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You know what we need? A modern antipope. The catholic church is in shambles and we all know that this care about the poor thing isn't gonna loving work, regardless of how good-intentioned or advisable it might otherwise be. We need a good old fashioned heresy to focus the church on, and what better one to use than one of my favorite as-of-yet-unused standbys, the idea that human beings are destined to evolve to become one with the godhead! I think it might go well with the current global sociopolitical zeitgeist. After all, the very foundation of the idea is clearly a cautiously optimistic respect of the havok we're allowed to wreak on natural processes. Lots of idiots feel like the world is spinning too fast "these days" and that our various tinkerings into natural forces are dangerously misguided. If a pope told 'em that its part of god's plan to immanentize the eschaton and that even ecological devastation can be cause for hope and joy, a lot of them'd eat it the gently caress up. Of course, the real conservatives would really hate it. There's no room for transhumanism in a traditionalist mind. That's where the antipope part comes in. There's no way the modern orthodoxy would allow this idea to flourish in the mid-term. The very next pope might do the latin word for making it a heresy, or there might even be a temporary and delicious pope/anti-pope split. That would be great because the catholic church desperately needs to be interesting for some reason other than pederasty. We could get the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith involved and EVERYTHING. Maybe even start a new... whatever they call inquisitions these days. I won't even explain why this would be baller as hell cuz its self-evident. The stones of castel'd'st'angelo could sure use a fresh layer of blood, pain, and injustice at the very least. So who's down? We got any cardinals up in here that would be willing to take one for the team? I know its a bit much to ask but you know this is a good idea, and besides that Teilhard II would be a kickass popename and if you played your cards right you might stand a decent chance of being sainted in the long term. Even if you couldn't manage sainthood it's still immortality via history for as long as the catholic church lasts. There's no difference between fame and infamy in that regard. And your church really does need you. Do right by it and God. Everyone else who agrees, head down to vatican bank and rub shoulders with whatever curia members are in your family's pockets. Persuade your local archbishop to stop loving boys for long enough to get something accomplished on this front. If you've got the cash but not the connections, fund the Jesuits in Teilhard's name. They're pretty kickass anyway. If you've got neither the money nor connections then why the gently caress you a catholic, lol, but you still have your god-given voice and will. Make use of them. Remember: it is the hand of the Beast which is in the decline of the modern church. Any who fight against that are blessed. As imperfect beings, we can only hope to work imperfectly. If a bit of discord must be sowed in working toward the preservation of a greater order, we must accept the task of sowing.
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There hasn't been a Teilhard I, as pope or antipope.
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Apr 29, 2015 21:59
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Apr 29, 2015 22:01
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there are a few antipopes already
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Apr 29, 2015 22:02
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Guarantee me Iron Maiden will base an album on my life and maybe we can talk.
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Apr 29, 2015 22:02
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Radical egalitarian results will come from the Christians or they won't come at all.
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Apr 29, 2015 22:03
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Effectronica posted:There hasn't been a Teilhard I, as pope or antipope. RIght but I figured the II would be a good nod to the original, given that his ideas would form the foundation of the heresy. It's a bit unorthodox but that's heresy for you. WhiskeyJuvenile posted:there are a few antipopes already All are the boring, lovely and more literal kind of antipope. That's not what we need. It would be best if we could get our antipope genuinely elected before he issued his heresy. That would be the most baller. He would only be antipope in retrospect. Papal authority is needed for this plan to work best, a hick from god-knows-where just rabble-rousing won't do at all. Captain_Maclaine posted:Guarantee me Iron Maiden will base an album on my life and maybe we can talk. If you are a cardinal, you've got a deal. If not, your price is too high.
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Apr 29, 2015 22:10
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They've been around for a while actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk0XdPb6FQE
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Apr 29, 2015 22:14
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Nathilus posted:All are the boring, lovely and more literal kind of antipope. That's not what we need. It would be best if we could get our antipope genuinely elected before he issued his heresy. That would be the most baller. He would only be antipope in retrospect. Papal authority is needed for this plan to work best, a hick from god-knows-where just rabble-rousing won't do at all. A Manchurian Pope?
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Apr 30, 2015 00:42
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Wasn't the Pope installed by Napoleon a bit of an illigitimate Pope? Its kinda funny that the head of an organization with no women in management has gone on the record about the gender/wage gap.
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Apr 30, 2015 01:01
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First order of business for the new pope should be to crown a new Holy Roman Emperor. There's no way they could do a worse job than Angela Merkel.
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Apr 30, 2015 02:01
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I'll do it. I'll volunteer to be the D&D-approved anti-pope. Amen will be re-translated as "Full Communism Now", and the new translation must be used in all masses. I will reward doners for their contribution to my campaign by offering one sainthood per $1M. You can choose to use this to become a saint upon your death or pick some other dead person to make a saint now, any patronage is acceptable. This is first come first serve; if someone else pays me $1M now and makes a patron saint of anime, you will not be able to make another.
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Apr 30, 2015 02:35
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Francis isn't really radical the way the media like to make him out to be, but he probably is already as progressive as you can get without a huge surge in sedevacantism.
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Apr 30, 2015 07:11
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There's only one antipope I care about.
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Apr 30, 2015 08:42
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So if the Pope and AntiPope touch do they explode
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Apr 30, 2015 10:48
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Dr Pepper posted:So if the Pope and AntiPope touch do they explode No but if things get bad enough they will excommunicate each other every day and then people will elect more antipopes! 
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Apr 30, 2015 10:54
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Will catholics be allowed to eat cheeseburgers on Friday in the new antipopodes? Hang them imo.
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Apr 30, 2015 15:27
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Arglebargle III posted:Will catholics be allowed to eat cheeseburgers on Friday in the new antipopodes? You can eat a cheeseburger whenever you want, man. Where have you been?
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Dr Pepper posted:So if the Pope and AntiPope touch do they explode Sorta. The antipope and pope themselves generally won't mutually annihilate but their masses interact until one's mass is worn away such that they are rendered ineffective. The scientific way of describing this kind of reaction is "There can be only one!".
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