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I'm right though, which gives me pleasure and self assurance
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militant atheism in China and the USSR yeah that's definitely not some ridiculous stretching of history to fit your narrative Ocean Book posted:how is atheism not a belief system? The absence of a specific belief is a belief system. no it's not. it's just 1 belief: 'there is no god' how is that a whole system Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 18:22 on May 23, 2015 |
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Moridin920 posted:no it's not. it's just 1 belief: 'there is no god' how is that a whole system because every concrete atheist will have a web of mental constructs in which the atheist belief system is a subsystem that operates dynamically with the whole as the subject encounters the world.
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# ? May 23, 2015 18:28 |
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We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen, motherfucker. for real tho i'm like religious but not all that spiritual. I just like going into a building with my friends and neighbors and singing together and then a guy in a robe puts a thing in my mouth Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 18:33 on May 23, 2015 |
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Ocean Book posted:because every concrete atheist will have a web of mental constructs in which the atheist belief system is a subsystem that operates dynamically with the whole as the subject encounters the world. Instead of explaining how it is a system you just repeated that it is a system. You dishonest fucker.
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:Which is it? Is it an implicit assumption, or is such an assumption functionally identical to how people live their regular lives? For some people, it may well be the former, but I've never met a person who, when asked, will say "I know there is no god". Even Dawkins puts himself as a 6 on the theism scale, where 6 is someone inclined to believe there isn't a god and 7 is a person who actively asserts the non-existence of the divine. I googled that scale you were talking about and it's so typically positivist to quantify something like conviction on a scale without reference to anything outside itself. Most people don't even know what their day to day motivations are or what it is they really hold dear in life, yet we're supposed to think theyre rational enough to self-report what ideological corner they belong to on a scale from 1-7. Personally I don't think anyone really is either 1 or 7, although they might think otherwise. And I don't think philosophical categories of belief describe anything real. It's just intellectual exercises. A person can do what he wills but he can't will what he wills. If some belief gives him the bigger kicks then he'll believe that. A person who hears about the glory of the flying spaghetti monster would be just as unaffected by it as someone who had never heard of it in the first place
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# ? May 23, 2015 18:33 |
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redshirt posted:lol no one's dying for Buddhism anywhere. this is only because the Buddhists are much better at slaughtering Muslims than vice versa
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# ? May 23, 2015 18:39 |
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I'm a practicing Agnostic.
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# ? May 23, 2015 18:45 |
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Jim Barris posted:Instead of explaining how it is a system you just repeated that it is a system. You dishonest fucker. do you like, want examples of the belief system interacting dynamically with the world? ex - the atheist walks into a room. someone says 'god bless you'. the atheist thinks 'i appreciate the sentiment but do not believe god will bless me'
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# ? May 23, 2015 18:51 |
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dragonball is a better religion than christianity. fact
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# ? May 23, 2015 18:56 |
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I believe in a thing called love, just listen to the rhythm of my heart.
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Borommakott posted:I'm a practicing Agnostic.
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Ocean Book posted:this is stupid and your point is stupid. Beef turret is saying that Protestantism has influenced cultural values in the west. Estimating how many people hold those values and to what extent is impossible to do usefully. What point are you going for anyway, 'cultural values don't exist, only population-ratios of personal values do'? No I am demonstrating that he is making assertions he actually has not done any manner of reasonable work to prove by asking him how he came to his conclusions; there were some implicit questions* in my statements but he seems confident he can handle them. Beef Turret posted:I don't know because the polls only ask about the labels. But from the people I've known, I've noticed atheists in the west are more likely to believe that science and religion are antagonists using almost the same slogans as the Maoists who thought religion was holding back the revolutionary potential of the masses. Theyre more likely to think western civilization is superior and that we should spread western values of enlightenment and rationality to the world. They're prone to fetishize technology and systems over outcome, and believe that institutional science is the only way to find truth. All of those assumptions follow naturally one after the other from the belief that there is no god, and justifies rule by technocrats who have the right scientific credentials, which is incidentally the late soviet era summed up Here you go. We have successfully moved the argument from whether you can ascribe specific beliefs from vague labels back to the realm of his anecdotal experiences with people; which is a far less controversial position if no less dumb. Essentially we got what I wanted and he never even had to admit it; all you have to do is press for specifics! Edit* Honestly "Premises" would have probably been a better word here. reignofevil fucked around with this message at 19:11 on May 23, 2015 |
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I'm sure you needed me to tell you the obvious. As if a cursory glance through a history book of the french, bolshevik or chinese revolutions wouldn't show that atheism alone was a big part of the justification for repression and murder. Atheists don't think twice about ascribing crusades, wars and even the holocaust and the extermination of indians to christianity, yet when someone turns it around on them they dodge the issue
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reignofevil posted:Edit* Honestly "Premises" would have probably been a better word here. I'm ESL
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Beef Turret posted:I'm ESL Very nice to meet you Be careful with your words; things mean things.
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i'm non-litigious. come at me bro, won't even sue you
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Ocean Book posted:do you like, want examples of the belief system interacting dynamically with the world? The fact that many atheists are beholden to social ideologies and the fact that these same people intermingle their social ideology and atheism, that has nothing to do with atheism in and of itself.
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# ? May 23, 2015 19:26 |
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HOT drat this transformice fanart in my facebook feed is getting me in the mood to gently caress some tiny animals
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# ? May 23, 2015 19:28 |
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quakster posted:i'm non-litigious. come at me bro, won't even sue you Lol.
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# ? May 23, 2015 19:33 |
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closed thread ban anyone who posted more than 20 words
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porkchop_express posted:closed thread ban anyone who posted more than 20 words I'm going to bring back sincerity to GBS. Problem?
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Voting this thread a '5' because I was greeted by the wizardly image of AronRa on the first page. Also, just tell people you're secular instead of using the word Atheist. It's less problematic.
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Beef Turret posted:I'm going to bring back sincerity to GBS. Problem? i'm 100% sincere already. that rat rear end, mmm, a man simply cannot resist such a morsel
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whoops quote not edit. a first time for everything
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Getting oppressed by the GBS police takin' it to the cop thread.
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Beef Turret posted:I'm going to bring back sincerity to GBS. Problem? your the reason for the title of this thread hth
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# ? May 23, 2015 21:31 |
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If its someone I know I just say I'm not religous. If its some rando street preacher I just say I'm Christian.
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# ? May 23, 2015 21:43 |
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yeah, im christian *pulls out crucifix like an fbi badge*
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Beef Turret posted:I'm sure you needed me to tell you the obvious. As if a cursory glance through a history book of the french, bolshevik or chinese revolutions wouldn't show that atheism alone was a big part of the justification for repression and murder. Atheists don't think twice about ascribing crusades, wars and even the holocaust and the extermination of indians to christianity, yet when someone turns it around on them they dodge the issue Still tho, there's a pretty direct line between the protestant heresies from Martin Luther onward and the atrocities of the Nazis
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Ocean Book posted:how is atheism not a belief system? The absence of a specific belief is a belief system. ugh who gives a poo poo. agree to disagree.
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# ? May 24, 2015 05:50 |
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lol at this point I wish I was religious. It seems so easy. "God did it".
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# ? May 25, 2015 01:09 |
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atheism is good imo
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# ? May 25, 2015 01:39 |
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Troll Bridgington posted:atheism is good imo When they are not murdering people they seem alright. You can find some at your local Gamestop or vaping supply store.
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Agag posted:When they are not murdering people they seem alright. You can find some at your local Gamestop or vaping supply store. yeah murderers are bad imo, so is gamestop
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God
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redshirt posted:lol at this point I wish I was religious. It seems so easy. This is one of the main reasons there are so many religious people. It answers every question.
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# ? May 25, 2015 03:00 |
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no one has seriously answered my concerns about why god supports all athletes simultaneously so it seems improbable
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LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:no one has seriously answered my concerns about why god supports all athletes simultaneously so it seems improbable Wait for the final score, then you will know who God truly favored.
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LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:no one has seriously answered my concerns about why god supports all athletes simultaneously so it seems improbable i just looked at your post history and this seems to be your only post in this thread so... you're kind of a bastard i guess for playing with the emotions of myself and my fellow posters
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