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that was the weirdest thing to me Wildstar seemed like the perfect game to make you feel like a badass The non boss stuff should be you clowning on mobs and doing cool stuff instead you just used all those moves with cool AOE ranges and stuff to just fight like one or two mobs that would kick your rear end, so they might as well not even have interesting moves or an action focus combat system
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I'm just waiting for the string of news articles about carbine developers quitting to work on mobile games or just disappearing (since this IS NCsoft we're talking about) and the game being taken over by a new team.
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Apr 20, 2015 18:45
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Eonwe posted:that was the weirdest thing to me The only thing missing is exp loss on death.
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Apr 20, 2015 18:46
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PvE people are the only people who like quality of life improvements hardcore Raiding and hardcore PvP grognards actively think anything that isn't from the 90s or early 2000s is carebear
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Apr 20, 2015 18:49
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Eonwe posted:that was the weirdest thing to me This is kind of what I was getting at. You've got this highly mobile action oriented combat system to go with the cartoon feel of the game yet if you get more than one or two full fledged mobs on you it often just falls apart. Honestly, it feels like they wanted to do something less orthodox and said the gently caress with it halfway through. Archonex fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 20, 2015 |
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Apr 20, 2015 18:56
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Archonex posted:As for the bugs and "hardcore" (Read: Tedious as poo poo.) gameplay, it was probably a mix of both. I could have dealt with the bugs, but the gameplay itself was just abysmal. Especially the grinding. Dear god. What the gently caress. Who thought the amount of grinding in this game was acceptable?
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Apr 20, 2015 18:56
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Bauxite posted:I'm just waiting for the string of news articles about carbine developers quitting to work on mobile games or just disappearing (since this IS NCsoft we're talking about) and the game being taken over by a new team. Anything would be an improvement at this point tbf up and including literal clinically diagnosed imbeciles. Evil Mastermind posted:That raises a good question: what was the focus of gameplay supposed to be? It wasn't the grind because that was tedious and full of grindy mobs and adds that could kill you, but it clearly wasn't endgame raiding because they deliberately made it impossible. It was all about making GBS threads on casuals on the forums while reminiscing about halcyon days of vanilla wow. e: Anyway, if Carbine comes to their senses and rebalance everything for the f2p relaunch they still might salvage something, I mean at least the art style is not bad looking imo. It happened before (tor, eso). cthulhoo fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Apr 20, 2015 |
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Apr 20, 2015 18:57
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Evil Mastermind posted:That raises a good question: what was the focus of gameplay supposed to be? It wasn't the grind because that was tedious and full of grindy mobs and adds that could kill you, but it clearly wasn't endgame raiding because they deliberately made it impossible. It was putting your nuts in a vice and paying 15 dollars a month and 100+ hours for the privilege.
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Apr 20, 2015 18:59
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Bauxite posted:It was putting your nuts in a vice and paying 15 dollars a month and 100+ hours for the privilege. this is extremely my poo poo
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Apr 20, 2015 19:02
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I miss my houses. I ended up playing a bunch of alts to level 14 just to have more plots to build cool poo poo on. My favorite was supersizing an empty bar cabinet and adding extra shelves and precarious stairs and poo poo to make it some weird giant play-set to live in. Shame that's gonna be the first thing they'll cripple for free players when they go F2P 
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Apr 20, 2015 19:19
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SarutosZero posted:The only thing missing is exp loss on death. Dropping your equipment for others to loot upon death.
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Apr 20, 2015 19:20
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Kinda surprised its not in there what with all the ra-ra-ra-hardcore bullshit. Idea: permadeath for f2p players. 
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Apr 20, 2015 19:27
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if you die in the game a dev drives to your house and punches you in the face also, you lose XP the longer you are logged out
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Apr 20, 2015 20:02
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Weapons degrade over both time and use, fully broken gear turns into a broken version of the item and can only be used as a crafting material to remake the item by another player.
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Apr 20, 2015 20:04
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Xavier434 posted:Dropping your equipment for others to loot upon death. Permadeath
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Apr 20, 2015 20:04
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honestly I cant wait for real VR with realistic haptic feedback because these devs will make an MMO where you strap yourself in and whenever you die they charge you $50 and then make the suit beat the poo poo out of you
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Apr 20, 2015 20:08
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cthulhoo posted:Idea: permadeath for f2p players. What, and just hand these casual, no-sub cupcakes the Holy Grail of Hardcore MMORPGs? As if! 
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Apr 20, 2015 20:14
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Eonwe posted:if you die in the game a dev drives to your house and punches you in the face The company only has one van though so it might take a little bit before they get to each player. Can't respawn until they hit you.
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Apr 20, 2015 20:17
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I do make fun because I was never a hardcore raiding nerd, but I am a hardcore PvP nerd. I do try to realize that when I make fun of Wildstar
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Apr 20, 2015 20:17
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i am tim! posted:What, and just hand these casual, no-sub cupcakes the Holy Grail of Hardcore MMORPGs? As if! God, could you imagine if the devs ran with this idea? "New f2p hipster players will get easier attunements and simpler raids, because they need to be coddled. Not like you hardcore, manly old-school subscribers who will keep access to the original raid system because you're too badass to be coddled, ammirite?"
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Apr 20, 2015 20:18
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Eonwe posted:honestly I cant wait for real VR with realistic haptic feedback At this point I'm honestly waiting for the devs to announce they're entering into partnership with chinese prison gold farming labour.
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Evil Mastermind posted:God, could you imagine if the devs ran with this idea? That's almost insane enough to work.
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i would play just to support that dangerously insane and stupid idea if it happened just because it would be hilarious
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id also talk about how the subs were pay to win while doing the raids
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Eonwe posted:id also talk about how the subs were pay to win while doing the raids Subs and Non-subs people won't be allowed to raid or form guilds together. Why stop at 2 factions when you can have 4
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Eonwe posted:PvE people are the only people who like quality of life improvements I think the anniversary MC raid put this nonsense to bed. Even people who were heroic/mythic raiders/even old MC raiders were talking about how it was just a miserable experience.
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Psykmoe posted:I miss my houses. I ended up playing a bunch of alts to level 14 just to have more plots to build cool poo poo on. I remember that house, I made a bunch of furniture for you! I had the spooky graveyard with plushie ritual sacrifice scenes.
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Rhymenoserous posted:I think the anniversary MC raid put this nonsense to bed. Even people who were heroic/mythic raiders/even old MC raiders were talking about how it was just a miserable experience. I think it was a good experience once, but even if you had fun with it you understood that you would never do it again and why it was so bad. It was a good experience in the same way that watching a really terrible movie with your friends is.
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Rhymenoserous posted:I think the anniversary MC raid put this nonsense to bed. Even people who were heroic/mythic raiders/even old MC raiders were talking about how it was just a miserable experience. I didnt take part, so Im glad to hear this
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I remember about a week or two after the release this "guide" was released for attunement to the raids. This honestly killed I think 85% of the player base who even CONSIDERED that they might want to raid. Here it is for you to look at The world bosses were perpetually bugged and contested by the opposing faction. Because hardcore.
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jesus christ i didnt even know
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two things. 1) I'm glad you didn't timg it, it's a much better effect when you have to keep scrolling down and get more incredulous as it goes on, and 2) the best thing about world bosses was you had to do different ones for your 10 total and if your progress reset at like 8 or 9 then you could not do that step anymore because there wouldn't be enough world bosses left to fill out 10 kills.
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imagine instead rather than requiring those things that you were just like "oh yea for each of those things you do you can get some really cool skin or cosmetic or something" it would provide an even better incentive than "in order to play the 'real content' you have to do this other dumb poo poo you arent as interested in"
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Bauxite posted:two things. 1) I'm glad you didn't timg it, it's a much better effect when you have to keep scrolling down and get more incredulous as it goes on, and 2) the best thing about world bosses was you had to do different ones for your 10 total and if your progress reset at like 8 or 9 then you could not do that step anymore because there wouldn't be enough world bosses left to fill out 10 kills. Within the first week or two you could kill the same bosses a few times to get credit. They hotfixed that out, and then reset the progress to be "fair" for other players if you hadn't completed it and had multiple kills. Then there were times where the quest would bug out and your "key" (the thing that would update every time you completed a step) would become corrupted or lost and then you'd have to START OVER FROM THE BEGINNING. Carbine's response to this bug was "welp".
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Bauxite posted:two things. 1) I'm glad you didn't timg it, it's a much better effect when you have to keep scrolling down and get more incredulous as it goes on Literally my exact response to reading it.
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The thing with that attunement is there were little "gently caress you" clauses to some of the steps. Like say the second step of getting 150 elder gems. I think if I recall correctly you were capped to how many elder gems you could get in a week at like 50/75 or something. So it would require you to max out your gems (play a lot) in order to complete this step quickly. If you didn't max out you were at least another week behind and it would still take 2-3 weeks minimum to do that one step. Let's say you want to do dungeons to get your gems... See how it says silver dungeons are required? If you got a silver dungeon prior to getting your key it didn't count. Same with any other steps. Every step had to be completed IN ORDER. About a month into the release out of everyone in goon squad who didn't immediately quit after the trial period... I think maybe 6 people were attuned with almost ZERO others even completing ONE of the silver dungeon requirements. I ended up transferring to finish my attunement because the server we rolled on was dead (THANKS DOUBLESTEP) and the world bosses thing finally killed it for me.
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Does anyone have a breakdown of how involved some of the steps there are? Like, how do you acquire 150 elder gems? How many Veteran Adventures are there? Also, is it just me or are steps 6 and 8 the same thing? e: well, that was handy.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Does anyone have a breakdown of how involved some of the steps there are? Like, how do you acquire 150 elder gems? How many Veteran Adventures are there? Adventures were separate things, think of it like a choose your own adventure novel in dungeon form, and it gets better when you find out that certain choices in the tree for the adventures broke constantly, so often times each adventure had a strict path anyway because all the other branches would break and you'd have to start over.
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Essentially Carbine approached fun like you might approach fire. Any time there was any possibility of fun Carbine would come swooping in like a giant wet blanket (or more aptly a boot) and stamp that poo poo out ricky tick. FOUND A WAY TO MAKE MONEY THROUGH A VENDOR? PATCH FOUND A WAY TO FINISH YOUR ATTUNEMENT FASTER? PATCH AND PROGRESS RESET SOMETHING IRREPARABLY BUGGED? MAYBE NEXT PATCH THIS PATCH IS hosed? MAYBE NEXT PATCH MANAGED TO GET INTO THE RAID? BOSSES ARE IMPOSSIBLE MANAGED TO CLEAR A RAID? gently caress YOU CASUAL I ALLOWED YOU TO WIN BECAUSE gently caress YOU. Video representation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XGAmPRxV48
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