tatankatonk posted:Which Path is which Game of Thrones Character? Trick question, they're all Obrimoi, because Game of Thrones is bad. But anyways, why don't we fill the gap in post three with something dumb but conceivably helpful- sources of potential inspiration for games. I'll start: Hunter - Taxi Driver
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Effectronica posted:But anyways, why don't we fill the gap in post three with something dumb but conceivably helpful- sources of potential inspiration for games.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:13
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Werewolf: The Wir- no, wait, that's done to death! Ah, I know: Homicide, Life on the Street.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:13
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There was a giant post about how Mage starts with the Atlantis stuff because Gravity's Rainbow is too alienating, and ended with "TL;DR- Dr. Manhattan is an Archmage." It was the best explanation of how Mage is on a conceptual and thematic level above the rest of the World of Darkness.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:14
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Mulholland Drive is Mage as all hell.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:18
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"The Room" is an attempt to make a movie, by an elder vampire who has lost all touch with Humanity and modern culture. With the vampire in the starring role. 
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Apr 10, 2015 22:22
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The Wire's more of a Changeling show, anyway. Add some neon to Promethean and you get Drive. Nightcrawler's a perfect vampire movie, of course, but it's also a pretty good Hunter movie. It's a shame the Matrix came out in '99 and thus became connected to Ascension, because it's much, much more like Awakening.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:26
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Simian_Prime posted:"The Room" is an attempt to make a movie, by an elder vampire who has lost all touch with Humanity and modern culture. This doesn't wash because sadly, I can see Tommy Wiseau on film. He has a huge ego and mysterious, seemingly unlimited resources. He's a Seer.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:27
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quote:(in a pseudo street-rap staccato)
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Apr 10, 2015 22:28
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Vampire - The Prestige, There Will Be Blood Geist - Casino Royale (1967)
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Apr 10, 2015 22:30
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Se7en is a good look at what a non-supernatural WoD story should look like, as well as how to make a WoD setting in general.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:34
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:It's both, but the best part about that is that it's being surface-inclusive while being actual-super-racist. It's a win-win! Because on the one hand you get to say that Asians have two souls, but on the other, you can say that people from Japan and China and Korea and Indonesia and the Philippines and anywhere else are just interchangeable Asian. Which is something that hoooooo boy please say this around anyone's grandparents who grew up in any of those countries and report back. You loving dummy. Everyone in the oWoD has two souls.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:38
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Okay Mexcillent.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:41
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Mexcillent posted:You loving dummy. Everyone in the oWoD has two souls. But can we go beyond two souls?
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Apr 10, 2015 22:42
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Okay Mexcillent. Seriously, what do you think the Shadow and the Ego in Wraith is? Or do you like all the other dudes who post on this god awful thread just take a tiny bit of setting knowledge and extrapolate then post?
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Apr 10, 2015 22:43
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SunAndSpring posted:But can we go beyond two souls? Mage? idk
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Apr 10, 2015 22:44
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Mexcillent posted:Seriously, what do you think the Shadow and the Ego in Wraith is? Or do you like all the other dudes who post on this god awful thread just take a tiny bit of setting knowledge and extrapolate then post? Oh, word?
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Okay Mexcillent.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:45
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i'm a cool dude who knows many things about this stupid nerd thing then fails entirely
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Apr 10, 2015 22:46
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Mexcillent posted:i'm a cool dude who knows many things about this stupid nerd thing Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Okay Mexcillent.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Honestly Malcolm, I don't mean to single you out for the sins of The World-Spanning Stereotypes of The Great Cosmopolitan Luminaries of Stone Mountain, Georgia. But holy poo poo dude, if you're going to go to bat and advocate for a brand, you have to realize this one (by which I mean owod specifically, and even more specifically vast swaths of material written in the unwashed 90s) is...really, really not-great, a lot of the time, and no amount of personal involvement in its creation or rose-colored nostalgia is going to make it any less stupid or gross. I'm hardly the guy standing up for everything (and I wasn't even working for WW in the 90s) but I don't really think of the World of Darkness as a brand because that's never been my job. Gypsies was bad. I think the not-quite-a-swastika symbol and racism in earlier treatments of the Get of Fenris is bad. (Fun fact: A white supremacist tried to kill me in the 90s and I had to get plastic surgery to fix my face, so those kinds of things are for-real triggery for me.) I think lots of stuff was poorly done. But a lot of it wasn't, and the people I worked with weren't bad, shortsighted or ill-educated people. So I think making GBS threads on a whole game line for a handful of clumsy misfires, and saying that anybody who wants to play them with you might be a bad person, is over the top.
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MalcolmSheppard posted:I'm hardly the guy standing up for everything (and I wasn't even working for WW in the 90s) but I don't really think of the World of Darkness as a brand because that's never been my job. Gypsies was bad. I think the not-quite-a-swastika symbol and racism in earlier treatments of the Get of Fenris is bad. (Fun fact: A white supremacist tried to kill me in the 90s and I had to get plastic surgery to fix my face, so those kinds of things are for-real triggery for me.) I think lots of stuff was poorly done. But a lot of it wasn't, and the people I worked with weren't bad, shortsighted or ill-educated people. So I think making GBS threads on a whole game line for a handful of clumsy misfires, and saying that anybody who wants to play them with you might be a bad person, is over the top. I, personally, feel that it's really easy to go from "laughing at" to "condemnation of", and agree with you wholeheartedly on that.
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Tulul posted:It's a shame the Matrix came out in '99 and thus became connected to Ascension, because it's much, much more like Awakening. Metaphysically, it's Awakening all the way. But dressing funny and raiding MiB bases is Ascension all the way.
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Apr 10, 2015 22:57
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I wrote this about Vampire: the Masquerade awhile back, might as well repost it here. Shadow of the Vampire features John Malkovitch as F.W. Murnau, following him as he makes his unauthorized adaptation of Dracula, Nosferatu. Looking to make his film as realistic as possible, Murnau goes out and finds himself a real vampire, Max Schreck, played by Willem Dafoe. But Schreck’s been away from his humanity too long, and his self-control isn’t what it might be. If you’ve ever wanted to see a low-Humanity vampire struggling to interact with human beings, this film’s got you covered. If you’re in the mood for some violence and one of the best vampire movies out there, check out Near Dark, with Bill Paxton, Lance Henrikson, and Jeanette Goldstein all fresh from appearing in Aliens. A traveling pack of vicious vampires roams the American Southwest in a succession of stolen vehicles, committing a string of murders while trying to integrate their newest recruit. The ending’s a bit of a copout, but if you’d like to see a nomadic Sabbat pack at work, you might as well go to one of the primary inspirations for the Sabbat. I think it gets called out in one of the tabletop books, but The Godfather is the Vampire: the Masquerade movie. That scene at the very beginning, with the singing and dancing and partying of the wedding going on outside while behind closed doors potentially deadly business is being transacted? That's a Camarilla gathering if I've ever seen one. And the whole rest of the film? It's about an underworld of hierarchical secret organizations of people who covertly influence society and occasionally kill and die over their position in it. It's about loyalty and betrayal, about love and hate, and about wanting to do the right thing but being steered by forces not entirely within your control but not entirely out of your control either. See it because The Godfather is Vampire as all get out, or just see it because it's one of the best films of all time. Blade does something that's a staple of Masquerade but which doesn't show up in a lot of vampire movies- the notion of the vampire Illuminati, pulling strings behind the scenes. Boardrooms of pale men who don't remember mortality versus a group of young, cosmopolitan vampires who want to overthrow them in the name of a dark god? Archives of information hidden behind innocent fronts? Human beings sworn to the service of vampires in hopes of being turned? A secret vampire mythology complete with its own system of prophecies? drat, yes. Not all vampires live in boardrooms and move effortlessly among the kine- some just struggle to get by. Night Junkies is the Thin-Blood experience in a nutshell, as a desperate vampire moves through some grimy, incredibly seedy parts of London’s underbelly while beginning to suspect that the serial killer stalking London is him. For most of the Kindred, the Embrace comes with some pretty significant bonuses- sure, you’re losing a lot, but you’re also gaining quite a bit. For the desperate Thin-Blooded, well, not so much. I can hear you laughing already, but watch a few episodes of Downton Abbey and check out the way the post-Edwardian class structure is acted out and enforced both by the Crawleys and their fellow aristocrats upstairs and the servants below. It’s not just the aristocrats enforcing the class structure- some of the servants are as ardent supporters of it as their counterparts upstairs could ever be. Replace “aristocrats” with “Elders” and “servants” with “neonates and ancilla” and you’ve got the social structure the Camarilla tries to enforce- one in which the younger Kindred are respectful, subservient, and know their place. Lost Boys is one of those instant classics. I’ve heard people say it’s the Sabbat, I’ve seen people say it’s a gang of Brujah. Maybe it’s just about the fear of watching your kids grow up into somebody other than who you tried to raise. Heck, maybe it’s just a reminder that hunters are out there and if your characters aren’t careful, it’s not just their own necks they’re risking. And if nothing else, it’s got “Cry Little Sister”, so that’s good, too. Se7en has no overtly supernatural elements, but every last inch of it captures the feel of the World of Darkness. The world is grey and ugly, full of people who are sick inside and out, and the only man with a solution for it is himself a violent, vicious serial killer. What sort of horrors does the awfulness of living in the World of Darkness spawn in your game? In your city? In your character? Hmm, since I wrote that I saw this interview with MRH where he talks about how seeing The Lost Boys with Stewart Wieck was the original inspiration for V:tM. Also a bunch of the players in my LARP are undergrads whose reference pools are significantly later than mine; I referenced Interview With the Vampire while talking a player through deciding how her character felt about Humanity, saying that Lestat and Louis are effective illustrations of two very different approaches, and discovered she hadn't heard of it. So I guess no matter how obvious it sounds, that's a good one, too.
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Do LARPers change the kind of characters they play as they get older? Do middle-aged LARPers, aware of their bodies starting to fail them, play middle managers and bureaucrats? Is there a group of 80 year olds somewhere live-action-roleplaying vampire elders, and enlisting the nerdiest of their grandchildren as their neonate henchmen?
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tatankatonk posted:Do LARPers change the kind of characters they play as they get older? Do middle-aged LARPers, aware of their bodies starting to fail them, play middle managers and bureaucrats? Is there a group of 80 year olds somewhere live-action-roleplaying vampire elders, and enlisting the nerdiest of their grandchildren as their neonate henchmen? The founder of the SCA, the biggest LARP group in the world, is 72 years old as of two months ago, but I dunno how active she is.
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tatankatonk posted:Do LARPers change the kind of characters they play as they get older? Do middle-aged LARPers, aware of their bodies starting to fail them, play middle managers and bureaucrats? Is there a group of 80 year olds somewhere live-action-roleplaying vampire elders, and enlisting the nerdiest of their grandchildren as their neonate henchmen? Lots of the hardcore MET LARP folks I knew who are now in their 40s do Nordic style games, but beyond wanting new experiences benefit from the fact that you don't have to show up weekly. I think a coterie of geriatric neonates all Embraced to preserve their talents sounds great.
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Mexcillent posted:You loving dummy. Everyone in the oWoD has two souls. Amenti don't. They've got five!
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Kindred: The Awakened  Although its a wierd mix between bram stoker and VtM
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Pope Guilty posted:I wrote this about Vampire: the Masquerade awhile back, might as well repost it here. This feels like it was cut/pasted from the beginning recommendations section of every Vampire corebook ever. I mean, it fits, but it's a little on the nose. It goes just short of recommending "Dracula." You might as well post the "Hey, what's a "role-playing game?" Shtick Simian_Prime fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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MalcolmSheppard posted:Lots of the hardcore MET LARP folks I knew who are now in their 40s do Nordic style games, but beyond wanting new experiences benefit from the fact that you don't have to show up weekly. Man, if I'm 80 something and LARPing, I don't have time to be a neonate. I might die at any second; I demand to be at least an Antediluvian.
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Can't you fools see how trying physical age to chargen is going to go? Larpers will be forcing their confused grandmas to make Methuselahs for backup! Apocalypse players will abduct real wolves and insist they're Lupus players! Entire families will be consumed in nerd drama!
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Sorry Nana, but I need to diablerize somebody if I'm going to get anywhere in this world
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Nordic-style LARPS, aka jeepform, are really cool experiences that qualify as role-playing games despite never granting XP and ignoring poo poo like health levels. They're not in the same building as any Strength + Punchskill - Dodgeability game.
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One of my favorite overlays for the Requiem Clans is actually the first season of the new Hannibal series. The main five characters represent those Clans without much need for interpretation at all. Will Graham (Mekhet) - He is able to understand the minds of others so well, that he constantly risks forgetting his own personality when confronted with the evidence of stronger personalities. After he's put on the FBI task force for serial killers, he is constantly faced with stronger personalities and walks the edge between becoming those personalities to better catch the culprit, and lingering as those personalities with their murderous leaning. Hannibal Lecter (Ventrue) - The exquisite and talented surgeon cum psychologist cum cannibal, Lechter epitomizes the mastery of self turned to the mastery of others. He sees himself as perfection, or at least the closest thing to it, and in his unique lonliness seeks to create others in his own image. He recasts his patients into killers themselves and takes Will on as a personal protege. For those that don't live up to his standard, he kills and devours himself, allowing them to at least be part of something better, and to not sully the world with their lack of quality. Jack Crawford (Nosferatu) - The gruff and brutal head of the FBI Behavioral Science unit who utilizes Graham and Hannibal both to round out his team. His relationships are always dark - pushing everyone around him to their breaking points. Of all the characters, he is the one without any sort of redeeming relationship. Everything ends in emotional or physical pain. The first of episode of season 2 sees Crawford in an excellent fight scene that I can't look at anything beyond his Vigor vs. his opponent's Resilience. Alana Bloom (Daeva) - The beautiful doctor and surrogate conscience for both Lecter and Graham, Bloom needs people desperately, while at the same time keeping them at arms length. At the end of the day, much like Jack, she never chooses the good option in a relationship. Given multiple chances to fix things or protect those around her, when faced with the loss of that companionship - she hesitates, and the consequences are both harsh and obvious. Garett Jacob Hobbs (Gangrel) - The first serial killer that the team unites to take down, Hobbs worships the hunt. All of his kills are based upon the analogy of the deer hunt, though the series heavily delves into differences between stalking and luring (hunters and fishers). When Graham is integral in the apprehension of Hobbs' capture and death, Hobbs becomes a recurring theme in Graham's altered personality. The nature of the hunt takes Graham on a new and darker journey against other serial killers, and eventually Lecter himself. The main conflict between Will Graham and Hannibal Lecter is literally the best thematic example of subtle Auspex vs. Dominate I've seen. As a bonus, I pretty much just replace 'Serial Killer' with 'Diablerist' to complete the Requiem overlay in my head.
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Mexcillent posted:You loving dummy. Everyone in the oWoD has two souls. This was the position they took later on, after someone pointed out how loving insane they were being - there was zero equivalency given initially, and they were presented as sharp, fundamental distinctions.
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What the gently caressBarbed Tongues posted:One of my favorite overlays for the Requiem Clans is actually the first season of the new Hannibal series. The main five characters represent those Clans without much need for interpretation at all. What the gently caress It's like I walked into Washington Post's foreign affairs coverage or something
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Since it's a new thread, and it was briefly in the 3rd post, can I ask - what is BvD ?
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Ambi posted:Since it's a new thread, and it was briefly in the 3rd post, can I ask - what is BvD ? A brand of men's underwear.
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