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http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/civil/heres-where-cancer-fund-of-america-donations-went-while-dying-kids-got/2230231 tl;dr: Guy and his son bilk hundreds of millions of dollars from people claiming they are running a charity for kids with cancer. They ended up doing things like this: quote:The Cancer Fund approved one [telemarketing] script saying it never wanted to have to tell a family that it couldn't provide a wig for a child with hair loss because fund-raising goals had fallen short. In fact, the fund did not have a program to provide wigs for children in chemotherapy. and quote:According to the complaint, donations intended for the sick paid for "extravagant insider benefits,'' including cars, college tuition, gym memberships, concert tickets, a Caribbean cruise and trips to Las Vegas and other touristy locales. and quote:
Forget about how evil these two fuckers are:   obviously "being an evil person" is not against the law. But every article I've read about them mention nothing about jail time. But someone does this and receives prison time. Don't get me wrong, fraudulent coupons is something that should be (and is) a crime. I am just wondering what I am missing here. The people defrauded aren't even going to get their money back, and the government said they know they aren't going to get 1/200th of the money back. Speaking of the government, one of the "farewell" messages on the fake cancer charity websites is loving hilarious and takes balls of steel: http://www.breastcancersociety.org/ (and the best part, in case they remove it, which they would be smart to do): quote:Charities – including some of the world’s best-known and reputable organizations – are increasingly facing the scrutiny of government regulators in the U.S. The Breast Cancer Society (TBCS) is no exception. Unfortunately, as our operations expanded – all with the goal of serving more patients – the threat of litigation from our government increased as well. There were numerous reports about them for literal years, and just now the US government finally did something about it. What a useless bunch. I once knew a guy who got thrown in prison for eBay fraud. But fake charities for kids with cancer? Nope! Nothing. lmfbo .
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freedom of speech imo what they do with that money is up to them
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May 21, 2015 18:45
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gently caress jail time they should get lashes in a public square for that
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once you make the first few million you start to get the special privileges that's how the USA works  alice walton killed some dude while driving drunk and didn't get charged with anything. later she drove drunk and crashed again and the prosecutor's office just let the statute of limitations expire and then the arrest was expunged from court records because of a court order. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 18:58 on May 21, 2015 |
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May 21, 2015 18:47
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Stealing stops being a crime once you're stealing from enough people at once. That's why they'll send you to jail for stealing a tv but if you deprive an entire generation well then you're an innovator.
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May 21, 2015 18:47
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Slipknot Hoagie posted:gently caress jail time they should get lashes in a public square for that Again, there's nothing illegal about being a piece of poo poo. But I am wondering how this is any different than someone who rips off an old lady or those people who send e-mails claiming they need to send over $20,000 so they can get their relative back from vacation (both are scenarios where people have rightfully been jailed for). Like why them and not these people is what I am saying. Was it some weird legal loophole where because he sent little Debbie snack cakes to cancer patients he legally fulfilled his obligation or some poo poo like that?
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May 21, 2015 18:48
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godamn I haven't had little debbie snack in years
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May 21, 2015 18:49
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Moridin920 posted:once you make the first few million you start to get the special privileges Yeah but I don't even think these guys bribed anyone because according to the government, they spent it all (read: it's hidden in the Cayman Islands/under a mattress)
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Melmac posted:Yeah but I don't even think these guys bribed anyone because according to the government, they spent it all (read: it's hidden in the Cayman Islands/under a mattress) wheres the mattres, Iam going to flip it over and take the money 
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May 21, 2015 18:51
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Melmac posted:The Cancer Fund approved one [telemarketing] script saying it never wanted to have to tell a family that it couldn't provide a wig for a child with hair loss because fund-raising goals had fallen short. In fact, the fund did not have a program to provide wigs for children in chemotherapy. Genius! The surest way to never have to tell a family you can't provide a wig for children with hairloss is to never provide them in the first place. Goons, please donate money to me, I never want to have to tell a homeless child that I can't take them to Disneyland!
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May 21, 2015 18:52
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in gray areas like this, someone should just kill them
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May 21, 2015 18:53
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THE DOG HOUSE posted:in gray areas like this, someone should just kill them The Navy Seal who killed Osama bin Laden would be perfect for this, even if he got caught the president or whoever could just pardon him.
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The Tampa Bay Times did a really good series of articles about terrible charities. They ran two years ago, but the third one covers the charities in the OP. http://www.tampabay.com/topics/specials/worst-charities1.page http://www.tampabay.com/topics/specials/worst-charities2.page http://www.tampabay.com/topics/specials/worst-charities3.page
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You've come to the right place SA Forums user Melmac; we (GBS denizens), will get to the bottom of this forthwith, and get back to you with the results. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
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Kuato posted:You've come to the right place SA Forums user Melmac; we (GBS denizens), will get to the bottom of this forthwith, and get back to you with the results. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. No I was just wondering from a legal standpoint. I know goons aren't going to unleash this story to the masses or whatever you're on about. lol Wow the article is only from 2 years ago, what a speedy response US government 
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Melmac posted:No I was just wondering from a legal standpoint. I know goons aren't going to unleash this story to the masses or whatever you're on about. lol It's all over the news already, saw it on CNN today. Anyways, doesn't the FTC just have fining capability, they have to refer it to DoJ for criminal jailtimey stuff?
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Melmac posted:No I was just wondering from a legal standpoint. I know goons aren't going to unleash this story to the masses or whatever you're on about. lol it takes two years to convict someone of a dwi, im surprised it took that LITTLE time
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im glad you posted this because i waqs jsut about to give this thing wot you posted some money
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Melmac posted:No I was just wondering from a legal standpoint. I know goons aren't going to unleash this story to the masses or whatever you're on about. lol "board of directors" just doin as directed, and "corporation is divested of money, and you cant jail it bitch you bitch"
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May 21, 2015 19:11
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I would never donate to a single charity unless I had personally set it up and even then I'd be iffy about it cause there's always some dickbag or another out to divert stuff to themselves when no one is looking, because people will pat them on the back either way for being a part of it at all.
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May 21, 2015 19:12
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basically, one of these things is made up of jail-able bodies and the other is a fart in the wind to be punished by paying money it doesn't have anymore.
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Darth123123 posted:It's all over the news already, saw it on CNN today. Anyways, doesn't the FTC just have fining capability, they have to refer it to DoJ for criminal jailtimey stuff? I know there's due process and all that but I actually think nothing they did is an actual crime (that would land anyone in jail). I have been pouring over articles and not a single one of them mentioned the possibility of any criminal charges. Literally scamming cancer kids out of money and people you solicit out of money and people who use fake gift cards get thrown in jail lmbo
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"you guys we just need to eliminate welfare and social security and that way charities can step in to fill the blanks" - actual GOP party position
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my go to emergency not be homeless plan is to hold up a sign for march of dimes. i remember doing that in college and holy poo poo the amount of money we got at a street corner was amazing. shame we had to actually donate it black people loved a white kid dancing like a retard so even they opened their wallets
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May 21, 2015 19:19
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Charity is for pussies anyway.
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Melmac posted:I know there's due process and all that but I actually think nothing they did is an actual crime (that would land anyone in jail). I have been pouring over articles and not a single one of them mentioned the possibility of any criminal charges. hence, the corporate veil; these people play board of directors musical chairs and you can't get blood from stone or throw the corp. in prison and i'm gonna say these are probably close corps, not publicly traded, not subject to the scrutiny of SEC and related fraud laws, etc etc men have weak man flesh which may be confined.... corporations have money as lifeblood and sometimes that money just all spent up if you're trying to go individually after BOD members you have to prove more (pierced the corporate hymen/veil, can be said to be acting for their own interests instead of the corps and therefore do not act as the corp. this costs of course more money and time and is onerous for the DOJ unless they got a slamdiggitydunk. they have to use their time and money accordingly and unfortunately jailing business shits under criminal laws just doesn't make the kind of cash actions against the corporation would, if it had money. there are.... extrajudicial methods available to be used by anybody enterprising and LF enough to accept maoism third worldism also, lol @ buying kias... "WE BOUGHT REASONABLY PRICED BUSINESS CARS"
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shame on you grandpa from the wonder years
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no jailtime. so what
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p.s.a., if, you want to help people, with your money, and are dissuaded by stories like this: there's independent charity watchdog organizations, that track where the money goes, effectiveness of programs, transparency, allegations of criminal activity, etc. poo poo like that, trying to make it super easy to avoid poo poo fuckers like the dudes in the op http://www.give.org/ http://www.charitynavigator.org/ http://www.givewell.org/ https://www.charitywatch.org/ of course all of these organizations, are organizations, and therefore probably also susceptible to corruption, so, cross-reference, etc. etc. you went to school you know how to do research but i'd say it only takes like maybe 15 minutes to get a pretty good idea of whether or not whatever organization you're considering donating to is on the level.     yeah. i think, like, maybe people aren't aware of this, probably? or they don't care and just get the immediate benefit of feeling good about donating regardless of whether it actually matters, but i prefer to think they just aren't aware. 
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fraud = free speech buyer beware!
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Because they haven't got that far yet. You have to build a case, try, and convict people before the jail time.
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Cubone posted:p.s.a., if, you want to help people, with your money, and are dissuaded by stories like this: ehh I don't give a gently caress about cancer I just want to see rich scumlords getting their heads removed in the streets.
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thank you for raising awareness op, i just donated $50 to the charity you linked, just doing my part to make the world a better place #pinkribbon
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cancer charities interfere with gods plan to kill these children these men are doing the lords work
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I am not sure how it works in the US. Here in Canada registered charities must submit an annual charity return (T3010) which is a detailed package of forms outlining what activities the charity does, how it raises funds, where these funds come from, as well as allocation of expenses etc. The results from these forms are then made public and presented in easy to read charts . You can see them at the CRA (Canada Revenue Agency) website http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/lstngs/menu-eng.html . Of course you can lie on these forms, but you'll probably get audited at some point.
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Ramulack posted:I am not sure how it works in the US. Here in Canada registered charities must submit an annual charity return (T3010) which is a detailed package of forms outlining what activities the charity does, how it raises funds, where these funds come from, as well as allocation of expenses etc. Sounds like Canada isn't very business friendly.
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Givers not knowing where their moneys going as sinful as throwing away
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May 22, 2015 13:43
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good. survival of the fittest.
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Most charities suck. If you want to give and know it's going to be put to good use, especially for cancer patients, give to your local Hospice center.
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Why don't you take the law into your own hands and burn their house down if it bothers you so much
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