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Ambi posted:Since it's a new thread, and it was briefly in the 3rd post, can I ask - what is BvD ? It's somewhere between a South Park version of dogfighting and a less didactic version of the "rear end to rear end" scene from the end of Requiem for a Dream
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Crion posted:What the gently caress Perhaps I'm overthinking it. Or oversharing. Probably both. I like vampires.
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Effectronica posted:Trick question, they're all Obrimoi, because Game of Thrones is bad. Oh, you're dead, buddy. You're loving dead. But in the name of which referent?
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Loomer posted:This was the position they took later on, after someone pointed out how loving insane they were being - there was zero equivalency given initially, and they were presented as sharp, fundamental distinctions. The fact that the P'o is equivalent to the Shadow goes back to Dark Kingdom of Jade in 1995, predating KotE.
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MalcolmSheppard posted:The fact that the P'o is equivalent to the Shadow goes back to Dark Kingdom of Jade in 1995, predating KotE. DKoJ was a little less clear on equivalency, as I recall. EDIT: Having checked, it's as I remember. While functionally the same, the Hun and P'o are presented as fundamentally distinct souls while the shadow is an innate part of the unitary soul. Loomer fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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Loomer posted:DKoJ was a little less clear on equivalency, as I recall. If they're functionally the same, the rest is perspective. KotE has the Yin World too, which is "functionally the same" as the Shadowlands because it's the Shadowlands, even though it's presented differently.
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Ambi posted:Since it's a new thread, and it was briefly in the 3rd post, can I ask - what is BvD ? It's an abbreviation of "Baby versus Dog", referencing a dumb piece of chapter intro fiction from...I want to say Danse Macabre? One of the Vampire books. Where a ghouled baby fights a ghouled dog for the entertainment of jaded vampires, if it was unclear. tatankatonk fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Apr 11, 2015 |
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I think it was Damnation City. Which, incidentally, is the exact book where you can see nWoD turning the corner and deciding to stop doing that stuff quite so much, maybe put more thought into the implications of what it does. I wonder if you can pinpoint the exact page.
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Mors Rattus posted:I think it was Damnation City. Which, incidentally, is the exact book where you can see nWoD turning the corner and deciding to stop doing that stuff quite so much, maybe put more thought into the implications of what it does. I wonder if you can pinpoint the exact page. XX.
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The fluff and crunch divide in Damnation City is big enough to drive a truck through. You've got B vs. D and other 2edgy poo poo, and then you've got this absolutely fantastic city building toolkit in between it.
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MalcolmSheppard posted:If they're functionally the same, the rest is perspective. KotE has the Yin World too, which is "functionally the same" as the Shadowlands because it's the Shadowlands, even though it's presented differently. Except being treated as functionally the same for mechanical purposes does not equal being the same - if that was the case, there would be no actual difference between a Gift and a Discipline because they've both been used to represent the same things. DKoJ maintains a binary soul as opposed to the unitary soul of core Wraith of the same era, which is an important distinction that you're trying to gloss over. The PG, released the same year, has a similar distinction - Hun and P'o remain distinct from, if analogous, to the Psyche/Shadow. The divide was increasingly bridged over as things went, but it was there and distinct at the start.
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Damnation City is really cool. The sample Princes all manage to avoid cliches and the city-building stuff is useful if you don't really know about the place you've set your game in.
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tatankatonk posted:It's an abbreviation of "Baby versus Dog", referencing a dumb piece of chapter intro fiction from...I want to say Danse Macabre? One of the Vampire books. Where a ghouled baby fights a ghouled dog for the entertainment of jaded vampires, if it was unclear. The baby's actually a vampire - what in 2E would be a revenant. But yeah. Bloodsports for extremely bored ancillae.
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Also, I thought it was pretty clear that Kuei-Jin aren't the same sort of monster as western Kindred viewed through a cultural filter, they're Risen. As in the minor Crow-alike splat from Wraith. Wheras the African vampires are the same things as western Kindred given different names and social roles for the clans. Well, until DAV20, anyway.
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Mors Rattus posted:I think it was Damnation City. Which, incidentally, is the exact book where you can see nWoD turning the corner and deciding to stop doing that stuff quite so much, maybe put more thought into the implications of what it does. I wonder if you can pinpoint the exact page. Once Rose came on board as a writer (and later developer) Vampire really started to find its feet and make serious moves towards the eventual 2E. I doubt it was literally because of her presence, but it's a pretty reliable landmark for the start of the "1.5E"
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Kuei-jin aren't really Risen either, though. The Kuei sort of are, but the Kuei-jin are too distinct from both Cainites and Risen to be readily classed as either.
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So they're.. what, Raising Cane's?
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Cabbit posted:So they're.. what, Raising Cane's? Well you could make an argument that Vitae is a most addicting sauce...
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Dave Brookshaw posted:Also, I thought it was pretty clear that Kuei-Jin aren't the same sort of monster as western Kindred viewed through a cultural filter, they're Risen. As in the minor Crow-alike splat from Wraith. Wait, what did they do? Are all my V:tES Laibon decks invalid now?
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My GM refused to run a campaign with us before because we wanted to be werewolves who all worked at a fried chicken fast food restaurant. If only I had the WoD knowledge then, that I do now...
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MonsieurChoc posted:Wait, what did they do? Are all my V:tES Laibon decks invalid now? Introduced some new African bloodlines (and/or completely distinct creatures that happen to share the common traits of generation, etc): -the Bonsam, who consider themselves distinct from both the Laibon and Cainites and are either an Akunansae or Nosferatu offshoot, if not a wholly different kind. -The Impundulu, a Laibon lineage intimately linked with mortal Revenant magicians. -The Ramanga, Madagascar's Vampires who share obtenebration with the Lasombra.
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Loomer posted:Introduced some new African bloodlines (and/or completely distinct creatures that happen to share the common traits of generation, etc): Wait, that's new stuff, new stuff is cool! It's just, I actually liked the Laibon stuff and was afraid they'd unmade it.
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I just remembered this less than serious but still appropriate take on Awakening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WznBZhCFWWg
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Kavak posted:I just remembered this less than serious but still appropriate take on Awakening: I think you mean this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi_hcwB8i64
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Is that blog post about Beast: the Primordial that they were talking about up yet?
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Kavak posted:I just remembered this less than serious but still appropriate take on Awakening: Huh, I didn't realize he was using his first name now.
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Yawgmoth posted:Counterpoint: malcolm sheppard is a lovely writer, a lovely poster, & a lovely person and if he weren't credited in WW books he would have been banned long ago. Son of a bitch, I made all those free Etherwind posts when you had a goddamn alt all the time.
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Daeren posted:I think you mean this: Wasn't Mage best summed up by the dynamic between ICP's 'Miracles' (a radical Free Council/Silver Ladder collaboration) and Kanye/Jay-Z's 'Watch the Throne' (rich, powerful men producing Seer propaganda about how rich and powerful they are)?
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I think this sums up the Obrimos pretty well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouwCWDbBskU
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I'm possibly going to be playing a werewolf who deals with sea stuff soonish. Are there any decent merits or rules subsystems to look out for and anything to avoid?
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WINNERSH TRIANGLE posted:Wasn't Mage best summed up by the dynamic between ICP's 'Miracles' (a radical Free Council/Silver Ladder collaboration) and Kanye/Jay-Z's 'Watch the Throne' (rich, powerful men producing Seer propaganda about how rich and powerful they are)? While "Watch the Throne" is a good metaphor as a concept I still say the video for 'Power' is Peak Seers of the Throne http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE
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Loomer posted:Except being treated as functionally the same for mechanical purposes does not equal being the same - if that was the case, there would be no actual difference between a Gift and a Discipline because they've both been used to represent the same things. DKoJ maintains a binary soul as opposed to the unitary soul of core Wraith of the same era, which is an important distinction that you're trying to gloss over. The PG, released the same year, has a similar distinction - Hun and P'o remain distinct from, if analogous, to the Psyche/Shadow. The divide was increasingly bridged over as things went, but it was there and distinct at the start. Please stop holding the '90s Spooky Elfgame Council of Chalcedon. Hold the '90s Spooky Elfgames Council of Nicaea instead. Weaver, Wyrm, Wyld: three hypostases of one Gaian ousia? Let's fight.
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Gerund posted:Nordic-style LARPS, aka jeepform, are really cool experiences that qualify as role-playing games despite never granting XP and ignoring poo poo like health levels. They're not in the same building as any Strength + Punchskill - Dodgeability game. From a page back, but I wanted to point out that this doesn't actually explain a goddamn thing.
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Gilok posted:From a page back, but I wanted to point out that this doesn't actually explain a goddamn thing. Basically, they're live-action roleplaying "games" where there's as little elements of game-mechanics as possible. People just spend the LARP acting in character and maybe getting into foam-sword battles (If you're playing an expert swordsman, be good at foam-sword fighting!). Or something like that - the last time I participated in one I was eight years old and found the entire experience rather dull because I was the only child my age there. The most fun event I can remember was a Scottish-themed medieval LARP which was set up around a tournament between different clans. There were duels (usually to the first strike that hit, or the first time someone "drew blood") with foam weapons, caber toss where the players tossed real poles, a brewing contest, and a cake-baking contest where the entrants were judged on their real-world cake-baking ability (and size of bribes given in-character to the judges) through actually baking a cake at the LARP.
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If my understanding of Nordic larps is in any way coherent it seems like they seize on the parts of traditional Masquerade LARPs that people actually enjoyed (being a jerk, being in character, immersive elements) while limiting the parts that nobody liked (rock-paper-scissor, mass combat, other immersion breakers). It has evolved from there to include a whole lot of dramatic techniques designed to reduce the boundaries between player and character and from what I understand is supposed to be a very 'intense' experience. This is in direct contrast to America foam-sword boffing contests that are built on a wide gradient of rules-vs-character or American-style Vampire-LARPs that try to relegate anything more complicated than dialogue to a mechanical abstraction. I'm not sure which one is 'better' but I will say that social-oriented LARPs tend to run the smoothest when checks are not being made and grind to a halt when anybody wants to do anything more complicated than hide or look at something.
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Mendrian posted:If my understanding of Nordic larps is in any way coherent it seems like they seize on the parts of traditional Masquerade LARPs that people actually enjoyed (being a jerk, being in character, immersive elements) while limiting the parts that nobody liked (rock-paper-scissor, mass combat, other immersion breakers). It has evolved from there to include a whole lot of dramatic techniques designed to reduce the boundaries between player and character and from what I understand is supposed to be a very 'intense' experience. This is in direct contrast to America foam-sword boffing contests that are built on a wide gradient of rules-vs-character or American-style Vampire-LARPs that try to relegate anything more complicated than dialogue to a mechanical abstraction. There's a free overview here: https://nordiclarp.wordpress.com/
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Does anyone happen to recall the online-only chapters of Hunter: Apocrypha, or have them available? EDIT: You know, I really can't stress how much the series Utopia is ideal for WoD inspiration, both new and old. For Demon, you have your world of paranoia, overwhelming forces that can and will do anything to track and destroy you, the sinister machinations of a globe-spanning conspiracy that operates on the highest theoretical levels, and your hyper-realism. For oMage you have... all of those things again, plus direct examples of what's wrong with the Technocracy. And then you have the soundtrack, which is unique, but could be readily exploited for Demon especially. This isn't an ideal link - a bunch of the tracks include voice overs, etc, - but it's a good idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsJXfkOlCLw It's also one of the most bizarre soundtracks to a show I've heard in a while, too, since it seems to do everything you're not meant to do when you're scoring telly. Loomer fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Apr 12, 2015 |
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paradoxGentleman posted:Is that blog post about Beast: the Primordial that they were talking about up yet? The first one just went up HERE. It's just an intro + fiction, still interesting though.
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quote:"Welcome to My Nightmare" hahahaha yessssssssssss welcome to hell, you loving normies!!!!!
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