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There is a UFC this weekend, make sure you get your Goonweight picks in: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3702701&pagenumber=2#post443426809
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Apr 2, 2015 17:42
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It's really sad that the UFC is basically ignoring Robbie and Rory despite them being there the whole way with Conor and Aldo
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Apr 2, 2015 17:43
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they were only on 2 or 3 days of the media tour
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Apr 2, 2015 17:44
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canoshiz posted:It's really sad that the UFC is basically ignoring Robbie and Rory despite them being there the whole way with Conor and Aldo the fight is in July I'm sure they'll get love closer to the event
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Apr 2, 2015 17:45
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Trast posted:Aldo versus Conor is certainly going to be interesting. I just wish the UFC remembered it had other fights to promote. There are some really fantastic fights coming up that aren't getting any press at all. And don't just say they don't need to be sold because every fight needs promoting.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:46
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EvanSchenck posted:He was smart to do so, Frankie is one of the worst foils to a strategy based on leg kicks (Weidman is the very worst)--outstanding wrestling technique, great timing and quickness, and freakishly good at catching kicks. For comparison, Conor is an Irish striker who always uses a bladed stance with a wide base, meaning he's pretty much no threat to wrestle on Aldo and his lead leg is going to be in Aldo's wheelhouse the whole fight. a good comparable for this would be rory/saffiedine. rory narrowed and squared (relatively) his stance to force saffiedine to get closer when he kicked. he still had a pretty side on stance, and didn't check many kicks, but he was able to use forward pressure to limit saffiedine's ability to throw kicks
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Apr 2, 2015 17:50
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i mean conor throws very few jabs generally, but he does really good with getting in close and pressuring his opponent into engaging him in boxing range, and that's where he excels
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Apr 2, 2015 17:51
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david carmichael posted:a good comparable for this would be rory/saffiedine. rory narrowed and squared (relatively) his stance to force saffiedine to get closer when he kicked. he still had a pretty side on stance, and didn't check many kicks, but he was able to use forward pressure to limit saffiedine's ability to throw kicks I recall one of Rory's ways of shutting down Saffiedine's leg kicks was to throw a bunch of his own.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:53
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after all this theorizing I'm going to be very upset when Aldo obliterates Conor in two minutes.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:53
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Sprecherscrow posted:I recall one of Rory's ways of shutting down Saffiedine's leg kicks was to throw a bunch of his own.
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Apr 2, 2015 17:57
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david carmichael posted:i mean conor throws very few jabs generally, but he does really good with getting in close and pressuring his opponent into engaging him in boxing range, and that's where he excels His opponents have also been really bad and willing to exchange punches even when they shouldn't.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:10
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Tezcatlipoca posted:His opponents have also been really bad and willing to exchange punches even when they shouldn't. I think it's unfair to call his opponents bad except maybe Marcus Brimage and Diego Brandao(and even then...), but their skillsets just simply didn't allow for anything else. I guess Poirier could have theoretically taken him down and submitted him like he did when he was getting lit up by Max Holloway.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:19
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oh yeah big time. his most impressive win so far was saying "poirier covers up and doesn't move" and poirier was like "i'll show you who covers up and doesn't move" and then poirier covered up and didn't move and got knocked out.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:21
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Ditch posted:The next PPV is going to bomb massively no matter what they do (and it's several weeks away yet). After that there isn't a PPV until late May. No real opportunity loss here. Losing Dillashaw's fight is a big deal and will hurt the buys. But it is criminal that the UFC doesn't do more to promote a cool fighter like Mighty Mouse. Mendes vs Lamas and Machida vs Rockhold are also two very cool headliners on cable that would be great for getting casual fans to stick around for more UFC if they bothered to promote them.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:24
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I was listening to Chael's latest podcast and former WWE writer John Piermarini had this bit of ridiculous logic: If a guy gets hurt and pulls out of a fight, for example, TJ Dillashaw and his hurt ribs, that guy should have a DQ loss and in TJ's case, Barao should get the belt. 
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Apr 2, 2015 18:27
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Brandao isn't very good but he's legitimately dangerous until he inevitably gasses, and Holloway is much better then people give him credit for
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Apr 2, 2015 18:29
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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Trast posted:Losing Dillashaw's fight is a big deal and will hurt the buys. But it is criminal that the UFC doesn't do more to promote a cool fighter like Mighty Mouse. Mendes vs Lamas and Machida vs Rockhold are also two very cool headliners on cable that would be great for getting casual fans to stick around for more UFC if they bothered to promote them. The free shows exist to promote themselves. You use free TV to build up people and hype fights (and make a little Fox money.) There is no real financial incentive to promote a TV show that will max out at around a million dollar gate, you are just wasting money. There will be a Countdown for the Fox show on Fox like there always is, press conferences, conference calls, etc. You do a worldwide press conference tour for something you expect to be giant and that is anchoring a full weekend of fight cards you need to sell. They need people flying in from all over the world to justify the ticket prices they are going to charge for this show. I'm guessing tickets will be scaled for a 7 million dollar gate. There's money to be made there. Mendes vs Lamas is on free TV in the afternoon, there's no money there. It's time filler FS1 wanted. Machida vs Rockhold is on network TV, that kind of viewership is the promotion. That's why they have the deal for exposure.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:31
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I have no idea what I'd do to promote Mighty Mouse right now. He needs to travel back in time and do a TUF season back when people cared about TUF seasons. Edit: And it'd have to be against GSP. Edit2: And you should get prizes for watching.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:32
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Dangersim posted:Brandao isn't very good but he's legitimately dangerous until he inevitably gasses, and Holloway is much better than people give him credit for Brandao is only legitimately dangerous against other bad fighters. Holloway has improved a lot but at that time it was a stretch calling him a good fighter. He did get thoroughly outwrestled by a one-legged Irishman after all.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:36
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I have no idea what I'd do to promote Mighty Mouse right now. He needs to travel back in time and do a TUF season back when people cared about TUF seasons. He should ask his mom to buy him a leather jacket and shades, then he can get some bad boy rep
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Apr 2, 2015 18:39
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MassRafTer posted:The free shows exist to promote themselves. You use free TV to build up people and hype fights (and make a little Fox money.) There is no real financial incentive to promote a TV show that will max out at around a million dollar gate, you are just wasting money. There will be a Countdown for the Fox show on Fox like there always is, press conferences, conference calls, etc. You do a worldwide press conference tour for something you expect to be giant and that is anchoring a full weekend of fight cards you need to sell. They need people flying in from all over the world to justify the ticket prices they are going to charge for this show. I'm guessing tickets will be scaled for a 7 million dollar gate. There's money to be made there. Mendes vs Lamas is on free TV in the afternoon, there's no money there. It's time filler FS1 wanted. Machida vs Rockhold is on network TV, that kind of viewership is the promotion. That's why they have the deal for exposure. That is a fair enough point. Still there is that complaint that the UFC doesn't have enough stars. Plus with cable, netflix, and other distractions there is a lot of competition for eyeballs out there. Putting more effort into promoting other fighters might eventually lead to bigger PPV numbers down the road. There are a lot of entertaining fighters who weren't born self promotion machines like Chael or Conor.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:41
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Doesn't DJ pull pretty good numbers on TV? Am I making that up?
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Apr 2, 2015 18:43
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Dangersim posted:Brandao isn't very good but he's legitimately dangerous until he inevitably gasses, and Holloway is much better then people give him credit for holloway showed a lot of patience and restraint against mcgregor, and did a good job of not rushing in and trying to swarm into a clinch. mcgregor's first takedown came off a caught kick, iirc
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Apr 2, 2015 18:48
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Trast posted:That is a fair enough point. Still there is that complaint that the UFC doesn't have enough stars. Plus with cable, netflix, and other distractions there is a lot of competition for eyeballs out there. Putting more effort into promoting other fighters might eventually lead to bigger PPV numbers down the road. There are a lot of entertaining fighters who weren't born self promotion machines like Chael or Conor. They just did three straight big PPVs. When they get fights they can promote they promote the hell out of them. When they get new stars they promote the hell out of them. Daniel Cormier became a true star in the last year. Look what they are doing with Conor, that's the definition of making a new star. They will promote the hell out of Rumble leading up to the Jones card and were trying their hardest with Pettis. They have been trying with Rory for awhile. They put Mighty Mouse on several Fox shows to try to do just that.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:48
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EmmyOk posted:He should ask his mom to buy him a leather jacket and shades, then he can get some bad boy rep 
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Apr 2, 2015 18:48
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anyways, there's been a lot of focus on aldo's leg kicks, but i really think his hands are a much better and more important weapon for him
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Apr 2, 2015 18:49
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Tezcatlipoca posted:ftfy I think that speaks to McGregor's toughness moreso than Holloway.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:50
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Tezcatlipoca posted:ftfy Conor is not good because he's only beaten bad fighters. Max Holloway is good. No, wait, he can't be, he lost to Conor McGregor.
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Apr 2, 2015 18:51
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outy posted:Conor is not good because he's only beaten bad fighters. Saying McGregor has had favorable style matchups is not the same as saying he is a bad fighter. Saying Max Holloway is better now than when he fought McGregor is not the same as saying he is bad because he lost to McGregor.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:04
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Max Holloway is underrated. Doesn't have to mean he's "good", but I would say all signs are positive on that front right now. Especially if he sustains his current run. He's accomplished just as much as Conor has since Conor beat him in my opinion and if Conor was just another guy that would be a decent rematch right now. Edit: In fact I think a Max/Conor title eliminator would've been perfect right about now. There I said it. 
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Apr 2, 2015 19:05
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david carmichael posted:anyways, there's been a lot of focus on aldo's leg kicks, but i really think his hands are a much better and more important weapon for him I think it's hard to compartmentalize like that because when Aldo throws in combination it's almost always combinations of both punches and kicks. In particular his leg kick -> left hook to the body and vice versa is really swank.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:09
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He was throwing really good pure hand combos against Mendes iirc. It used to be he didn't really have a jab but now he has a terrific one.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:21
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Yeah, there's not a lot that Aldo isn't good at at this point. I guess we can't make broad statements about his game off of his back, but we haven't really needed to because nobody can stop him from popping right back up from takedowns. I used to cheer against Aldo because Wisconsinites are pathologically compelled to root for underdogs, but at this point I just look forward to his fights because you know you're going to see insanely cool fighting from one of the participants. What fights have we seen Aldo do a lot of clinch fighting in, I can remember how he is there.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:33
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:What fights have we seen Aldo do a lot of clinch fighting in, I can remember how he is there. It's been a while since I've sat down and watched Aldo fights (I should do that, they're usually good) but my recollection is that he hasn't ever really been interested in fighting from the clinch as opposed to disengaging, and nobody's really been able to force him to do so.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:41
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He wrestled TKZ against the fence for a while after he broke his foot
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Apr 2, 2015 19:41
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He spent a lot of time in the clinch with Florian too.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:43
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Zzulu posted:its kind of ridiculous how small of a HW Cain is. That's middleweight luke Rockhold he's sparring with HW has always been ruled by fat middle and LHWs. Fedor, Cain, Couture, Bas Rutten, Randleman, Crocop Have there been any great truly HW champs? Brock and Carwin I guess? They didn't last long enough to see if they were all time greats. Tim Sylvia was a true HW but not a great one. Fozzy The Bear fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 19:54
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Fozzy The Bear posted:HW has always been ruled by fat middle and LHWs. Fedor, Cain, Couture, Bas Rutten, Randleman, Crocop Brock is still tied for the most defenses of the heavyweight belt to date, so there's that.  Cain Velasquez
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Apr 2, 2015 19:58
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JDS sorta. I mean he got crushed by Cain in 2 & 3 but prior to that yeah.
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Apr 2, 2015 20:02
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JDS could probably make 205 without much trouble either. He's not particularly big at all.
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Apr 2, 2015 20:09
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