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Anatharon posted:Undead was kinda OP.
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randomly pairing people up 2v2 is going to be just as lopsided as 1v1s, it's very easy to divide & conquer in this game unless you're playing 4v4 and then it's very easy to just do goofy poo poo and win because you know the game mechanics better than anybody else sure getting more people involved will probably be more fun but let's not pretend it's going to change who would progress through the tournament
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Apr 2, 2015 05:29
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Endorph posted:You wouldn't say that if you'd played Undead vs Orc. Comparing other races to Orc isn't remotely fair. Imagine that picture of 2 pokemon and a GEP gun except with undead/night elf and Orc. Humans are sitting in the sad corner. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 05:34
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A collection of big FFAs (12 players?!?) would be sweet. If we get more than 12 players then we can do a FFA bracket where the last 3 or 4 survivors progress into the next round. FFAs are still fun even with skill differential 'cause if there's a gosu in the henhouse then all the noobs can team up together to try and take her down. Note that the only balanced 12 player FFA map is "divide & conquer taverns" available here
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Apr 2, 2015 07:58
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Anatharon posted:Humans are sitting in the sad corner. In another lifetime when I gave a gently caress about warcraft 3 meta undead was pretty bad and humans were pretty awesome because they had a bunch of aoe heroes and slow/priests why are they bad?
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Apr 2, 2015 10:19
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I got on and tried to search 3v3, we did not find a match. Thats my war 3 story. 
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Apr 2, 2015 12:15
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darealkooky posted:In another lifetime when I gave a gently caress about warcraft 3 meta undead was pretty bad and humans were pretty awesome because they had a bunch of aoe heroes and slow/priests Humans' main problem is that their early game is pretty bad compared to the other races'. Their heroes in particular are pretty bad early on so if there isn't a tavern on the map to get a Tinker or Firelord or what have you, fast expanding (which is a big deal to Humans) is really risky. Ivory towers and mini town halls in TFT helped though. Just as an example compare Paladins to Shadow Hunters, Death Knights and Keepers of the Grove. Paladin Vs. Death Knight Death Knight stats are either identical or better vs. Paladin's (they have like 2 less armor for 50 more move speed) Holy Light is better for healing than Death Coil is but Death Coil is a better nuke so call it even Unholy Aura is ridiculously good Death Pact killing a unit isn't an issue because ghouls are cheap in a pinch and the rod of necromancy summons 2 skeletons Animate Dead is basically straight up better than Resurrection. Humans' strength is in their spellcasters and air units but air units are really easy to counter. Priests and Sorceresses are just really good in general though. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 15:48
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Here's an idea: run kitty run, or uther party
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Apr 2, 2015 16:05
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THE PENETRATOR posted:Here's an idea: run kitty run, or uther party These kind of maps were the reason why I spent 99% of my WC3 time on custom games. Well that, and I sucked at RTS's in general with my only tried and true strategy of turtling up as humans.
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Apr 2, 2015 16:27
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Anatharon posted:Humans' main problem is that their early game is pretty bad compared to the other races'. Their heroes in particular are pretty bad early on so if there isn't a tavern on the map to get a Tinker or Firelord or what have you, fast expanding (which is a big deal to Humans) is really risky. Ivory towers and mini town halls in TFT helped though. human tri hero is infinitely better than undead in hu vs ud and still really good vs other races (although firelord/beastmaster is a very strong second hero for a tier 2 timing sorc/tower push against orc/elf) human's strength is in their versatility. militia creeping and fast building are insanely strong, as are every hero and caster you could want because of brilliance aura. yeah blademaster and demon hunter are probably too strong, but i think human is the strongest race aside from those two "broken" heroes edit: undead is universally known as the weakest 1v1 race
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Apr 2, 2015 17:12
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Endorph posted:You wouldn't say that if you'd played Undead vs Orc. rofl the undead vs orc 1v1 Anatharon posted:Humans' main problem is that their early game is pretty bad compared to the other races'. Their heroes in particular are pretty bad early on so if there isn't a tavern on the map to get a Tinker or Firelord or what have you, fast expanding (which is a big deal to Humans) is really risky. Ivory towers and mini town halls in TFT helped though. Dude do you even know what you're talking about - Humans had easily the strongest opening in TFT ladder on any non-poison map barring moon levels of night elf control. Cheap farms on top of militia movespeed meant you had a scout advantage over almost anyone too. I mean if by weak early game you mean a blademaster can ruin a bad human player's day sure but FE strats are so hard for anyone to stop. Road to Stratholme and Terenas Stand were basically perfect for fast expands. Archmage is also like, a key hero to fast expanding because the water elementals are there to tank for your militia. I'm pretty sure Lost Temple (the main ladder map w/out a tavern) race winrates were Human > Orc > UD = NE Zoness fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 17:25
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i played me some undead and lemme tell you, i cried me some tears into lord deathstrom's muscular arms
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Apr 2, 2015 17:28
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Endorph posted:i played me some undead and lemme tell you, i cried me some tears into lord deathstrom's muscular arms if I ever made it to tier 2 as UD vs Orc I made sure to bm him constantly because he was probably not using his bm properly! tier 3 was the dream though Granted if you made it to tier 3 you were probably playing against an orc that didn't know how to use any of his units. Anatharon posted:Humans' strength is in their spellcasters and air units but air units are really easy to counter. Priests and Sorceresses are just really good in general though. Also priests are mediocre, sorceresses are great, siege engines are the best. The greatest strength for humans was their ability to fast expand and then transition to any kind of counter unit. Zoness fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 17:29
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if i ever made it to tier 3 against an orc i made sure to ask them if they'd had a heart attack and died then again a cold corpse could win that matchup
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Apr 2, 2015 17:34
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anyway i'd prob try to reinstall to play but only for 1v1's if it's ladder and goddamn i'm rusty w/ footman surrounds w/out a mountain king uther party would be a good way to do it, 4v4's is too dumb on map selection (and undead is legit ridiculous on 4v4's because of skelly rods), and i have a hard time remembering 2v2 and 3v3 ladder as anything but a crapshoot (if you get a guy that says "they'll tech" it's time to just call it a loss or hope someone's equally dumb on the other team) alternatively joke 3v3 tournament w/ highperch as the only map. Zoness fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 17:41
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a tournament where the conditions, map, and game mode are random every round
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Apr 2, 2015 17:45
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round 1: 1v1 ladder round 2: all the winners play uther party, two in last place are eliminated round 3: dota round 4: 2v2 ladder round 5: dbz tribute
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Apr 2, 2015 17:46
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Endorph posted:round 1: 1v1 ladder only if it's dota 5.84b w/ no hamachi / private server / reconnect support
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Apr 2, 2015 17:48
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Zoness posted:anyway i'd prob try to reinstall to play but only for 1v1's if it's ladder and goddamn i'm rusty w/ footman surrounds w/out a mountain king I feel like it would be more interesting to watch team games where some people are just terrible and their team mates are desperately trying to make up for it, rather than watching a bunch of pointless 1v1 massacres followed by maybe one or two matches that are slightly competitive. Also, anyone who doesn't know warcraft 3 well enough to remember the ladder metagame is now so intimidated by the discussion in this thread that there's no way they'll want to sign up for 1v1s. Although it doesn't really seem like anyone is interested anyway, as far as I can tell there are a few people who acknowledge having Warcraft 3 but only myself and the penetrator have actually said we'd play.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:13
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Adam Bowen posted:I feel like it would be more interesting to watch team games where some people are just terrible and their team mates are desperately trying to make up for it, rather than watching a bunch of pointless 1v1 massacres followed by maybe one or two matches that are slightly competitive. Also, anyone who doesn't know warcraft 3 well enough to remember the ladder metagame is now so intimidated by the discussion in this thread that there's no way they'll want to sign up for 1v1s. I can't help it, someone stated as fact that UD was the best race and Humans the worst. I mean let's be honest NA ladder was a crapshoot in matchup quality even in its heyday and the best matchup ever is the night elf mirror.
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Apr 2, 2015 19:17
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But the best race is Undead because Arthas is dreamy
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Apr 2, 2015 19:21
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I won't deny that UD was fun to play until you ran into a guy that knew how to kill acolytes
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Apr 2, 2015 19:23
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Endorph posted:You wouldn't say that if you'd played Undead vs Orc. If I remember right Blademaster could straight up solo most undead armies, and lord help you if that Blademaster got anywhere near your Acolytes
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Apr 2, 2015 20:20
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it's cool ud can just make a frost tower and only lose like half of their workers instead of all of them or you can spend a ton of money early on to wall off your workers in farms and then lose because you have no units
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Apr 2, 2015 20:25
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Adam Bowen posted:Also, anyone who doesn't know warcraft 3 well enough to remember the ladder metagame is now so intimidated by the discussion in this thread that there's no way they'll want to sign up for 1v1s. I am intimidated but I will play Depending on how the scheduling works out though I might have to play on my laptop. Game isn't installed on my desktop and the disks are at my dad's house.
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Apr 2, 2015 20:26
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You don't need the discs anymore, register the CD key to your battle.net account instead.
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Apr 2, 2015 21:02
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I will play and lose to nerds and uproot my buildings for the war effort
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Apr 2, 2015 21:56
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Adam Bowen posted:You don't need the discs anymore, register the CD key to your battle.net account instead. Yeah but like the CD key is with the CDs you know
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Apr 2, 2015 22:07
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ninjewtsu posted:Yeah but like the CD key is with the CDs you know Get your dad to fax it over
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Apr 2, 2015 22:12
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ninjewtsu posted:Yeah but like the CD key is with the CDs you know ur dad not have a cellphone u technologically impaired bitch?
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Zoness posted:Dude do you even know what you're talking about - I was probably just below or above the level of play you're talking about.  Man I miss Warcraft 3. Anyways if anyone wants to play some war 3 before this add me on steam (steamcommunity.com/id/ItsSafeNow) Adam Bowen posted:Although it doesn't really seem like anyone is interested anyway, as far as I can tell there are a few people who acknowledge having Warcraft 3 but only myself and the penetrator have actually said we'd play. I will play. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Apr 2, 2015 |
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Apr 2, 2015 22:33
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i havent played in a while but I WILL TRY
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Apr 2, 2015 22:48
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count me in
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Apr 3, 2015 00:25
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I'm ALL in for a WC3 tourney, never won one on bnet before though I came close a few times =)
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Apr 3, 2015 00:57
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sign me up if it's for real games. if it's for dota or castle fight or whatever maybe don't sign me up
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Apr 3, 2015 01:04
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Uther Party or bust.
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Apr 3, 2015 01:08
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I'll take you all on Uther party!
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Apr 3, 2015 03:09
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I haven't played this poo poo in years. And never versus real people. Depending on scheduling, I'm down for this poo poo.
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Apr 3, 2015 06:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXgr6SYYNZM
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"I'll distract the enemy with my human call: I'm so wasted! I'm so wasted!" - night elf dryad
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