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Moridin920 posted:Yeah but just because someone is a woman doesn't mean she represents a feminist viewpoint. quote:A reasonable feminist (based on actual feminist leaders and their works) would say you should be allowed to wear whatever the gently caress you want regardless of sex or gender.
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Giblet Plus! posted:Agreed. However, even among feminists, how many of them date men who dress in an unconventional way? Can you think of any examples from your personal experience? i cannot even imagine a line of thinking that could result in you arriving at this conclusion 
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May 14, 2015 22:04
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if you identify as an MRA you commit the gravest of sins, being fanatical about something
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May 14, 2015 22:05
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Giblet Plus! posted:Agreed. However, even among feminists, how many of them date men who dress in an unconventional way? Can you think of any examples from your personal experience? Uh, literally like all my friends? Have you ever been to a large city? I have dude friends that wear some outlandish poo poo and are drowning in feminist pussy. Also, I know tons of non-gender conforming women who are swimming in dick too. Sorry you live in normcoreville USA i guess? himajinga fucked around with this message at 22:07 on May 14, 2015 |
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assuming the weird internet nutjobs you occasionally see yelling about inane poo poo are representative of mras as a whole, the problem with mras is that they attribute problems caused by politicians and corporations to random, unrelated women, solely because they are sexually frustrated. hope this lazy seriouspost helps, op
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hi im your genetic and intellectual superior so do you want to go out sometime? why is every girl a goddamn feminazi bitch! friendzoned again!
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OP: MRAs believe in a thought structure that utilized something called "Confirmation Bias" hope this helps good luck have fun
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May 14, 2015 22:07
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himajinga posted:Uh, literally like all my friends? Have you ever been to a large city? I have dude friends that wear some outlandish poo poo and are drowning in feminist pussy. How unconventional? Like skirts and leggings level unconventional? Or just different cuts and colors?
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May 14, 2015 22:08
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lmao are there actual mras posting itt. there are arent there
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Giblet Plus! posted:Agreed. However, even among feminists, how many of them date men who dress in an unconventional way? Can you think of any examples from your personal experience? a lot of bad outfits hth
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like, the people who are most conservative regarding the way males dress are people who live in areas that also have conservative values regarding family life. feminists usually live in large cities where people care far loving less about how one another dress. go to portland some time, where every man dresses gay as poo poo and every woman is a giant feminist. i just can't understand how someone can be this oblivious.
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Unrelated to the discussion, the two years since I've been considering myself an active feminist have contained more sex-having than the entire time I was alive before that. It's weird how women want to gently caress you more when you treat them like equal human beings. The irony for me is that if MRAs accepted that equality is a good thing and treated women as peers instead of gently caress targets, they would start getting all this sex they have been denied their entire lives
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Giblet Plus! posted:Agreed. However, even among feminists, how many of them date men who dress in an unconventional way? Can you think of any examples from your personal experience? Can I see a picture of undateable unconventional guy clothing you'd like to wear? Also a pic of the women's that is acceptable. It will save this thread, promise.
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Giblet Plus! posted:How unconventional? Like skirts and leggings level unconventional? Or just different cuts and colors? have you ever taken public transit in a city of any meaningful size
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May 14, 2015 22:09
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Giblet Plus! posted:Agreed. However, even among feminists, how many of them date men who dress in an unconventional way? Can you think of any examples from your personal experience? I kind of see your point, and I will say that I think most 'feminists' are just white women who want to be able to have careers and don't give a poo poo about minority rights at all (my gf's mom is one of those). However I might not be the best person to ask re unconventional dress because I live in CA and my friends are not really a conventional bunch to begin with. One of my friends (who is a girl) has had a birthday party which was a theme costume party and the theme was crossdressing. One of my guy friends got all weirded out and refused to go, most of us just wore some basic make up + a dress, a couple did it to the nines and shaved everything, wore women's underwear, etc. It was all in good fun and no one gave a poo poo at all except the one dude who refused to just wear a wig and a dress over his regular clothes and all he got was some light friendly ribbing like you'd expect from a friendly game of Smash Bros or something. It's just clothes  By the end of the night most of us were half naked in the pool (lotta tits on display  )If you're really concerned about being able to express yourself however you want I'd think you'd be on board with the feminist and/or LBGT (I always forget all the letters in that acronym) movement. I mean yeah you're not going to attract conventional people dressed unconventionally (for the most part, some people just like different poo poo) but that doesn't necessarily mean boots jeans and a button up shirt either. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 22:15 on May 14, 2015 |
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Giblet Plus! posted:How unconventional? Like skirts and leggings level unconventional? Or just different cuts and colors? Yeah i have dude friends who sometimes wear dresses and drapey stuff with leggings or just leggings and like a gigantic slouchy tanktop, all kinds of poo poo\ but yeah, post something you'd like to wear that you feel like women are preventing you from wearing, I'm being serious here
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May 14, 2015 22:10
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Ambrose Burnside posted:have you ever taken public transit in a city of any meaningful size lol poor
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If I can't get laid wearing Wranglers and a flannel shirt something is deeply wrong with society.
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Cubey posted:go to portland some time, where every man dresses gay as poo poo and every woman is a giant feminist. I took the empire builder there last summer and stayed at a tiny house. I didn't think men dressed particularly different there.
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Moridin920 posted:
yeah, feminism literally wants you to be able to wear whatever the gently caress you want so idk why not being able to wear what you want because misogynists and homophobes will hate you or beat you up is a knock against feminsm
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Ambrose Burnside posted:lmao are there actual mras posting itt. there are arent there Yes and we're going to try to understand. Sit down
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himajinga posted:Yeah i have dude friends who sometimes wear dresses and drapey stuff with leggings or just leggings and like a gigantic slouchy tanktop, all kinds of poo poo\ quote:but yeah, post something you'd like to wear that you feel like women are preventing you from wearing, I'm being serious here I would like to have shoulder length hair, but this would most likely block me from full time employment in my field of expertise. I would like to be able to wear things other than polos, long sleeve shirts, and dress pants in a work environment.
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himajinga posted:Yeah i have dude friends who sometimes wear dresses and drapey stuff with leggings or just leggings and like a gigantic slouchy tanktop, all kinds of poo poo\ Not to say that trying something outlandish clothing-wise isn't scary a little, I mean putting yourself out there is always scary, but I have a lot of respect for people that just do their own thing and try to live up to that standard when I can and be open to people trying new things especially since it's not hurting anyone
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Politics is to a great extent a zero sum game. If you grab good stuff for your own group someone else will have less. If you want to be MRA you have to accept that your sucess can only come by making women`s life worse. It`s the same for feminist women but they have much worse starting point so it`s impossible to be upset about it. Can you live with it?
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normcore MRAs with dadbods
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Giblet Plus! posted:That's cool, the point I'm making is that those options should be available to everyone, not just younger men living in hip urban areas. totally, I 100% agree with you and that's a thing that feminism addresses
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May 14, 2015 22:17
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Giblet Plus! posted:I would like to have shoulder length hair, but this would most likely block me from full time employment in my field of expertise. I would like to be able to wear things other than polos, long sleeve shirts, and dress pants in a work environment. actual feminists feel the same way and want you to have those options
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Giblet Plus! posted:That's cool, the point I'm making is that those options should be available to everyone, not just younger men living in hip urban areas. Yeah but is that because feminists don't like it or because narrow minded bigots don't like it? Dressing professionally for work is a different conversation imo and it varies wildly depending on the job or office you're at. At my office I wear sweat pants and sandals most of the time.
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City of Tampa posted:normcore MRAs with dadbods
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Giblet Plus! posted:That's cool, the point I'm making is that those options should be available to everyone, not just younger men living in hip urban areas. real, definitely not fake problems
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City of Tampa posted:normcore MRAs with dadbods I think that's actually a show that's happening this weekend
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Giblet Plus! posted:I would like to have shoulder length hair, but this would most likely block me from full time employment in my field of expertise. I would like to be able to wear things other than polos, long sleeve shirts, and dress pants in a work environment. it isnt the long hair per se that looks bad during the hiring process- its the perceived inability to conform or resistance to collaboration at the basest level it has nothing to do with gender issues
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himajinga posted:totally, I 100% agree with you and that's a thing that feminism addresses Paineopticon posted:actual feminists feel the same way and want you to have those options So what's wrong with the MRA movement addressing it as well? Moridin920 posted:Yeah but is that because feminists don't like it or because narrow minded bigots don't like it?
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cthulusnewzulubbq posted:it isnt the long hair per se that looks bad during the hiring process- its the perceived inability to conform or resistance to collaboration If that's so, how come the same isn't true for women with short hair?
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May 14, 2015 22:21
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Giblet Plus! posted:If that's so, how come the same isn't true for women with short hair? because it's common are you being this dense on purpose
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May 14, 2015 22:23
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Giblet Plus! posted:So what's wrong with the MRA movement addressing it as well? they don't? pretty much every MRA anything I've ever read is more about saying that women either don't have it worse or sometimes have it better than men while conveniently ignoring that the problems men face about this issue are products of the patriarchy which MRAs purport does not exist
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May 14, 2015 22:23
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Giblet Plus! posted:So what's wrong with the MRA movement addressing it as well? and maybe the local skinheads can join in for their correct broken clock moment and it will surely show that there is some merit to their organization too Giblet Plus! posted:At most offices, if a man wears shorts (equivalent to a women wearing a skirt), they will be talking to a woman in the HR office. tbs -very funny
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May 14, 2015 22:24
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Moridin920 posted:I kind of see your point, and I will say that I think most 'feminists' are just white women who want to be able to have careers and don't give a poo poo about minority rights at all (my gf's mom is one of those). huh my crossdressing party ended up the same way
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himajinga posted:they don't? pretty much every MRA anything I've ever read is more about saying that women either don't have it worse or sometimes have it better than men while conveniently ignoring that the problems men face about this issue are products of the patriarchy which MRAs purport does not exist gary oldmans diary posted:go right ahead
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