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Really, the problem with any redesign of the game is that the world that Dante inhabits doesn't make a lick of goddamned sense. If your description of the world goes beyond 'sometimes there are demons', then you're probably thinking too hard about it and ultimately missing the point. Trying to incorporate any kind of political or even social commentary into a game where motorcycles are a close-combat weapon and you can hyper-accelerate the sword you just hurled at a monster by shooting bullets at it and then run really fast to catch up to it because that's just how goddamned cool you are is a fundamental mismatch. All I really want from the franchise is for them to have just enough plot to string together some awesome pseudo-gothic environments and have a ton of stuff for me to slaughter throughout. It's just rather frustrating to hear Capcom say 'if we wanted that we'd do it ourself' when that's exactly what everyone wanted in the first place.
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I mean you're doing Dante wrong if he's not that dude who'd show up at your party and make it 100% more awesome until demons attacked.
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May 20, 2015 01:02
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Or 100% even more awesome BECAUSE demons attacked.
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May 20, 2015 01:03
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And he brought pizza
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May 20, 2015 01:04
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Feinne posted:I mean you're doing Dante wrong if he's not that dude who'd show up at your party and make it 100% more awesome until demons attacked. Then it'd get 1000% more awesome, assuming you survive.
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May 20, 2015 01:06
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tlarn posted:And he brought pizza The two DMC certainties; 1) Dante being rad. 2) Dante bringing a slice. 
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May 20, 2015 01:09
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Pesky Splinter posted:The two DMC certainties; 3) Dante getting impaled by his own sword
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May 20, 2015 01:13
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tlarn posted:And he brought pizza Totally worth it though. Glad to see DMC 4 is getting done! I like DMC 3 Dante the best and it's interesting to see how Dante plays off of another Protagonist kinda-sorta like him, as someone said earlier 'hot vs. hot' rather than 'hot vs. cold.'
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Pesky Splinter posted:The two DMC certainties; See, if it were a reboot, I'd be OK with a different characterization of Dante with different features, as long as it were handled well. Dante doesn't have to be the universally stylish character with all the associated symbols and injokes etc that the series has built into him thus far. The problem is that the reboot that we did get was terrible, not that it was different. Speaking of which: Rigged Death Trap posted:Arguably no. You're right- I missed the fact that he's dual-wielding snub revolvers.
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May 20, 2015 01:44
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Dreadful_Dinosaur posted:I was always under the impression that Hell and Hell was the highest difficulty setting for this game? It's debatable whether Hell and Hell is a tougher difficulty than Dante Must Die. If the enemies in Hell and Hell were set to Dante Must Die mode level I would think of it as the highest difficulty, but they are only set to Son of Sparda mode. You can tell because they don't Devil Trigger and because Dante's boss moveset is missing certain weapons he uses on DMD mode (Pandora and Lucifer iirc). In addition, while the gimmick of Hell and Hell is supposed to be that you can't get hit, they give you 3 Gold Orbs and refill them every level, so it's more like you can take 3 hits and still finish the level. Every hit just has a long death/revive animation attached because the Gold Orbs are used automatically. Some people prefer Hell and Hell mode but I prefer Dante Must Die mode.
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May 20, 2015 02:04
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Now I kinda wish that the health in this game was represented by pizza rather then green orbs. It's really nice to see this LP back though.
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May 20, 2015 02:12
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Pesky Splinter posted:The two DMC certainties; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEFK_O4CF0U
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May 20, 2015 02:23
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I'm glad they're releasing an update to this game. I will buy it again. I look forward to playing Lady.
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May 20, 2015 04:34
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It is interesting how things work in the main game, Lady can play Nero's levels (since she can also use Grim Grips), Trish can play Dante's, and Vergil can do anything. This according to a preview thing I was watching earlier after getting disgusted at one of those DmC videos someone linked earlier. Having the option of Trish in Dante's sections is super useful for people who aren't quite as awesome at the game exactly because she doesn't have a million options like Dante.
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May 20, 2015 04:42
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Yeah, I felt ...adequate with DMC3 Dante because the only thing you were juggling was two guns or two weapons. DMC4 Dante has everything at his fingertips at any time and I felt overwhelmed trying to get to grips with it. I could never beat the last Nero stage on Son of Sparda difficulty, so I never even got to try Dante on something harder than Normal.
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May 20, 2015 05:00
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You mean the pope fight? I found the key to fighting the pope on the higher difficulties was to learn Nero's back->forward air dash slash, because with level 3 exceed it would pop his bubble in a single good hit.
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May 20, 2015 05:02
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Feinne posted:It is interesting how things work in the main game, Lady can play Nero's levels (since she can also use Grim Grips), Trish can play Dante's, and Vergil can do anything. This according to a preview thing I was watching earlier after getting disgusted at one of those DmC videos someone linked earlier. I don't think it works quite like that. The Lady / Trish campaign seems to be separate from the Nero / Dante one.
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Sir Ilpalazzo posted:I don't think it works quite like that. The Lady / Trish campaign seems to be separate from the Nero / Dante one. Oh? Possible, I just caught them saying they had the split thing going. It's entirely possible it's a different actual split than Nero/Dante's. I'm just assuming it's basically the same because Lady can use Grim Grips and Trish can't so it'd be logical for Lady to go through Nero's version of levels while Trish goes through Dante's. It would make sense for there to be some alterations just to account for the different ability sets and potential for collectibles to be inaccessible or sections that are more difficult than intended for the given characters.
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Sir Ilpalazzo posted:I don't think it works quite like that. The Lady / Trish campaign seems to be separate from the Nero / Dante one. It would be pretty neat if Trish had an alternate moveset a la Dante's style system that allowed her to switch between normal and her 'Order of the Sword' disguise.
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Oh my god I'm so excited for this LP to be back! Also I was thinking about the levels where you play as Lady. Just what the gently caress is she going to do about bosses that require Busters to be feasible? I'm mainly speaking of the final one, since the only way to do real damage past a certain threshold is by countering with Busters. Raruna fucked around with this message at 09:59 on May 20, 2015 |
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May 20, 2015 08:51
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Sir Ilpalazzo posted:I don't think it works quite like that. The Lady / Trish campaign seems to be separate from the Nero / Dante one. Actually, from the recorded streams it sounds like they are the same campaign, same levels and such. They even specifically mentioned Lady's grapple will be used for Nero's snatch ability sections.
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Think of Nero/Dante and Lady/Trish as separate characters. You choose one combo at the start and go through the campaign with them.
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Where does Vergil come in, then?
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Sir Ilpalazzo posted:I don't think it works quite like that. The Lady / Trish campaign seems to be separate from the Nero / Dante one. Lady will be playable on Nero’s missions only, Trish will be playable on Dante’s missions only, Vergil will be playable on any mission. Source from capcom-unity anilEhilated posted:Where does Vergil come in, then? "The Vergil mode is set prior to the events of DMC3." Source from Greg Moore, Senior Community and Online Specialist at Capcom
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anilEhilated posted:Where does Vergil come in, then? He's on his own, he doesn't trade off with other characters. Basically there's 3 characters you can choose, and two of them are a combo team that trades off.
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May 20, 2015 14:44
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I'd assume Vergil's version is going to explain a Certain Thing.
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Feinne posted:I'd assume Vergil's version is going to explain a Certain Thing. Like banging Nero's mom? I'm guessing this isn't a spoiler since AC put it in the LP herself.
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Is the Special Edition going to add any new levels or set pieces to the game? I always thought the characters and gameplay were great, it's just that the actual game they were in is lacking somewhat. Adding more characters is cool but I'd rather have more game to go along with them.
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Onmi posted:Like banging Nero's mom? I'm guessing this isn't a spoiler since AC put it in the LP herself. Also his opening cutscene has a Mysterious Woman looking at him with deep interest. They're just gonna solidify who Nero's pop is.
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A Curvy Goonette posted:Is the Special Edition going to add any new levels or set pieces to the game? I always thought the characters and gameplay were great, it's just that the actual game they were in is lacking somewhat. Adding more characters is cool but I'd rather have more game to go along with them. Well Vergil does give them an excuse to have some different stuff in principle given it's apparently set in the past.
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Sindai posted:You mean the pope fight? I found the key to fighting the pope on the higher difficulties was to learn Nero's back->forward air dash slash, because with level 3 exceed it would pop his bubble in a single good hit. I played through SoS on 360 in Automatic mode once, and this fight was the hardest in the game. I don't know if it's a bug or a daft design decision, but Nero never did any kind of air combo against Sanctus, he would always just do a Split, the air-to-ground chop, which misses him completely. Only thing in the game that made me toss my controller. McKilligan posted:It would be pretty neat if Trish had an alternate moveset a la Dante's style system that allowed her to switch between normal and her 'Order of the Sword' disguise. Gloria will be an alternate costume for Trish, you get it from pre-ordering. Lady gets one too, her DMC3 outfit. Cradok fucked around with this message at 16:55 on May 20, 2015 |
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ImpAtom posted:Also his opening cutscene has a Mysterious Woman looking at him with deep interest. They're just gonna solidify who Nero's pop is. Speed dating featuring Vergil and Neromom would be something I never knew I wanted in a stylish action game.
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A Curvy Goonette posted:Is the Special Edition going to add any new levels or set pieces to the game? I always thought the characters and gameplay were great, it's just that the actual game they were in is lacking somewhat. Adding more characters is cool but I'd rather have more game to go along with them. The steam install for the SE is more than 3x the size of the original port, but the textures don't look different, so I'd bet that's just uncompressed assets since they no longer need to fit it on a DVD. Sindai fucked around with this message at 00:36 on May 21, 2015 |
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Just started the LP over again from video 1 to refresh my memory, and man, i forgot how well choreographed and packed with neat little stuff all the cutscenes are. The way Dante just coolly and wordlessly taunts Nero by doing the little revving motion on Alaster(?) in mission one is soooo gooood.
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I too just started the lp over again, and I cannot believe I never noticed that Kyrie's brother is Frank West.
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HenryEx posted:Just started the LP over again from video 1 to refresh my memory, and man, i forgot how well choreographed and packed with neat little stuff all the cutscenes are. That is the Rebellion. I don't think Dante ever uses the Alastor after DMC1.
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HenryEx posted:Just started the LP over again from video 1 to refresh my memory, and man, i forgot how well choreographed and packed with neat little stuff all the cutscenes are. I do honestly love that cutscene, Nero is just hopelessly outclassed and Dante is just loving with him for kicks. And then Nero just looses his cool and just begins punching him in the face, and Dante just says "well that was fun, time for me to get back to work. See you around kid!"
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You do realize (probably not) that I wasn't even living in Seattle before you abandoned this thread? This thread has literally followed me halfway across the country. This thread has survived a gnarly breakup. This thread is now a part of my history that I can gleefully come full circle on. Thank you. Accountnightmare, for allowing me to close this chapter of my life... 
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David D. Davidson posted:I do honestly love that cutscene, Nero is just hopelessly outclassed and Dante is just loving with him for kicks. I like to view it as Uncle Dante just checking up on his nephew.
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 New video!  I know you're all keen for Mission 13 but we never finished Nero's LDK missions! This mode really is an absurd amount of fun. Youtube's re-encoding seems to have some trouble around the forest area, though.
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