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Ah, Watch_Dogs. I gave a lot of thoughts regarding the game, particularly on how they characterise Aiden, in a previous LP. Generally the same kind of 'there's a lot of good ideas/bits to this, but it doesn't come together right' feeling, because that's really where the game stumbles. Aiden as a anti-heroic vigilante doesn't mesh well enough with Aiden the (possibly) sociopathic cyber criminal, or the vengeful family man. Any one of those as the core focus could have worked, and occasionally you'll see it in particular missions that pretty firmly know which Aiden they're going with, but as an overall character with a supposed arc, our leading man just kinda ends up looking confused and bland, particularly if you've seen any 'mature' action film or show from the last decade or so. Though, as I work through the first video: The door that Aiden claims is unlocked from the other side has push handles facing Aiden. You know, the kind used on fire exits and stuff. How and why is a door like that locked from halfway across the next room? I know its minor, but it feels telling of so much of this game.
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So is there an actual reason why the devs didn't make Lena Aiden's daughter, rather than his niece? The more I think about it, the more it baffles me. Apologies if the answer is a spoiler.
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May 3, 2015 21:42
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I'm getting a "too many cooks spoil the broth" kind of feel from this game. Lots of good ideas but they're all conflicting and the final result is ruined by the compromises.
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May 3, 2015 21:47
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General Ironicus posted:Chicago has every football team right now and it's why I can't take the buses I want this weekend. Doesn't it also have the Bears?
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May 3, 2015 21:49
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SpeckledJim posted:So is there an actual reason why the devs didn't make Lena Aiden's daughter, rather than his niece? The more I think about it, the more it baffles me. I haven't played the game so I don't know if there's an actual reason, but I've been wondering this too. I can only assume the "renegade single dad" trope was in full swing because of The Last of Us, Bioshock, et al. Although they wanted a new take on it so they made Aiden an uncle, someone generally associated with only being seen on Thanksgiving and Christmas. This whole "birthday party" idea is outside an uncle's jurisdiction so it's understandable that he's reluctant to stop caning innocent civilians and riding his motorcycle into stores to attend.
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May 3, 2015 21:51
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SpeckledJim posted:So is there an actual reason why the devs didn't make Lena Aiden's daughter, rather than his niece? The more I think about it, the more it baffles me. FinalGamer posted:No see being the dad avenging a daughter is cliché and we are all about the new and edgy stuff so let's make him an uncle! This comment from the first page of the thread is probably the best answer you're going to get, because honestly, this is about the level of effort they put into the game.
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May 3, 2015 21:52
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baldurk posted:
I loved this writeup, but this is the part that's going to stay with me. Edited to add the image of Aiden's head texture. Kloro fucked around with this message at 21:58 on May 3, 2015 |
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May 3, 2015 21:53
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So essentially they browsed TV Tropes and figured "creativity" just involved doing the opposite?
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May 3, 2015 21:54
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SpeckledJim posted:So essentially they browsed TV Tropes and figured "creativity" just involved doing the opposite? Sounds like most TV Tropes users really.
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May 3, 2015 21:57
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Mr.Morgenstern posted:I'm getting a "too many cooks spoil the broth" kind of feel from this game. Looks of good ideas but they're all conflicting and the final result is ruined by the compromises.
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May 3, 2015 22:05
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Sounds like most TV Tropes users really. I think that's giving both groups a little too much credit. Most TV Tropes users just treat their website as a paint-by-numbers for writing.
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May 3, 2015 22:07
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SpeckledJim posted:So is there an actual reason why the devs didn't make Lena Aiden's daughter, rather than his niece? The more I think about it, the more it baffles me. Somebody probably surmised that gamers would be less sympathetic to Papa Aiden, blaming him for being criminal while a parent. As an uncle, there's a dodge where the child's close, while still being a random bystander to gangland revenge.
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May 3, 2015 22:11
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SpeckledJim posted:So is there an actual reason why the devs didn't make Lena Aiden's daughter, rather than his niece? The more I think about it, the more it baffles me. I heard somewhere that Aiden was originally designed to be Lena's dad, and his current sister was his wife early in development, with Lena's death being the wedge that had pushed "Mom" and "Dad" apart. Which appears to have been changed last minute. The dialogue as it is plays perfectly with Aiden being the deadbeat dad, as long as you ignore him constantly talking about his wife as "sister".
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May 3, 2015 22:17
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Bearpigman posted:This has to be the first time in over a year that the words "Watchdogs" and "Excited" unironically existed in my mind at the same time What about dogs wearing watches? That would be pretty awesome too.
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May 3, 2015 22:19
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Calax posted:I heard somewhere that Aiden was originally designed to be Lena's dad, and his current sister was his wife early in development, with Lena's death being the wedge that had pushed "Mom" and "Dad" apart. Does this mean we'll be dealing with weirdly inappropriate brother/sister dialogue?
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May 3, 2015 22:20
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SpeckledJim posted:Does this mean we'll be dealing with weirdly inappropriate brother/sister dialogue? No. Because if anything, Aiden is a-sexual at this point.
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May 3, 2015 22:22
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Calax posted:No. Because if anything, Aiden is a-sexual at this point. His true love is hacking.
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May 3, 2015 22:25
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Calax posted:No. Because if anything, Aiden is a-sexual at this point. I really do think that somewhere in Aiden's characterisation was meant to be some kind of neurosis, perhaps a degree of psychopathy. His behaviour would make some sense in a context where his capacity for empathy is actually limited, and not just an oversight of clumsy writing. Except then of course he's going around playing vigilante because of... reasons.
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May 3, 2015 22:30
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^^ His vigilante antics could easily be played into some sense of psychotic control, wanting to make the world make sense or feel powerful. Again there is a lot this game could have done narrative with its source material but it fails at every step.Lumberjack Bonanza posted:His true love is violence. ftfy
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May 3, 2015 22:37
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what do you think of vulkan and dx12, besides "long loving overdue"?
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May 3, 2015 22:37
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Stormgale posted:ftfy Hacking could be two things but I guess he's not into blades.
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May 3, 2015 22:38
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Aiden probably thinks murder is just a way of "hacking" into someone's wallet and personal effects.
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May 3, 2015 22:39
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I don't want to get too much into the later plot but Aiden does have a thing for power and violence... his character can only go down from here.
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May 3, 2015 22:40
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Wild Knight posted:I didn't actively turn on this game like everyone else did, but the game that came out was definitely less impressive than the initial teaser.
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May 3, 2015 22:58
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Mokinokaro posted:Yeah, that's the thing about Watch_Dogs, the gameplay segments are actually decent. Yeah, that's the big problem with Watch_Dogs I think. It isn't a genuinely bad game. It has some strong moments and at its worst it is Generic GTA Knockoff #9373 except for one or two real lovely moments. However everything except the core gameplay is... well, the LP'll show it off.
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May 3, 2015 23:16
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To be fair, it does also have one of the best minigames that a game like this has ever seen, though it gets a lot of points for sheer absurdity (and personally adds to my theory that Aiden would've worked as just a flat out supervillain).
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May 3, 2015 23:28
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, that's the big problem with Watch_Dogs I think. It isn't a genuinely bad game. It has some strong moments and at its worst it is Generic GTA Knockoff #9373 except for one or two real lovely moments. However everything except the core gameplay is... well, the LP'll show it off. And, y'know, it was hyped up as THE next-gen video game and wound up being a sub-par GTA clone straight outta the noughties. It was also done no favors by GTA V still being pretty fresh.
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May 4, 2015 00:02
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, that's the big problem with Watch_Dogs I think. It isn't a genuinely bad game. It has some strong moments and at its worst it is Generic GTA Knockoff #9373 except for one or two real lovely moments. However everything except the core gameplay is... well, the LP'll show it off. But with BITCOIN!
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May 4, 2015 00:04
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My ex-girlfriend used to work for ubisoft and I remember the stress of this game a few weeks before it came out. She was a QA tester. I don't speak to her anymore unfortunately so can't really hit her up for information bit I vividly remember her coming home and saying : "the trains just stop, and no one cares " Excited for this game to be torn apart by goons.
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Spiritus Nox posted:And, y'know, it was hyped up as THE next-gen video game and wound up being a sub-par GTA clone straight outta the noughties. It was also done no favors by GTA V still being pretty fresh.  Of course, then watchunderscoredogs got delayed.
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SpeckledJim posted:Does this mean we'll be dealing with weirdly inappropriate brother/sister dialogue? Hope they get to show off some of the alternate, non-conflict ways to solve some of the missions (ctOS stations especially) but I won't be surprised if they don't want to bother either. It's possible but generally much more trouble for much less XP.
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I hope Chip drives a giant spider in this game. I hope that very much. e: VVV I thought that the Best Part of this Bad Game was common knowledge. Sorry about that. Rip_Van_Winkle fucked around with this message at 01:58 on May 4, 2015 |
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Rip_Van_Winkle posted:I hope that very much. 
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Aidan Pierce is like what a 13 year old would think is a cool name for their DnD character, its like two steps away from Dirk Knifesteel.quote:Dirk Knifesteel graduated at the top of his class in swashbuckling assassin school, but even so he had always been something of an outsider. But now LaserDetroit, an old timey 1920s version of detroit, but in the future, was under attack, and the people who had made fun of Dirk during school were going to realize just how much he had learned about being an assassin... It was the year 1920. After man kind had gone so far into the future, they had to start re-using years that had already happened, and the city of LaserDetroit was entering an unparallelled period of productivity, closely parallelled by that of regular Detroit in the previous 20th century, only it wasn't cars they were producing... It was assassins. That quote might be a first draft of this games story.
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Midnight Voyager posted:And I'm pretty sure he borrowed that suit from Kazuma Kiryu. Oh man THAT is a crossover I would pay for.
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Pwnstar posted:Aidan Pierce is like what a 13 year old would think is a cool name for their DnD character, its like two steps away from Dirk Knifesteel. Not really? It's just a generic white guy name. It ain't got nothing on Jack Slate.
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May 4, 2015 03:20
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The name Aiden reeks millennial and would make perfect sense for a character born in the year 2005 who now lives in a high tech future. And then they go and set the game in 2013.
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May 4, 2015 03:35
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JT Jag posted:Yeah, I'm guessing there were too many ideas and there was probably some executive interference too. That and they put together a fancy gameplay demonstration that wasn't actually running on the console and raised expectations above what they were actually capable of delivering
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Augus posted:That and they put together a fancy gameplay demonstration that wasn't actually running on the console and raised expectations above what they were actually capable of delivering Yeah, that's some Peter Molyneux crap right there.
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Kurieg posted:Remember Me at least kept true to it's original thread. Sensen was created with absolutely no sense of accounting for the horrific abuses it would allow, and bringing it down is probably for the best. Nillin is conflicted about it, but realizes that since she's lost her memories and Edge isn't feeding her the whole story she has no way to go but forward. Nillin is aware that she's a hypocrite and tries to resolve it internally, and the degree to which Edge is a hypocrite is actually a huge plot point. That killer assassin who was hired to cut you? Just gently caress with her memory and make her think Sensen killed her boyfriend so she works for you, that's TOTALLY not manipulative at all and exactly what Sensen would do, if anything that really makes you worse because I don't remember Sensen rewiring memories so much as holding them for ransom. And then the lesson at the END with the whole moral about "hey maybe not gently caress with people's memories" is kinda bullshit because I had to do that the past six hours to know about that whilst actively knowing what I was doing is kinda hypocritical to the extreme. I mean if I was FIXING people's memories when they already got hosed up by either Sensen or even Nilin herself previously before all the plot happened, that would actually make it work instead. poo poo, if the entire game was fixing the memories I hosed up from my past experiences, that would be amazing AND still keep with the actual message at the end which we kinda knew all anyway, instead of being an actual blatant hypocrite to reach an ending about how all of this you did was stupid bullshit you should not have done, period. Oh no I agree Edge being a hypocrite was a great plot point, the problem is that EVERYBODY is a huge hypocrite so what really matterrrrrs...?  I'm sorry but I'm really putting this game in the same boat as Remember Me as a great concept poorly executed by its story and motivation. Accordion Man posted:Scrooge could also kick Aiden's pasty white rear end with his eyes closed and his arms tied behind his back. Scrooge could kick anybody's rear end. FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 04:17 on May 4, 2015 |
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