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unions Are they good or bad? Are they flawed? Did the republicans kill them? How should they be changed?
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Mar 29, 2015 23:58
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I like them
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Mar 30, 2015 00:00
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I like them
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Mar 30, 2015 00:01
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Unions are great. So are pensions.
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Mar 30, 2015 00:01
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bad cause the y make job creators cry
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Mar 30, 2015 00:02
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Demonachizer posted:Unions are great. So are pensions.
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Mar 30, 2015 00:03
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Unionated States of America
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Mar 30, 2015 00:03
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i am in an union and they helped me a lot when claiming against my work for a workplace injury giving me free access to their lawyers. unions are good
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Mar 30, 2015 00:04
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unions dont want you to know that you can negotiate on your own for wages/workers rights
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Mar 30, 2015 00:05
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I think unions are good in the private sector and support them. I think they are bad in the public sector and oppose them. In the private sector, management and labor both have a seat at the negotiating table. In the public sector, (1) "management" is the elected officials, and (2) there is a third party - the taxpayers. Ostensibly they are represented by the elected officials. The problem is a SEVERE conflict of interest arises when those officials happen to be Democrats, who are heavily supported and funded by public employee unions. HTH OP
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Mar 30, 2015 00:09
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I have a union and a pension. They both own. If you have neither, your employer hates you.
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Mar 30, 2015 00:10
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Chris Christie posted:I think unions are good in the private sector and support them. holy christ you are retarded
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Mar 30, 2015 00:12
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A misanthrope posted:bad cause the y make job creators cry No, Misanthrope, that's onions. ITT it's talking about unions, which isn't pronounced "unn" at start of word. *sighs*
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Mar 30, 2015 00:14
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Like for most things, The Simpsons said it best:quote:One of these days we'll form a union, and get the fair and equitable treatment we deserve! Then we'll go too far, and become corrupt and shiftless, and the Japanese will eat us alive!
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Mar 30, 2015 00:18
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I'm pretty sure you can be legally killed on the streets for being a member of/discussing unions in most of America these days.
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Mar 30, 2015 00:19
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Cymoril posted:I have a union and a pension. They both own. If you have neither, your employer hates you.
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Mar 30, 2015 00:21
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:Like for most things, The Simpsons said it best: That's actually wrong for a lot of reasons, mainly that no one was forcing automakers to build lovely cars no one wanted in the 1980s.
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Mar 30, 2015 00:30
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Rand alPaul posted:That's actually wrong for a lot of reasons, mainly that no one was forcing automakers to build lovely cars no one wanted in the 1980s. Don't you ever say the simpsons was wrong. I'll fight you
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Mar 30, 2015 00:31
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Rand alPaul posted:That's actually wrong for a lot of reasons, mainly that no one was forcing automakers to build lovely cars no one wanted in the 1980s. One of my friends was a doctor at GM in the 90s and he tells me all kinds of the stories about people faking injuries to get out of work and the UAW would try to make him diagnose them with things they didn't have so they could get paid leave. Also, he tells me stories about UAW guys would take a month off of work to get "alcohol treatment" - which of course was paid for - even when they didn't have alcohol problems. Edit: Basically what I am saying is that the UAW is corrupt and its workers are largely lazy entitled little shits.
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Mar 30, 2015 00:34
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:One of my friends was a doctor at GM in the 90s and he tells me all kinds of the stories about people faking injuries to get out of work and the UAW would try to make him diagnose them with things they didn't have so they could get paid leave. unions rule
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Mar 30, 2015 00:35
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:Also, he tells me stories about UAW guys would take a month off of work to get "alcohol treatment" - which of course was paid for - even when they didn't have alcohol problems. lol no, have you been MI? Every single man, woman, and child there needs alcohol treatment.
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Mar 30, 2015 00:36
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Chris Christie posted:I think unions are good in the private sector and support them. In the private sector, (1) "management" (Board of Directors) are elected officials and (2) there is a third party - the Stock Holders. Ostensibly they are represented by the Board of Directors. The problem is a SEVERE conflict of interest. Paying workers decent wages and not treating them like poo poo slows down how quickly the Management can loot the company. Xae fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 00:39
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Dead Gay Romans posted:lol no, have you been MI? Every single man, woman, and child there needs alcohol treatment. Maybe, but these guys would go to this one particular real swanky resort treatment place that was of course sanctioned by the UAW and treat it like a paid vacation (in addition to their other ample paid vacation time). They would do this once a year like clockwork, as that's what the UAW contract provided for.
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Mar 30, 2015 00:43
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:Maybe, but these guys would go to this one particular real swanky resort treatment place that was of course sanctioned by the UAW and treat it like a paid vacation (in addition to their other ample paid vacation time). They would do this once a year like clockwork, as that's what the UAW contract provided for. you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Mar 30, 2015 00:45
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:you have no idea what you're talking about. yea Izzy is an idiot you should not engage
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Mar 30, 2015 00:50
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i think all the unions should join together into one big union and go on strike until the capitalists agree to give up and stop being rich
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Mar 30, 2015 00:51
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Rutibex posted:i think all the unions should join together into one big union and go on strike until the capitalists agree to give up and stop being rich This except they should give all their money to me.
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Mar 30, 2015 01:06
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:Maybe, but these guys would go to this one particular real swanky resort treatment place that was of course sanctioned by the UAW and treat it like a paid vacation (in addition to their other ample paid vacation time). They would do this once a year like clockwork, as that's what the UAW contract provided for. thanks for the ancedotal evidence. there is totally no concrete proof that big business is corrupt and evil and trying to gently caress their workers over
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Mar 30, 2015 01:11
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the union forever
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Mar 30, 2015 01:15
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Xae posted:In the private sector, (1) "management" (Board of Directors) are elected officials and (2) there is a third party - the Stock Holders. Ostensibly they are represented by the Board of Directors. The problem is a SEVERE conflict of interest. Paying workers decent wages and not treating them like poo poo slows down how quickly the Management can loot the company. it works fine as long as the federal government doesnt bail out these bozos after the idiot management and the corrupt union jointly run the company into the ground
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Mar 30, 2015 01:15
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LegoPirateNinja posted:it works fine as long as the federal government doesnt bail out these bozos after they run the company into the ground pretty sure you have some of that backwards
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Mar 30, 2015 01:16
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IzzyFnStradlin posted:Maybe, but these guys would go to this one particular real swanky resort treatment place that was of course sanctioned by the UAW and treat it like a paid vacation (in addition to their other ample paid vacation time). They would do this once a year like clockwork, as that's what the UAW contract provided for. Even if this is true, I'm not seeing how it's a bad thing. You can't really blame the unions for the lovely cars GM made.
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Mar 30, 2015 01:18
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If unions are so good, why won't the government or at least the Democrats unionize everyone working under them? Makes you think.
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Mar 30, 2015 01:22
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As a worker they help me. I make wayyyyy more money and have many more benefits than a non union worker with the same job. Though it does create a slightly 'stricter' workplace.
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Mar 30, 2015 01:23
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Scalding Coffee posted:If unions are so good, why won't the government or at least the Democrats unionize everyone working under them? Makes you think. like 40 percent of govt workers are union and that's a much higher percentage than anywhere else hth
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Mar 30, 2015 01:24
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Blue Train posted:yea Izzy is an idiot you should not engage smarter than you, that's for sure.
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Mar 30, 2015 01:25
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Jesustheastronaut! posted:As a worker they help me. I make wayyyyy more money and have many more benefits than a non union worker with the same job. Though it does create a slightly 'stricter' workplace. you wouldn't be making poo poo if unions never existed though. IzzyFnStradlin posted:smarter than you, that's for sure.
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Mar 30, 2015 01:26
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I don't like unions but if I was in one I would think they're p cool
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Mar 30, 2015 01:28
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I'm in the only union at our company, watching every other department get slashed by layoffs despite consistently good profits and corporate execs coming and going with multi-million dollar retirements.Demonachizer posted:Unions are great. So are pensions.
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Mar 30, 2015 01:33
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Chris Christie posted:I think unions are good in the private sector and support them. I too think workers should have rights unless of course they are my workers. IzzyFnStradlin posted:One of my friends was a doctor at GM in the 90s and he tells me all kinds of the stories about people faking injuries to get out of work and the UAW would try to make him diagnose them with things they didn't have so they could get paid leave. People with jobs having fake medical complaints in order to work less oh gee sounds like a union problem somehow. raton fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Mar 30, 2015 |
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Mar 30, 2015 01:36
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