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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Those with Early Childhood Education BA's (people who focus on the development of children from birth to age 6 or so) make an average of 25k, and the average salary of an elementary school teacher and middle school is a little north of 50k. I have no idea how long preschool people work for, but the elementary and middle school ones put in 70 hours a week after grading and class prep. Sounds like a very appealing job to me! 70 hours a week? Please. I'm sure it's well over 100 hours a week. It takes THAT MUCH TIME to figure out where you put the lesson plan from last year and dust it off for reuse
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Apr 15, 2015 17:50
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Daedra posted:counterpoint a child is not a pumpkin Yeah but spend the entire first semester reviewing what you should have learned last year plus another 2 months of test prep and test taking and then wonder why our kids aren't learning poo poo. Our teachers don't get paid enough either. They get paid like poo poo and then we wonder why the field doesn't attract qualified intelligent people other than the ones who genuinely just want to teach. There's definitely teachers that suck and shouldn't be there, though.
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Apr 15, 2015 17:50
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Moridin920 posted:Yeah but spend the entire first semester reviewing what you should have learned last year plus another 2 months of test prep and test taking and then wonder why our kids aren't learning poo poo. this pumpkin is dumb as hell
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Apr 15, 2015 17:52
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I'd just like to add that it makes me fear for the future that we are falling behind on test scores compared to countries where they literally riot when you try to stop students cheating on tests.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:06
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Funding sucks. The last non profit I worked for hadn't given employees a raise in a decade but the CEO inflated her salary from 100k to 250k. This seems to be a trend in the U.S. ...
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Apr 15, 2015 18:07
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capitalism is the best and everything should be profit driven; if the child can't turn a profit for the school send them to the textile factory imo
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Apr 15, 2015 18:10
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Pauline Kael posted:70 hours a week? Please. I'm sure it's well over 100 hours a week. It takes THAT MUCH TIME to figure out where you put the lesson plan from last year and dust it off for reuse Strangely enough, I find that I just can't reuse the materials from last year. Every year I review and rewrite my lesson plans. Strangely enough, science keeps advancing, and I have to adjust a lot of my lessons accordingly. Even if the material itself has not changed, the lesson will, due to changes around it, and alterations I need to make based on new technology in the classroom and things like that. Ten years ago there was one computer in my classroom, and if a student wanted to look up information they had to use the textbook or the selection of reference books in the back of my room. This was pretty much the limit of their available information, and was fairly outdated. Now, every student has a chromebook, and has the sum total of human knowledge literally at their fingertips. My job is not so much to give them information, as to help them figure out how to use the information they can find on their own. Things have really changed.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:12
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Blue Train posted:capitalism is the best and everything should be profit driven; if the child can't turn a profit for the school send them to the textile factory imo This but without the sarcastic irony 
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Apr 15, 2015 18:12
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The awesome thing about standardized tests is that they are used to justify the closure of public schools and their replacement with for-profit privatized schools (charter schools eg) which are clearly way better
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Apr 15, 2015 18:16
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genesplicer posted:Strangely enough, I find that I just can't reuse the materials from last year. Every year I review and rewrite my lesson plans. Strangely enough, science keeps advancing, and I have to adjust a lot of my lessons accordingly. Even if the material itself has not changed, the lesson will, due to changes around it, and alterations I need to make based on new technology in the classroom and things like that. How many hours a week do you typically work? My whole family are educators, who all claim to work 70 hours a week. They're all horrified when they come over here on a holiday or weekend and I'm ~actually~ working. That's horrible, how can evil corporation X expect you to work so many hours
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Apr 15, 2015 18:22
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:This but without the sarcastic irony They're also confusing capitalism with socialists.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:22
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End of the year testing: PARCC test, followed by CMAS, then PARCC test follow-up. There are two days of in-class instruction between the two PARCC tests, and the second one is supposed to show learning progress from the first one. Clearly this system is designed to show no progress, so congress can cite the lack of teacher performance, and gain traction to privatize schools while further demonizing teacher unions. Meanwhile, the wealthy can afford to send their kids to private schools anyway, or live in areas with essentially unlimited school funding anyway, so they'll never see what it's like for anyone outside of their perfect, well-bred, well-manicured lives. USA! USA! USA! USA!
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Pauline Kael posted:How many hours a week do you typically work? My whole family are educators, who all claim to work 70 hours a week. They're all horrified when they come over here on a holiday or weekend and I'm ~actually~ working. That's horrible, how can evil corporation X expect you to work so many hours Well they're still government jobs that give you major holidays off. If anything you're the weird one for thinking it's okay to work on Easter or whatever. I'm not a teacher but a rough estimation: a school day is 7 hours. tack on 2-3 for grading papers, projects, quizzes, tests, classwork, homework, coming up with new lesson plans, etc. so already you're at 40-50 hours a week just from Mon - Fri. I remember most of my teachers grading essays and stuff over the weekend too, so add 10-15 hours for the weekend work and 70 hours a week on average seems reasonable. I was taking a lot of honors and AP classes though, they generate more work that needs to get reviewed. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 18:25
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Flesh Forge posted:The awesome thing about standardized tests is that they are used to justify the closure of public schools and their replacement with for-profit privatized schools (charter schools eg) which are clearly way better Tie funding to test scores Set Impossible Standards Watch as public school system destroys itself Move in with private schools
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Apr 15, 2015 18:25
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Pauline Kael posted:70 hours a week? Please. I'm sure it's well over 100 hours a week. It takes THAT MUCH TIME to figure out where you put the lesson plan from last year and dust it off for reuse 
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Apr 15, 2015 18:26
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Moridin920 posted:Well they're still government jobs that give you major holidays off. i like the part where they get most of the summer off
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Apr 15, 2015 18:29
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Pauline Kael posted:How many hours a week do you typically work? My whole family are educators, who all claim to work 70 hours a week. They're all horrified when they come over here on a holiday or weekend and I'm ~actually~ working. That's horrible, how can evil corporation X expect you to work so many hours Generally speaking, 2-3 hours every night after school, then about 5 or 6 hours on the weekend. The average week is between 15 and 25 hours over and above the time at school. Right before the end of the grading period it can double. At that time there will be many nights when I don't get to bed before 1 AM, just because of all the grading that I need to finish. Over the summer I will average 2-3 hours per day on curriculum development. This is over and above the meetings and such I attend. Usually about 3-4 weeks worth of those in a given summer. As an aside, Mrs. Genesplicer (also a teacher) and I will try to arrange one night per week where we do not bring home any work for that night, just so we can have one night per week where we do not have obligations. We generally succeed once or twice a month. Genesplicer fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Apr 15, 2015 |
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Apr 15, 2015 18:30
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Daedra posted:i like the part where they get most of the summer off You know they're not getting like a paid 2-3 month vacation, right? A lot of them still work over the summer for summer school and other poo poo like that. A lot of them get other jobs to meet ends during the summer. A lot of schools don't even do long summer breaks anymore.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:31
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:Once again I'm back with some more Liberal fails.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:31
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The standards are impossible! The children don't get fed dinner or have a place to sleep at night, how can they learn?  Meanwhile literal slaves learned how to read when it was illegal to teach them. Wake up, America.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:32
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Daedra posted:counterpoint a child is not a pumpkin sure can't tell by looking at them
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Apr 15, 2015 18:34
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genesplicer posted:Generally speaking, 2-3 hours every night after school, then about 5 or 6 hours on the weekend. The average week is between 15 and 25 hours over and above the time at school. Right before the end of the grading period it can double. At that time there will be many nights when I don't get to bed before 1 AM, just because of all the grading that I need to finish. Over the summer I will average 2-3 hours per day on curriculum development. This is over and above the meetings and such I attend. Usually about 3-4 weeks worth of those in a given summer. Do you find this is typical for your peers?
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Apr 15, 2015 18:34
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Pauline Kael posted:Do you find this is typical for your peers? At my school, yes. Can't say for others. Mrs. Genesplicer and her colleagues, too. She works as much or more than I do. Particularly because they are implementing the new Common Core Standards.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:37
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Maybe something's hosed when the teachers are helping the kids cheat or cheating on their behalf.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:38
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And yes, I fully appreciate the irony that I am posting from school. As my students work on their projects, I am walking around monitoring them and providing advice. As I do this, I either write from my laptop at the front of the class, or from my tablet as I walk around. Like most of you don't post from work...
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genesplicer posted:And yes, I fully appreciate the irony that I am posting from school. As my students work on their projects, I am walking around monitoring them and providing advice. As I do this, I either write from my laptop at the front of the class, or from my tablet as I walk around. Lol. If only they knew. I'm assuming not more than 100ft away from you one of them is eagerly posting "I'm gay!" or "cuck!" In another GBS thread.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:41
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:The standards are impossible! The children don't get fed dinner or have a place to sleep at night, how can they learn? yeah i bet they weren't doing so hot on their multi variable algebra though.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:41
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burritolingus posted:Maybe something's hosed when the teachers are helping the kids cheat or cheating on their behalf. ... and then an insane (probably right-wing, anti-public education) judge puts them in prison for seven years and everyone is totally OK with that.
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Apr 15, 2015 18:43
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people really don't understand what goes into teaching until you are personally in the situation with all the requirements being forced at you. its way harder than corporate poo poo where you announce a launch date then just let the date lapse because an entire department is staffed by idiots and leadership just decides it'll try again in a few months
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Apr 15, 2015 18:51
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City of Tampa posted:... and then an insane (probably right-wing, anti-public education) judge puts them in prison for seven years and everyone is totally OK with that. steal billions of dollars and serve less time
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Apr 15, 2015 18:52
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Libelous Slander posted:people really don't understand what goes into teaching until you are personally in the situation with all the requirements being forced at you. its way harder than corporate poo poo where you announce a launch date then just let the date lapse because an entire department is staffed by idiots and leadership just decides it'll try again in a few months plus you have to deal with a bunch of rear end in a top hat kids
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Moridin920 posted:plus you have to deal with a bunch of rear end in a top hat kids yeah you're right corporations are tough too
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Apr 15, 2015 18:54
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Luvcow posted:Lol. If only they knew. I'm assuming not more than 100ft away from you one of them is eagerly posting "I'm gay!" or "cuck!" In another GBS thread. My students? No way. They are either in FYAD or e/n...
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Apr 15, 2015 18:58
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wait kids aren't into anime anymore?
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Apr 15, 2015 19:00
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Libelous Slander posted:wait kids aren't into anime anymore? anime has like sexual stereotypes or something i guess
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Apr 15, 2015 19:01
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the all-out assault on public education is simultaneously infuriating and depressing, but part of me does want to say to teachers "why the gently caress would you ever want to become a teacher anyway?' and kind of blame them for asking for it.
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City of Tampa posted:the all-out assault on public education is simultaneously infuriating and depressing, but part of me does want to say to teachers "why the gently caress would you ever want to become a teacher anyway?' and kind of blame them for asking for it. I wonder that about the teachers getting started today. I'm glad I'm closer to retirement than the start. It was quite different 24 years ago.
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People don't choose to be teachers these days. It's a fall back profession that 20-something women flock to in order to coast. They go from being High School students themselves, sleeping their way through a liberal arts degree while playing beer pong with their titties out, and finally to "teaching", gosh, what they always wanted to do! If time allows in their busy schedules, they might gently caress some of the students, since they're only a couple of years apart anyhow.
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Daedra posted:counterpoint a child is not a pumpkin Not according to that psycho who posted in TFR a few years back.
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