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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/16/italian-police-arrest-migrants-alleged-to-have-thrown-christians-overboard Or are there extenuating root causes, like the Crusades?
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i don't think you understand what genocide means.
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Sensing lots of potential in this thread.
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TheImmigrant posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/16/italian-police-arrest-migrants-alleged-to-have-thrown-christians-overboard Missing important data. Which participants, if any, were white? Even if murdered, they committed genocide. If all participants were brown this was a no-fault drowning. wateroverfire fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Apr 16, 2015 |
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Apr 16, 2015 20:20
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Coohoolin posted:i don't think you understand what genocide means. "Genocide is the deliberate destruction of physical life of individual human beings by reason of their membership of any human collectivity as such." (The Crime of State, Volume 2, Leiden, 1959, p. 125.)
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yes, it is genocide e: oh you meant the link, not this thread
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Apr 16, 2015 21:25
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wanna put this thread in a sack and chuck it overboard
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Apr 16, 2015 21:30
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Popular Thug Drink posted:yes, it is genocide Religious persecution is hilarious when committed by fetish peoples, isn't it?
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TheImmigrant posted:Religious persecution is hilarious when committed by fetish peoples, isn't it? Christians so they were probably white and that makes it hilarious
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Apr 16, 2015 21:32
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no, it is not genocide
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Popular Thug Drink posted:yes, it is genocide i disagree with what you say but i'll fight for your right to say it
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Willie Tomg posted:no, it is not genocide Do you disagree with the definition I posted?
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Zeitgueist posted:Christians so they were probably white and that makes it hilarious gently caress you, im trans-christian
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Apr 16, 2015 21:39
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This is a horrible tragedy. Without these illegal immigrants who will do literally all the work in Italy?
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Apr 16, 2015 21:40
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Caught in a big sack no escape from the Mediterranean Sea
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Apr 16, 2015 21:41
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godawful thread, godawful OP *gavel noises* this is the people's court
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Apr 16, 2015 21:41
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TheImmigrant posted:Do you disagree with the definition I posted? in isolation from a larger context, yes, because that formulation of the definition is imprecise and bad.
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lets definitely do this and seriously talk about killing a dozen people in terms we'd use for the systematic removal of an ethnic group from a given area. not while smoking weed, though. that is a bridge too far.
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Apr 16, 2015 21:44
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Willie Tomg posted:in isolation from a larger context, yes, because that formulation of the definition is imprecise and bad. Disagree. Targeting people because of their membership in a group, e.g. religion, is textbook genocide. This is different from Srebrenica in degree, not kind. Popular Thug Drink posted:godawful thread, godawful OP *gavel noises* this is the people's court Door. rear end.
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Willie Tomg posted:lets definitely do this and seriously talk about killing a dozen people in terms we'd use for the systematic removal of an ethnic group from a given area. not while smoking weed, though. that is a bridge too far. I stopped appropriating Rastafarian culture after having my eyes opened by a D&D thread.
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Apr 16, 2015 21:47
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You might as well have had posted this thread by just asking, "what is the definition of genocide?" I would say no, as genocide is generally taken to mean large groups of people, at least larger than 12. Genocide is also arguably systematic.
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I somehow just now realised that TheImmigrant isn't Cippalippus.
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Apr 16, 2015 21:49
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TheImmigrant posted:Disagree. Targeting people because of their membership in a group, e.g. religion, is textbook genocide. This is different from Srebrenica in degree, not kind. I wouldn't call srebrenica a genocide either tbqh
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dougdrums posted:You might as well have had posted this thread by just asking, "what is the definition of genocide?" First sensible response. To counter: reasonable people could argue that this particular massacre is part of a systematic effort.
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System Metternich posted:I wouldn't call srebrenica a genocide either tbqh Srebrenica was part of a systematic genocide.
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Apr 16, 2015 21:53
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theimmigrant: i still really like your restaurant tipping thread because in the context of this forum it really neatly highlit the needs of changing an economic system while also recognizing that economic systems become economic systems because it allows for systems to be worked through and won over. it is probably the best tipping debate shitshow i've read on the internet. and i mean that in a bad way. but i also mean it honestly and earnestly. you polished a turd with class warfare and that's pretty funny. this thread is stupid though. dougdrums posted:You might as well have had posted this thread by just asking, "what is the definition of genocide?" No, he really couldn't have. That's the gimmick .
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did the people die? I'm not seeing where it says they were actually tossed overboard and left for dead. that being the case, it's at best attempted genocide
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Apr 16, 2015 21:55
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Nope. Not unless you want to have a dumb, unworkable version of genocide just so you can score a cheap political point... oh.
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Apr 16, 2015 21:58
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If only that boat had capsized like most of the refugee boats coming from Africa and Turkey do, killing everyone on board instead of just 15 people, we could continue to sleep well at night. 
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Exclamation Marx posted:wanna put
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Apr 16, 2015 21:59
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I'd support a systematic effort to destroy this thread and all others like it.
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Apr 16, 2015 22:00
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OP are you a Turk that is angry about the fact that the EP for calling the Armenian Genocide a genocide?
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Apr 16, 2015 22:01
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TheImmigrant posted:This is different from Srebrenica in degree, not kind. no, its also different in kind
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GaussianCopula posted:OP are you a Turk that is angry about the fact that the EP for calling the Armenian Genocide a genocide? Willie Tomg posted:No, he really couldn't have. That's the gimmick . I see. Edit: No, there is no wholesale plan to dump Christians into the Mediterranean. You're dumb for posting this and I'm dumb too.
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Apr 16, 2015 22:09
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I think if you're attempting to kill all Christians there are better ways to go about it than throwing a dozen people off a boat.
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TheImmigrant posted:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/16/italian-police-arrest-migrants-alleged-to-have-thrown-christians-overboard Oh are we now believing allegations as soon as they are made?
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Apr 16, 2015 22:10
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OP do you have a quota of threads to post. are you a cop
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TheImmigrant posted:I stopped appropriating Rastafarian culture after having my eyes opened by a D&D thread. Do you still appropriate Hizbwellah? Are you still a mega hitler? Also I would argue this was done for genocidal reasons. Buts I also feel calling it a genocide is cheapening the word.
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Apr 16, 2015 22:21
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I would argue that this thread is part of a systematic effort to genocide good posting.
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GaussianCopula posted:OP are you a Turk that is angry about the fact that the EP for calling the Armenian Genocide a genocide? He is if it helps him support a narrative.
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