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gender illusionist posted:i wish you'd been included in that lol :iamafag:
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Beef Turret posted:It's kinda insane that 12 million christians died in the soviet union because they lived in a state atheistic society that saw them as a cancer, and atheists keep saying that nobody ever died in the name of atheism. but can't you be an atheist without caring about or trying to stamp out religious believers? the soviet union didn't kill christians just because they were an atheistic society, trying to reduce the entire soviet philosophy to "atheist" seems disingenuous i think.
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# ? May 26, 2015 21:52 |
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"I am currently unaffiliated."
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# ? May 26, 2015 22:20 |
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Gatekeeper posted:but can't you be an atheist without caring about or trying to stamp out religious believers? the soviet union didn't kill christians just because they were an atheistic society, trying to reduce the entire soviet philosophy to "atheist" seems disingenuous i think. This is not the argument you want to make.
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# ? May 26, 2015 22:25 |
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hail satan
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# ? May 26, 2015 22:43 |
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Agag posted:This is not the argument you want to make. please elaborate, i'm a little piss baby and everything must be patiently explained to my blind cave fish of a brain
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# ? May 26, 2015 22:49 |
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Beef Turret posted:It's kinda insane that 12 million christians died in the soviet union because they lived in a state atheistic society that saw them as a cancer, and atheists keep saying that nobody ever died in the name of atheism. because that's an extremely warped lens you're looking through lol Gatekeeper posted:the soviet union didn't kill christians just because they were an atheistic society, trying to reduce the entire soviet philosophy to "atheist" seems disingenuous i think. ding ding ding we have a winner now watch as goons trot some bullshit talking points out to convince you of how truly important atheism was to Stalin basically christians and the church were super persecuted early in USSR history because Lenin and the Bosheviks considered organized religion to be a blight and an apparatus of control over the proletariat, not because they were atheists. Then after WW2 Stalin revived the Orthodox Church in Russia (after Hitler tried to culture flip religious types) and presented Russia as the Defender of the Faith in an effort to gain popular support. Then depending on who was in power and which clergy were talking poo poo people still went to prison camps and poo poo, yeah. Khrushchev forced a lot of churches to close (which were opened again in the first place because of Stalin). The more vocal with the proselytizing you were the less the government liked you, which explains the hate for the foreign protestants in the USSR. But it was always an issue of state control, whether you were Lenin and thought religion was enslavement or whether you were Stalin just doing whatever the gently caress for popularity or whether you were Khrushchev and just didn't want people badmouthing your administration. It wasn't because of atheism itself or any ideal of promoting it. The USSR said atheism was the scientific truth but they didn't crusade about it. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 23:01 on May 26, 2015 |
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Gatekeeper posted:please elaborate, i'm a little piss baby and everything must be patiently explained to my blind cave fish of a brain Instead of dismissing the mass-murder committed by atheists like Stalin and Mao as somehow not "really" related to atheism, simply argue that atheism isn't inherently murderous, and most atheists don't kill anybody, and the crimes of whatever murderous atheists have more to do with the nature of totalitarianism than their religious views. Of course this means abandoning the similar argument levied against theism, which is why more strident atheists are reluctant to adopt it.
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# ? May 27, 2015 00:16 |
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atheists interface with religion in the exact same way that 99% of self-proclaimed religious people do; they pick and choose what to believe and what moral structure feels right to them and then just call it whatever they think will benefit them the most.
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# ? May 27, 2015 00:28 |
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Agag posted:Instead of dismissing the mass-murder committed by atheists like Stalin and Mao as somehow not "really" related to atheism, simply argue that atheism isn't inherently murderous, and most atheists don't kill anybody, and the crimes of whatever murderous atheists have more to do with the nature of totalitarianism than their religious views. i think that is what i was aiming for, thanks for giving me the words to express it properly
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Gatekeeper posted:i think that is what i was aiming for, thanks for giving me the words to express it properly All things are possible through Christ.
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# ? May 27, 2015 00:50 |
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I lift my tail and scAre and run into the underbrush
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# ? May 27, 2015 01:21 |
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Agag posted:All things are possible through Christ. pbuh
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# ? May 27, 2015 01:28 |
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I just say I am a non-practicing non-denominational Christian and then it is literally never brought up again or never an issue. People who make a big deal out of being nonbelievers (currently anyway) always seem like the same kind of people who would make a point to not at least respectfully bow their heads during funeral/wedding prayers, as if anyone gives a poo poo about their contrarian rear end. Maybe in like 20-30 years being overtly atheist won't be quite as socially awkward, but at least now it's far easier to just be disarmingly noncommittal. mlady, I would love to have partaken in the sexing last night, if only you could have accepted my atheist beliefs instead of saying that was a dealbreaker!
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# ? May 27, 2015 01:33 |
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my wife is Catholic but i think she finds the fact that I'm going to burn in hell a turn on. like the bad boy thing, y know
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# ? May 27, 2015 01:43 |
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If you're Jodie Foster and you've just fallen through the giant plot device that they were building secretly building in Japan and are confronted with the fact that you have zero evidence to support that your awesome acid trip was "totally real" and you decide to shut up about it and then the movie stops - what religion is that?
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# ? May 27, 2015 01:52 |
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DreadLlama posted:If you're Jodie Foster and you've just fallen through the giant plot device that they were building secretly building in Japan and are confronted with the fact that you have zero evidence to support that your awesome acid trip was "totally real" and you decide to shut up about it and then the movie stops - what religion is that? Worship that Matty McConaughey dick.
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# ? May 27, 2015 03:17 |
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That sounds really white so Christian or mormon I believe.
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# ? May 27, 2015 03:49 |
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It actually depends on whose asking, opie. I will gladly downplay my faith amongst certain peeps who have had really bad experiences with religion, whereas those who don't care or are even interested is another story. When i wanna be a poo poo about it, I turn to the internet. Basically, this is place to go when you feel the need to razz fools, not the dinner table
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# ? May 27, 2015 06:08 |
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Moridin920 if he had been a christian instead of atheist
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# ? May 27, 2015 06:17 |
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Beef Turret posted:Moridin920 if he had been a christian instead of atheist she's right
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# ? May 27, 2015 06:21 |
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Gatekeeper posted:but can't you be an atheist without caring about or trying to stamp out religious believers? the soviet union didn't kill christians just because they were an atheistic society, trying to reduce the entire soviet philosophy to "atheist" seems disingenuous i think. Youre right. I'm just applying the same logic that atheists use on other creeds. Obviously it's way more complicated than that. But you can't deny that having a certain belief (or lack of thereof) might bias your worldview towards regarding certain people as inferior Either both atheism and christianity are to blame for the suffering that was caused in their name, or neither is
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# ? May 27, 2015 06:26 |
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Agag posted:Abrahamic version: retards get a pass, along with small children, unborn babies, and people who never heard about God in the first place. the dantean version is that all of these people sit at the top level of hell and feel bad for everyone below them. they're still completely in hell, but instead of suffering they talk amongst themselves and look down their noses as sinners. they're basically jewish mothers.
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# ? May 27, 2015 06:48 |
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anyway the point i was trying to make when i started this thread is: atheism is popularly conceived as a movement, a group, a religion... a thing that i choose not to associate with. i am non religious, and that's what i tell people. and then i tell them that atheists are usually assholes and i don't want to be associated with them. this thread is full of reasons why.
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# ? May 27, 2015 07:00 |
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Dante's afterlife was some funky stuff, I dig it
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# ? May 27, 2015 07:00 |
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devin2 posted:anyway the point i was trying to make when i started this thread is: if some atheists are assholes about expressing their lack of belief, it's probably because all believers in abrahamic religions are assholes about expressing their beliefs, without exception
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# ? May 27, 2015 07:06 |
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it's almost like, the real problem is assholes. Thanks thread, I've learned a lot today
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# ? May 27, 2015 07:16 |
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So you mean if I get hosed on crazy desert cactus, and then -convinced of the truth of my own hallucinations- I go and violently prepare for the coming apocalypse, and *I'M* the bad guy?!" At what point does my irrational belief that log monsters are a real thing and will eat you if you provoke them get to triumph over someone else's irrational belief that the latest desert religion got mad at a caricature done at his last faire and now cuts himself when you take a picture.
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# ? May 27, 2015 07:53 |
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The point of triumph for your irrational beliefs is when a numerically higher amount of people say "oh yah, those are some good beliefs" instead of "you're wrong, and ugly too" and not a moment before
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# ? May 27, 2015 10:46 |
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Moridin920 posted:because that's an extremely warped lens you're looking through lol why are you bothering
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# ? May 27, 2015 19:15 |
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Moridin920 posted:because that's an extremely warped lens you're looking through lol beef turret is a gimmick
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# ? May 27, 2015 19:25 |
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Black Bones posted:it's almost like, the real problem is assholes. Thanks thread, I've learned a lot today
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# ? May 27, 2015 19:44 |
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gender illusionist posted:hail satan
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# ? May 27, 2015 20:15 |
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Beef Turret posted:Moridin920 if he had been a christian instead of atheist I just fuckin argue for the sake of argument pretty much
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# ? May 27, 2015 20:17 |
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When I die I go back to Gork and Mork to be belched back into another body. Hope that helps
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# ? May 27, 2015 20:38 |
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The Jehovas came back again today and gave me this really watchtower about the end times. I admire their persistence because I've pretty much tried every polite method short of hailing satan to get them to leave me alone.
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# ? May 27, 2015 20:39 |
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InterFaced posted:The Jehovas came back again today and gave me this really watchtower about the end times. I admire their persistence because I've pretty much tried every polite method short of hailing satan to get them to leave me alone. I just tell proselytizers that I'm happy with my current afterlife provider.
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# ? May 27, 2015 21:03 |
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devin2 posted:the dantean version is that all of these people sit at the top level of hell and feel bad for everyone below them. they're still completely in hell, but instead of suffering they talk amongst themselves and look down their noses as sinners. they're basically jewish mothers. Cool book imo, but problematic. InterFaced posted:The Jehovas came back again today and gave me this really watchtower about the end times. I admire their persistence because I've pretty much tried every polite method short of hailing satan to get them to leave me alone. Big fan of End Times talk. Way more fun to hear about the coming RaHoWa than arguments about how evolution is a scam.
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Black Bones posted:it's almost like, the real problem is assholes. well said
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