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I am eagerly awaiting the Truer Detective fan edit, which is ordered chronologically and anything that could possibly be construed as supernatural is edited out. Instead of looking up into a swirling galaxy, Rust Cohle will look up at Goatse.
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Jose posted:So which of the monologues were just totally stolen? None of them, he uses a bunch of Ligotti or Ligotti-esque turns of phrase. He's openly admitted this in interviews and pointed people to the authors in question. Cohle is an original character based on the philosophy of other people. A lovecraft fanzine freaked out about his use of homage, and accused him of plagiarism. All of following predates the accusations of plagiarism, and was voluntarily offered up in an interview: Nic Pizzolatto posted:I first heard of Ligotti maybe six years ago, when Laird Barron’s first collection alerted me to this whole world of new weird fiction that I hadn’t known existed. I started looking around for the best contemporary stuff to read, and in any discussion of that kind, the name “Ligotti” comes up first. I couldn’t find any of his books in print, and their used prices were prohibitive for me at the time. But I located a couple at libraries, and his nightmare lyricism was enthralling and visionary.
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May 22, 2015 06:10
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Periodiko posted:None of them, he uses a bunch of Ligotti or Ligotti-esque turns of phrase. "Death created time to grow the things that it would kill." - Rust Cohle "Death needs time for what it kills to grow in" - William S. Burroughs, Ah Pook is Here Nic Pizzolatto posted:RUST: It's just one story, the oldest. Alan Moore posted:KAPELA: Just look above you. Do you see? That is called the immense board of lights. And there is the Great Black and, strewn across it, small and surrounded and vulnerable and brave, there is the Great White.
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May 22, 2015 06:31
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Yeah, he also quotes a Daredevil panel. It's a great show. I'm referring to the Ligotti thing because that was the one that got all the traction. I don't think anyone was silly enough to accuse him of "plagiarizing" Burroughs. http://lovecraftzine.com/2014/08/04/did-the-writer-of-true-detective-plagiarize-thomas-ligotti-and-others/
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May 22, 2015 07:01
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Rust was a character that always quoted things he read, but because he didn't source his quotes mid sentence on a television show like he was posting on the internet a bunch of nerds got angry.
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May 22, 2015 13:09
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I like the idea of Rust basing his worldview on Alan Moore comics.
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May 22, 2015 15:11
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Solice Kirsk posted:Rust was a character that always quoted things he read, but because he didn't source his quotes mid sentence on a television show like he was posting on the internet a bunch of nerds got angry. Yea the Rust character is, for the most part, full of poo poo. He's more or less able to convince himself that its not bullshit, but in the end he's shown that it is. Him quoting from weird fiction as if its profound totally fits with the character.
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May 22, 2015 15:21
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Solice Kirsk posted:Rust was a character that always quoted things he read, but because he didn't source his quotes mid sentence on a television show like he was posting on the internet a bunch of nerds got angry. So he should have sourced his quotes like they do in Criminal Minds? gently caress that, let the nerds rage until they choke on the hair at the back of their throats.
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May 22, 2015 15:22
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Death of the author and all but Nicky Pizza gets super defensive whenever people criticize Rust which makes rationalizing his theft as totally cool self-aware character building that much weaker.
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May 22, 2015 16:14
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Maybe he's just sick of neckbeards accusing him of plagiarism?
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May 22, 2015 17:35
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https://vimeo.com/14912890
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May 22, 2015 18:01
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Sleeveless posted:Death of the author and all but Nicky Pizza gets super defensive whenever people criticize Rust which makes rationalizing his theft as totally cool self-aware character building that much weaker. Referencing another work of fiction through quotation or homage is not plagiarism, and it's reasonable for him to be defensive about those accusations.
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May 22, 2015 23:32
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Periodiko posted:Referencing another work of fiction through quotation or homage is not plagiarism, and it's reasonable for him to be defensive about those accusations. If it were plagiarism then we'd have a whole lot fewer good songs out there because nobody'd be allowed to borrow stuff they like from literature or other songs as homages or inspirations.
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May 23, 2015 16:21
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Thank you for reminding me of the Season 1 thread. That was some epic poo poo.
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May 25, 2015 03:49
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Who was the goon that called the lawnmower man as the killer the episode they first showed him? I'm sure it was a joke, but I think they had a picture of him, the spaghetti monster, and green ear protectors. Its kinda funny to think back on it.
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May 25, 2015 04:50
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Solice Kirsk posted:Who was the goon that called the lawnmower man as the killer the episode they first showed him? I'm sure it was a joke, but I think they had a picture of him, the spaghetti monster, and green ear protectors. Its kinda funny to think back on it. It's always the lawnmower man. I blame Jeff Fahey
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May 25, 2015 04:53
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Drifter posted:Don't hate the players, hate the game. The ironic thing about fans of a thing: they are always the worst mediaries of that thing.
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May 25, 2015 05:01
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3Romeo posted:The ironic thing about fans of a thing: they are always the worst mediaries of that thing. The Koreans are right, fans kill everything.
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May 25, 2015 05:34
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Drifter posted:The Koreans are right, fans kill everything. Especially when you're trapped in a room with them.
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May 25, 2015 05:36
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I honestly don't see how anyone can say the occult theme wasn't a major part of the first season. Ignoring the silly argument of 'it wasn't really cthulhu!' 'yes it was!', the belief in and symbolism used by the killer and the conspiracy were heavy occult. Pursuing an occult obsessed killer is still incorporating an occult theme into the work even if its just there as set dressing to spice it up.
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May 25, 2015 07:06
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Its use of the occult symbolism was more a tool to show the ingrained behaviors and natures of the general populace and the obfuscatory powers of the elite than any relation to some dark, tentacled unknown alien-gods. The killer himself was just some loving nutso brainwashed and abused by the people who bred him to do their handiwork. He was as occult as a little kid singing Jesus songs at a week long Bible Camp. It was by rote and force, not any meaningful understanding of the activities and process. Drifter fucked around with this message at 07:57 on May 25, 2015 |
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May 25, 2015 07:53
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And the use of that is still the use of occult themes.
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May 25, 2015 08:05
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Loomer posted:And the use of that is still the use of occult themes. Occult symbolism and 'the occult' are two different things that people tend to conflate. Most of the arguments I've seen here tend to do with people saying that Cthulhu was hiding out in Rust's car's trunk or something.
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May 25, 2015 08:10
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And that's why I expressly discounted that tiresome argument. The reality of it is that the occult element of the show - in the sense of there being the continual underlying focus on ritual and symbolism by the killer - was a big part of the flavour and character of the first season.
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May 25, 2015 08:38
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I'd almost describe the symbolism as Spooky Gothic, given its treatment and lack of any meaningful device. The occult treatment would be from the institutionalized Tuttle Family behavior and the community built around it.
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May 25, 2015 09:19
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Solice Kirsk posted:Who was the goon that called the lawnmower man as the killer the episode they first showed him? I'm sure it was a joke, but I think they had a picture of him, the spaghetti monster, and green ear protectors. Its kinda funny to think back on it. He called it because the actor (Remus from Boardwalk empire) was a bit too famous to have a 20 second part
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May 25, 2015 09:59
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blablablabla posted:He called it because the actor (Remus from Boardwalk empire) was a bit too famous to have a 20 second part But now he does refrigerator commercials so who knows.
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May 25, 2015 22:37
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Drifter posted:Occult symbolism and 'the occult' are two different things that people tend to conflate. Most of the arguments I've seen here tend to do with people saying that Cthulhu was hiding out in Rust's car's trunk or something. Come on man, it's pretty obvious that Cthulhu was hiding in the trunk of the stripper's anachronistic Subaru Outback.
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May 27, 2015 00:54
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Solice Kirsk posted:Who was the goon that called the lawnmower man as the killer the episode they first showed him? I'm sure it was a joke, but I think they had a picture of him, the spaghetti monster, and green ear protectors. Its kinda funny to think back on it. The ear protectors ended up being a lot better than what the show went with, which was drippy green paint. Also, for however prescient that guy ended up being, the other 80% of the thread who went on and on about how Maggie's dad was the grand pubah of child molestation certainly counterbalanced a modest victory.
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May 27, 2015 02:38
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Newest trailers making this thing look better than I thought it would
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Well, this is pretty foreboding. It's the AV Club review of the season two episodes that they've seen, I assume in a press kit--seems to be the first three.
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Jun 18, 2015 17:00
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Zombie Raptor posted:Well, this is pretty foreboding. It's the AV Club review of the season two episodes that they've seen, I assume in a press kit--seems to be the first three. The AV Club is very questionable with quality, and I'm pretty sure they're one of the ones that was really pushing the Yellow King stuff last season so this may be an overcorrection for that.
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All the reviews I've read are pretty much the same. It does not seem like this season gets off to a great start.Sepinwall posted:You could suggest that, of the show's three core elements, the scripts were in obvious third place behind the acting and the directing, but Pizzolatto was the one who gave McConaughey and Harrelson the material they played so beautifully, and that Fukunaga found such visual inspiration in.
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computer parts posted:The AV Club is very questionable with quality, and I'm pretty sure they're one of the ones that was really pushing the Yellow King stuff last season so this may be an overcorrection for that. I tend to find them to be pretty on par, myself. Also, while they did talk about the Yellow King and what it referenced, if there was any actual pushing of theories, it was in the comments section. But, I mean, I'm not saying "hey, let's all dismiss it because of this review." I'm saying that the review is a bit disconcerting. I personally tend to agree with AVC and like their critics' work, and I have been looking forward to Season 2, so it just makes me a little uneasy is all. I'll judge it on my own terms and such as I see it, but that doesn't change the fact that the review gives me a reasonable amount of doubt about what we'll be getting. Their season 1 coverage was actually really well-done, IIRC. They kept the speculation to a minimal unless joking about in their stray observations section (also, as I said before, comments)--again, IIRC.
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Jun 18, 2015 17:25
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Season 1 was pretty boring until the gang hideout episode so i'm not too worried.
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Jun 19, 2015 00:52
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I'm still willing to give the season the benefit of the doubt given two episodes is nothing to go on in the scheme of things. Trying to re-capture what they did in season 1 would've been impossible so an adjustment to the format was kind of inevitable and I find it hard to fault them for it. Given the way the last season started off and built toward it's end I think it should probably be judged on its whole rather than the first two episodes.
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Jun 19, 2015 01:57
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I think a large part of the "tone" people are talking about only exists because for such a large part of the show no one was really sure what kind of show it was going to end up being. Half the audience was still waiting for a wormhole to open and Cthulhu to start spouting nonsense to Rust about how to solve crimes/his demons, and this was episode 9. Can't wait for the season 2 though. What made season one great was just a solid story and some people acting the poo poo out of every scene, I'm fairly optimistic about this cast, especially because they're following season 1's work.
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Jun 19, 2015 02:55
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Oh, I definitely agree about giving it the benefit of a doubt. I mean, that was my second thought in my last post. No reason to just write it off based on that, and that's not what I'm suggesting. I'm just saying that it's a bad omen. It's the first thing I've seen/read about the show that has actually instilled some doubt in me about it. That's it.
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U shouldn't read reviews for anything you're not gonna pay for, just gonna let someone else's opinion taint your own. Wisdom
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Greenwald actually likes the new season, which is hilarious. http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/truedetectiveseason2-more-dark-more-real-more-mustachioed/ "Sure, I thought Pizzolatto’s scripts were mostly secondhand smoke. But I don’t mean to diminish his real achievement in getting so many people hooked on it. His true skill was in stitching contemporary TV’s intellectualism and fan engagement to a very old-fashioned game of bait and switch. It was a fresh pair of antlers on yesterday’s corpse." "For all the times Pizzolatto could have used an editor — Ani is short for “Antigone,” and her porn-performing sister is named Athena — there are flashes of real wit. When a smirking superior says, “Ray accepts dualities must be affected to serve public interest,” it’s a neat, bureaucratic reversal of Rust’s heavenly gibberish; the Bhagavad Gita as standard operating procedure. In its second season, True Detective offers much less to love yet a great deal more to like."
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