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Takoluka posted:I hope that's the case, because I would love to buy a bunch of these for wherever I go. That's what I'm thinking. I just bought one for work and my girlfriends house.
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Thermopyle posted:Something much cheaper than my Moto 360 that looked just as nice but only showed notifications rather than having a touch screen and the ability to interact with notifications would be a pretty good value proposition. You just described a Pebble.
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May 12, 2015 21:23
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Three Olives posted:You just described a Pebble. I was going to post that before but he described something that looked as good as the Moto 360. The pebble always looked good, but it never gave off any sense of fashion or style. I know whenever I had to go somewhere nice, I swapped out my Pebble for something traditional.
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May 12, 2015 21:27
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Why are people assuming there won't be huge strides in the tech of these devices when competition is just starting to heat up?
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May 12, 2015 21:55
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YMMV, but I have one of these (well, same Chinese factory, I guess) and it's infuriatingly lovely. You have to place your device just right and be careful not to touch it lest you knock the coils out of alignment.
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May 12, 2015 22:01
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Desk Lamp posted:Why are people assuming there won't be huge strides in the tech of these devices when competition is just starting to heat up? Things will continue to get a few percent better every year, but legitimate huge strides would surprise me.
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May 12, 2015 22:03
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Grim Up North posted:YMMV, but I have one of these (well, same Chinese factory, I guess) and it's infuriatingly lovely. You have to place your device just right and be careful not to touch it lest you knock the coils out of alignment. Any good alternatives?
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May 12, 2015 22:12
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The biggest changes will be more power-efficient processors and more sensors in more watches as Wear provides support for more things. I think we'll see a lot more GPSs and WiFi antennas in the next generation, for example.
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May 12, 2015 22:17
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Yeah, battery density is the killer and we haven't exactly been crapping out new display technologies left and right. Certainly there have been improvements, but there's only so much impact it can have on a 300mAh battery. Innovation in this space is going to come from the software stack, how helpful and hands off it can be, not necessarily from hardware specs. Sure we could get to the point where the hardware can no longer run the software, but I'm not seeing that as a constraint any time soon. It's android wear itself that is going to bring innovation to this space, not the SoC inside the device or how much bezel it has.
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May 12, 2015 22:18
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bull3964 posted:It's android wear itself that is going to bring innovation to this space, not the SoC inside the device or how much bezel it has. Bezels won't be a source of much innovation, but they will be a way for manufacturers to differentiate. I expect to see more and more devices with identical innards but different fashion aspects.
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May 12, 2015 22:25
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True, but there's probably about 10 times the R&D going into this segment than there was a year or two ago. I would hope to see some unexpected pleasant surprises somewhere along the line, a game changer like the iPhone and iPad did for smartphones and tablets.
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I'd expect battery technology to affect smart phones a year or two in advance of smartwatches, and so far we've seen no evidence of that, nor of anything on the immediate horizon. So far up to this year smartphone battery differentiator is size and quickcharge, neither of which is a concern for a device that can hold maybe 300-400mAH of a li-ion battery and charges at a maximum rate of 760mA. So yeah, your moto360v1 will last until v4 probably before the battery life just gets unbearable for even a day.
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May 12, 2015 22:42
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Dr Cheeto posted:Your watch is going to become obsolete. In a year you're going to be looking at the 360v2 and seeing leaps in terms of battery life and probably several additional features. Between two and three years I'd be shocked if the manufacturer continued pushing Wear updates. God knows when the battery will cease holding a charge for a full day. Maybe you'll wear that watch three, four years, but it's not going to last half as long as a traditional watch would, which is the context of that comment. The only thing that matters in this paragraph is the battery beginning to stop holding charge and is the reason I used the word "mostly". The 360v2 won't make my 360 work worse. Three Olives posted:You just described a Pebble. No, I said something as good looking as the 360. Desk Lamp posted:True, but there's probably about 10 times the R&D going into this segment than there was a year or two ago. I would hope to see some unexpected pleasant surprises somewhere along the line, a game changer like the iPhone and iPad did for smartphones and tablets. Probably not going to happen. It will be just gradual evolutionary changes for the next half a decade and if there are any big breakthroughs it likely won't be anything to do with wearables pushing technology forward, it will be something like a new battery tech that would happen even if wearables didn't exist. Anyway, none of that matters to the utility of the smartwatch you buy today. The main thing that will cause you to need to buy a new watch is the battery dying as it reaches the end of it charging life. Thermopyle fucked around with this message at 22:51 on May 12, 2015 |
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May 12, 2015 22:43
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peterjmatt posted:"Traditional" watches aren't 46mm. The IWC big pilot, the watch that arguably launched the hugewatch trend is only 46mm. That Invicta must be at least 50mm, a size anyone but Arnold Schwarzenegger would laugh at.
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nmfree posted:Both the Invicta and the Moto 360 in my picture have a diameter of... 46mm. I know the Moto 360 is 46mm. My point was that 46mm is larger than "traditional" watches. The recent trend of much larger watches doesn't represent "tradition": it's been a short-lived but popular fashion which is already starting to slow down among the major watch makers. As for the Invicta, it just looks larger than the 360. Some watches look bigger than their measurements due to a variety of design factors. The lack of lugs on the Moto are probably a big factor in making it appear smaller. It will certainly wear smaller on your wrist than the Invicta.
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May 13, 2015 06:26
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Got asked by a nurse today if my Moto 360 was the Apple Watch.  Good news was, when showing her the heart rate function, it matched the ECG machine I was hooked up to.
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May 13, 2015 21:51
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spookygonk posted:Got asked by a nurse today if my Moto 360 was the Apple Watch. I get asked that all the time, and have been since I bought it (long before the apple watch was actually available). Also, they all call it the "iWatch"
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May 13, 2015 21:55
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Every smartwatch is an Apple Watch, just like how every tablet is an iPad. There was probably a time when every smartphone was an iPhone, but now it's either an iPhone or a "samsung". All about that name recognition.
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May 13, 2015 21:58
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Logikv9 posted:All about that name recognition. It's almost trademark erosion at this point.
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May 13, 2015 22:05
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Nobody posted that the Moto 360 is the Woot of the day? I'm disappointed in you all. I think this is the clearest sign yet that the Moto 360 2 will be announced soon.
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Logikv9 posted:Every smartwatch is an Apple Watch, just like how every tablet is an iPad. Never heard 'a samsung' It's always, Is that a 'Droid'? Rastor posted:Nobody posted that the Moto 360 is the Woot of the day? I'm disappointed in you all. 360 hits $100/$110 and I'm jumping on that. Perfect pricepoint for my notification mirror.
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spookygonk posted:Got asked by a nurse today if my Moto 360 was the Apple Watch. I've gotten the same thing since the Apple Watch was announced. Oddly no one has seemed less interested in it after finding out that it is "The Android one". TraderStav posted:360 hits $100/$110 and I'm jumping on that. Perfect pricepoint for my notification mirror. Get the G Watch for like $60 or wait a few months for a Wear with fewer compromises. Frankly right now all the Android Wear devices have glaring compromises and the second gen is right around the corner. Three Olives fucked around with this message at 16:36 on May 14, 2015 |
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May 14, 2015 16:33
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May 14, 2015 17:32
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Three Olives posted:Frankly right now all the Android Wear devices have glaring compromises Three Olives is always wrong.
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May 14, 2015 17:46
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He's right in that case though? The 360 is regarded as the best and it has the performance and battery problems caused by the old SoC, plus the flat tire that bothers a lot of people.
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butt dickus posted:He's right in that case though? The 360 is regarded as the best and it has the performance and battery problems caused by the old SoC, plus the flat tire that bothers a lot of people. Along with no OLED, always on display or ambient light sensor. The Sony Smartwatch 3 is interesting but inexplicably does not have a heart rate sensor. The fitness tracking on all of them apparently suck which means I wear a Fitbit Charge HR along with my smartwatch. You can have an always on all day OLED but no GPS or ambient light sensor. At this point there is no reason there has to be compromises on all the devices, it doesn't have to have GPS but it needs an accurate pedometer, after calibrating my Charge HR stride length it is accurate within a few percentage point both running and walking yet the Wear devices can't even accurately count steps. Sorry, everything out there is painfully obviously a first gen device, wait for second gen or buy the cheapest first gen, at least this close to the second gen.
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May 14, 2015 18:18
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The 360 has an ambient light sensor. That's part of why it has the flat tire.
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May 14, 2015 18:23
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butt dickus posted:The 360 has an ambient light sensor. That's part of why it has the flat tire. Yes but outdated SOC and no always on display.
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Thermopyle posted:Three Olives is always wrong. lol
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May 14, 2015 18:35
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Does it get all day battery life with ambient display now?
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May 14, 2015 18:36
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Three Olives posted:Does it get all day battery life with ambient display now? 
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Three Olives posted:Does it get all day battery life with ambient display now? I guess that answers my question.
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If you turn on ambient display and turn off tilt-to-wake you get a pretty reasonable battery life in my experience.
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butt dickus posted:He's right in that case though? The 360 is regarded as the best and it has the performance and battery problems caused by the old SoC, plus the flat tire that bothers a lot of people. I wouldn't call any of those "glaring" issues. It lasts all day with always on screen, and the flat tire thing is just a subjective issue. Sure, they all have issues, none of them are really objective glaring issues.
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You can say that all of the first gen Android devices are lacking in some way, but really you have price points ranging from $100 to $350. You have to expect that there is going to be a range of features and abilities. That's the Android ecosystem all over. I got the Asus Zenwatch for $150 (open box) and have been really happy with it so far. It would have been nice if it had GPS, a better heart rate monitor, and inductive charging instead of it's snap on cradle, but I can not complain about any of those for the price. I don't care about wifi on a watch at all until there is a feature that makes more use of it.
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May 14, 2015 19:24
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Thermopyle posted:I wouldn't call any of those "glaring" issues.
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May 14, 2015 19:25
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butt dickus posted:He said compromises, which is correct. The flat tire is a compromise to allow for the light sensor and thin bezel. The bad battery life is a compromise to keep it cheap. Those are the two biggest complaints with it. Still wouldn't call any of that "glaring".
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There's not a device that exists anywhere in any ecosystem that doesn't have a compromise in some form.
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It's not if it had any compromises, it's if they were "glaring" or not. That's entirely subjective, and Thermopyle and I disagree on the matter. That's probably why he bought one and I didn't!
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