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is star trek the one with the space gate thingy majig
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Confirming!
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Apr 24, 2015 10:38
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So here's my understanding of Q; he's Mister Mxyzptlk. He works at odds with the crew. He is an antagonist. Given that, I think it's not just fair to ask AXE COP for an explanation, but criminally negligent not to. He came in after I started asking for this, but hasn't responded to it yet and is in fact in my eyes letting the game pass him by. If that continues in a flavor-heavy game and for which his flavor is very likely 3P, that suggests e's playing against town and you don't let a 3P remain when they're playing against town. KFC is making a flavor argument, but he isn't really. He never says Q is good for the crew, or that it's beneficial to town to let him live. His argument is that Q is fun. f_v is dodging the fact that I'm not saying AC is Q so we need to lynch him, I'm saying AC is Q and isn't working with us which suggests an anti-town mentality. I think scum would wan to keep an openly revealed 3P in the game for confusion and cover down the road, and are jumping on the easy case of "let it play out, if you don't you're scummy." One of KFC or f_v is likely scum, and if AXE COP keeps on with this I'm going to vote him in about 12 hours.
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Apr 24, 2015 11:46
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Wanting to have fun in the first few hours of D1 isn't scummy, though.
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Apr 24, 2015 11:53
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And you're jumping to conclusions based on flavour, based on a limited understanding of TNG. What about that episode where Q has been kicked out of the continuum and needs the captains help? Maybe Q hasn't got any power in this game and is a survivor. Or the one where he makes Riker immortal? Maybe AXE COP's role is to find Riker, make him immortal and win the game for town. Maybe he can see everyone's alignment because he's pan-dimensional and is going to play chess with Picard the entire game because he can, only to get beaten because of his own hubris. Maybe flavour arguments are facile and you're an idiot.
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Apr 24, 2015 11:57
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Hi Byers! You seem super mad about me for some reason. I think you should chill out and relax a little man. I was asleep by the way, that's why I didn't reply to you 
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Apr 24, 2015 12:02
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jesus loving christ byers Q is probably a cool role so stop being a butt
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Apr 24, 2015 12:14
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AXE COP posted:relax a little man I read this as "relax, little man", and I approved of the Q-like phrasing
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Apr 24, 2015 12:16
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I'm looking forward to seeing who got Deanna Troi, and will pipe up after every scum flip to tell us that the lynchee was hiding something.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:18
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Scientastic posted:I read this as "relax, little man", and I approved of the Q-like phrasing Pretend I said this as well 
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Apr 24, 2015 12:24
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Scientastic posted:And you're jumping to conclusions based on flavour, based on a limited understanding of TNG. No, I'm really not. It's a special role, publicly identified. That requires special consideration. I didn't make a flavor argument until KFC brought it up. AXE COP posted:Hi Byers! You seem super mad about me for some reason. I think you should chill out and relax a little man. I was asleep by the way, that's why I didn't reply to you I'm not mad, I just want to know what your wincon is and any other role details you can share. I asked before you're entry post, did you not read anything last night? KhyrosFinalCut posted:You don't know poo poo about TNG, so you can be forgiven for not making this as a base assumption, but Q is by nature fun loving, mischivious and impervious to all mortal methods of coercion. There is nothing in arguments like these that pertains to this game.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:26
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I agree that AXE COP should give us some information, but to advocate lynching two players for not wanting to lynch Q is bad and stupid.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:42
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It is also almost completely irrelevant what AXE COP says his role is, he will be lying. And even knowing that, I won't be voting for him today. Even if he dayvigs someone.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:45
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Scientastic posted:I agree that AXE COP should give us some information, but to advocate lynching two players for not wanting to lynch Q is bad and stupid. Yes, it is. It's also not what I said. One is scum, one likely isn't as scum wouldn't put two eggs into that basket early so lynching both is asinine.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:48
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Scientastic posted:It is also almost completely irrelevant what AXE COP says his role is, he will be lying. I thought the game was "Mafia," not "fellate a fictional character." If you think this, you literally think he's an anti-town role. From a game perspective, why would you not even entertain the thought of a vote on AXE COP in that situation.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:51
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Because it'll be fun. Like voting for Lumpen regardless of alignment, it anomaly improve the game.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:53
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You caught me, i'm the scum godfather. Your exhaustive interrogation has crushed my defences and left me open... vulnerable... quivering 
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Apr 24, 2015 12:58
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Scientastic posted:Because it'll be fun. Like voting for Lumpen regardless of alignment, it anomaly improve the game. I see three wrong things in two sentences. AXE COP posted:You caught me, i'm the scum godfather. Your exhaustive interrogation has crushed my defences and left me open... vulnerable... quivering ##vote AXE COP
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Apr 24, 2015 12:59
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You know Q isn't getting dunked D1. Stop doing this.
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Apr 24, 2015 13:28
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Pinterest Mom posted:You know Q isn't getting dunked D1. Stop doing this. No. I refuse to accept that a minority of the game telling me that they're not going to play Mafia, they're going to let their special snowflake character do whatever he wants invalidates the fact that removing what looks like a 3P that is not acting from a town mentality is the right move. This is my hill to die on; we're playing a game, not crafting fanfic. So play the game.
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Apr 24, 2015 13:33
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I do like how my joke about trying to lynch an omnipotent being snowballed into a massive debate. Although, I almost want to try, just to see the flavor that results from it. The only problem is that will most likely be the same result as a no lynch. And while it would be interesting, it will ultimately be detrimental to not have a flip and voting record.
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Apr 24, 2015 13:39
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Byers2142 posted:No. I refuse to accept that a minority of the game telling me that they're not going to play Mafia, they're going to let their special snowflake character do whatever he wants invalidates the fact that removing what looks like a 3P that is not acting from a town mentality is the right move. This is a game with a wacky special role. I think everyone wants to see how it'll play out. You're just making GBS threads in the punch bowl.
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Apr 24, 2015 13:43
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Byers2142 posted:No. I refuse to accept that a minority of the game telling me that they're not going to play Mafia, they're going to let their special snowflake character do whatever he wants invalidates the fact that removing what looks like a 3P that is not acting from a town mentality is the right move. You're not playing mafia, either. You're jumping up and down demanding another player full claim. They aren't going to (Hmmmm, I wonder why someone wouldn't want to full claim Day 1?), so now instead of actually playing mafia you're trying to drum up a lynch on nothing. You say they aren't acting from a town mentality because they aren't going to claim to you? That's nuts. This is what we know about the role: Asiina posted:New people are welcome, but there is a very unusual, completely non-standard role in this game where the person will be required to play the game quite differently from a normal mafia game. It is not recommended for newer players or those looking for a more standard mafia experience. They have a non-standard role. We have no idea if they are scum, town, 3p, not actually a player, or anything else. You're stretching, between the above saying Axe Cop is already acting non-town and this Byers2142 posted:No, my immediate reaction is to ask that person what's going on with their unusual role. Ignoring that question, though, suggests a malicious intent, which is worth a vote D1. Yes, because there is no other reason a person wouldn't full claim on Day 1. Hey, question, what is your role again?
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Apr 24, 2015 13:53
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Pinterest Mom posted:This is a game with a wacky special role. I think everyone wants to see how it'll play out. You're just making GBS threads in the punch bowl. This is my point; you're not playing the game. No one has made a defense of AXE COP, everyone just wants to let the role survive without really knowing what the role is. He's a special wacky role and he's acting in an anti-town manner, and you want to, what, rando-lynch D1 and let him live? Because you care more about the role, the flavor, and the canon than about playing the game properly and winning.
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Apr 24, 2015 13:54
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chaoslord posted:You're not playing mafia, either. You're jumping up and down demanding another player full claim. They aren't going to (Hmmmm, I wonder why someone wouldn't want to full claim Day 1?), so now instead of actually playing mafia you're trying to drum up a lynch on nothing. You say they aren't acting from a town mentality because they aren't going to claim to you? That's nuts. This is what we know about the role: Confirmed town mason lover.
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Apr 24, 2015 13:55
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Byers2142 posted:they're going to let their special snowflake character do whatever he wants
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Apr 24, 2015 13:57
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I'm a beautiful pretty unique snowflake and there's nothing you can do about it. Don't hate me cus you ain't me
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Apr 24, 2015 14:29
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Byers2142 posted:KFC is making a flavor argument, but he isn't really. He never says Q is good for the crew, or that it's beneficial to town to let him live. His argument is that Q is fun. Uh. No, the fun is like, what I mentioned at the very end. As a supplement. You're misunderstanding or misrepresenting. If you want it in game mechanical terms. I'm saying that the chance of q having at least one layer of lynchproof/deathproof Is close to 100 percent, ergo threats designed to make him talk based on threat of lynch are going to be fruitless as will trying to lynch him, ergo loving around with this line of thought at all is actively bad for the town
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Apr 24, 2015 14:33
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this is like that episode when 
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Apr 24, 2015 15:05
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Q is, by mod admission "playing a different game of mafia" I am unsure how this results in, kill him because he is third party. Axe cop two questions, 1.) Can you make me a ferengi? 2.) Who should I vote for?
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Apr 24, 2015 15:09
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jesus byers
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Apr 24, 2015 15:10
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AXE COP posted:I'm a beautiful pretty unique snowflake and there's nothing you can do about it. This is why you should lynch AXE COP, and are being idiots for not. Not the role, the attitude. This is anti-town, but because you all get your panties wet over Q you're letting him get away with it. KhyrosFinalCut posted:Uh. No, the fun is like, what I mentioned at the very end. As a supplement. You're misunderstanding or misrepresenting. If you want it in game mechanical terms. I'm saying that the chance of q having at least one layer of lynchproof/deathproof Is close to 100 percent, ergo threats designed to make him talk based on threat of lynch are going to be fruitless as will trying to lynch him, ergo loving around with this line of thought at all is actively bad for the town So even though he's anti-town, which no one is arguing against, we just throw up our hands and let him do whatever. I do not, I can not accept that level of defeatism. It's sad that the Trekkies in this game have less moral fortitude than the Star Trek parody classic. You are either lazy, or cowards, and I won't fall into line with that. I live by a higher ideal. 
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Apr 24, 2015 15:23
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Why do you think I'm anti town?
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Apr 24, 2015 15:26
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Byers2142 posted:I think scum would wan to keep an openly revealed 3P in the game for confusion and cover down the road, and are jumping on the easy case of "let it play out, if you don't you're scummy." One of KFC or f_v is likely scum, and if AXE COP keeps on with this I'm going to vote him in about 12 hours. I don't think KFC is scum, he just comes across as a try hard star trek sperg atm. People always try to use flavor as a junk crutch but it may actually matter this game, and if it does I don't think a scum just goes balls out over it on d1.
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Apr 24, 2015 15:26
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Byers2142 posted:There is nothing in [flavor] arguments like these that pertains to this game. Wrong. Asiina in the goddamn OP posted:Flavour and alignment (and sometimes role) are quite heavily linked. Talking about your flavour may not be the best idea. Non-town players have been given fake flavour. Byers2142 posted:I think scum would wan to keep an openly revealed 3P in the game for confusion and cover down the road, and are jumping on the easy case of "let it play out, if you don't you're scummy." One of KFC or f_v is likely scum, and if AXE COP keeps on with this I'm going to vote him in about 12 hours. I think that scum would be the happiest to latch onto the easiest possible case of "let's go after the 3P," no casemaking required! Especially if they had reason to believe it would just waste the town's time while keeping him around. I guess you could say that Pushing for a lynch on Q gives scum (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) The Best of Both Worlds.
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Apr 24, 2015 15:27
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AXE COP posted:Why do you think I'm anti town? Asiina marked you out specially. You're something unique, but that uniqueness means you're likely not normal town. I asked you for your wincon and whatever you can supply about your role, and you dodged the question. Town would have been forthcoming, even a 3P that works with town would have been. Asiin's treatment of your role marks you as special. your actions (or lack thereof) marks you as anti-town.
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Apr 24, 2015 15:28
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:Wrong. Right. You weren't making an argument about alignment based on flavor in that post, you making an argument that the roles was fun. That has no bearing on the game.
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Apr 24, 2015 15:30
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##vote met
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Apr 24, 2015 15:35
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I can tell you that my current win condition is not particularly anti-town. Many things are subject to change however... 
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##vote KFC KFC I'm sorry I think someone switched out your brain with a jar of mustard 
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