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gnarlyhotep posted:but for real you sound like a nutjob
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In light of recent posts I am voting stupid.
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May 26, 2015 07:23
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gnarlyhotep posted:but for real you sound like a nutjob whatevs. have fun policing the forum for crime-think
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May 26, 2015 07:23
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lordoftheT posted:In light of recent posts I am voting stupid. same
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May 26, 2015 07:24
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Mr. Hand posted:The concern over "pimps" is, really, quite overstated. Pimps are bad but when prostitutes can't rely on the police to help them because they're doing illegal stuff it's just going to happen. The solution is to decriminalize prostitution and you could do that and keep buying a prostitute illegal if you wanted but then I guess women's correctional facilities would get less money or something.
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May 26, 2015 07:27
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what if i just hire a woman to savagely abuse my balls with no actual sex involved?
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May 26, 2015 07:27
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gnarlyhotep posted:but for real you sound like a nutjob
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Serious Frolicking posted:what if i just hire a woman to savagely abuse my balls with no actual sex involved? angie's list is best for that
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May 26, 2015 07:32
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Mr. Hand posted:whatevs. have fun policing the forum for crime-think my new nickname is Big GBrother
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May 26, 2015 07:35
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OP is s poo poo post trafficker
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May 26, 2015 11:31
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fyi pimps are not like bosses or middle men: they aren't really involved in the product or the sale except maybe in the 'hiring' process. they are street thugs that control (through force) prostitution in a particular area and demand a cut from the proceeds, ostensibly to provide security from johns and other pimps yeah there would still be some pimps if prostitution was legalized because the culture of prostitution won't change overnight, and reducing the number of pimps isn't, by itself, the reason for legalizing prostitution, it's just a good side effect. furthermore the op is a human being
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May 26, 2015 11:35
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Flavor Truck posted:The part of your tiny insect brain that makes you think there won't be any drug-related violence after legalization is the same part that makes you think that there won't be pimps after prostitution is made legal. Why make things better if they'll never be perfect? 
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May 26, 2015 11:55
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you irl posted:fyi pimps are not like bosses or middle men: they aren't really involved in the product or the sale except maybe in the 'hiring' process. they are street thugs that control (through force) prostitution in a particular area and demand a cut from the proceeds, ostensibly to provide security from johns and other pimps some agents are pimps, but not all pimps, are agents. the good pimps are saved for the cleverest hos. as prostitution as it is in all things, amen, praise the white man's society. source: im a human being, and a ho
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May 26, 2015 12:01
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Justin Tyme posted:There are more slaves in the US today than in the Antebellum South. Fact. well no poo poo, the antebellum south no longer exists
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May 26, 2015 12:05
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lordoftheT posted:In light of recent posts I am voting stupid. all voting is stupid
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May 26, 2015 12:08
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The FBI has used sex trafficking scare numbers to lobby for more spying power and more money. David Sirota wrote some good stuff about it. It's real and exists, you can see the sad slavic girls with bad implants in strip clubs to confirm it for yourself.
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May 26, 2015 12:08
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sugar free jazz posted:This thread is a fairly creepy mix of jokes and honest opinion bleeding through the jokes and I don't like it very much. Some of you people are fairly strange in a bad way.
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May 26, 2015 12:33
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Eventually people will grow up and realise that it is possible (and commonplace) for an act to be inherently, objectively immoral and we'll move on from this consequentialist dogshit
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May 26, 2015 12:56
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Mange Mite posted:
lets be honest
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May 26, 2015 12:57
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vug posted:Eventually people will grow up and realise that it is possible (and commonplace) for an act to be inherently, objectively immoral and we'll move on from this consequentialist dogshit How can you justify the objective immorality of an act without referencing its consequences?
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May 26, 2015 13:00
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vug posted:Eventually people will grow up and realise that it is possible (and commonplace) for an act to be inherently, objectively immoral and we'll move on from this consequentialist dogshit agreed. sex is a sin, op
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May 26, 2015 13:01
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thou shalt not put the p in the v or the a or the m or the cr thank you for your time
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May 26, 2015 13:04
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vug posted:Eventually people will grow up and realise that it is possible (and commonplace) for an act to be inherently, objectively immoral and we'll move on from this consequentialist dogshit I will agree to that when you show me evidence of it
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May 26, 2015 13:09
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OP, just want to let you know that i read your thread title while browsing and laughed out loud, thanks for thatMr. Hand posted:(US centric) heh vug posted:Eventually people will grow up and realise that it is possible (and commonplace) for an act to be inherently, objectively immoral and we'll move on from this consequentialist dogshit one problem: morality is inherently subjective. it's just an idea. it's not real which is why atrocity has been committed by people convinced they were morally justified since time immemorial ninotoreS fucked around with this message at 14:14 on May 26, 2015 |
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May 26, 2015 14:03
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Justin Tyme posted:There are more slaves in the US today than in the Antebellum South. Fact. yeah well not even remotely close per capita. Fact, improvement!
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May 26, 2015 14:38
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Sex trafficking is definitely an actual thing that happens to a not insignificant number of people, but it is also frequently conflated with prostitution in general both deliberately by groups pushing their own agenda and by well-meaning people. Unfortunately, this is the type of topic where people's moral stance is generally too reactionary to have a discussion that doesn't immediately devolve into polarized factions, preventing any pragmatic solutions from gaining public support. If you suggest that not all or even the majority of prostitution involves sex trafficking or abuse you are interpreted as saying that sex trafficking doesn't exist and isn't a problem. As a result it is impossible to effectively target either sex trafficking or the abuse of sex workers in general, as evidence based policy is abandoned in favour of emotion based policy. We effectively have well meaning people arguing that sex trafficking is out of control and that something must be done to fix it but simultaneously being unwilling to consider anything over than the existing strategy of blanket criminalization of prostitution, as if continuing to do the same thing but maybe 'raising awareness' and being more outraged about it will achieve a different result. Conditioned moral aversion and polarization of discourse will always prevent progress.
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May 26, 2015 14:46
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too bad this guy dropped legal prostitution from his platform after the mentioned groups started whining about it
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May 26, 2015 15:07
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You think SEX trafficking is bad, you should see the traffic at the 101/405 during rush hour amiright?!?!
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May 26, 2015 15:16
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Cursed Lumberjack posted:im really really sorry that you cant find a girlfriend People, hopefully, get girlfriends and prostitutes for entirely different reasons.
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Nooner posted:You think SEX trafficking is bad, you should see the traffic at the 101/405 during rush hour amiright?!?! I'm moving back there from chicago, their traffic is laughable
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May 26, 2015 15:22
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FreudianSlippers posted:If prostitution was legal and hookers had their own unions it would probably discourage pimping and sex trafficking. But only if those unions were sufficiently powerful and unions aren't allowed to be powerful in America. "But the outcomes, as revealed in the Univ. of London study, in the states under review that had legalized or regulated prostitution were found to be just as discouraging or even more discouraging than the traditional all round criminalization. In each case the results were dramatic in the negative. Legalization and/or regulation of prostitution, according to the study, led to: A dramatic increase in all facets of the sex industry, A dramatic increase in the involvement of organized crime in the sex industry, A dramatic increase in child prostitution, An explosion in the number of foreign women and girls trafficked into the region, and Indications of an increase in violence against women. In the state of Victoria, Australia, where a system of legalized, regulated brothels was established, there was such an explosion in the number of brothels that it immediately overwhelmed the system's ability to regulate them, and just as quickly these brothels became a mire of organized crime, corruption, and related crimes. In addition, surveys of the prostitutes working under systems of legalization and regulation find that the prostitutes themselves continue to feel coerced, forced, and unsafe in the business." Sweden came up with a pretty good solution, they made it legal to sell sex but illegal to buy it so there's obviously still way to find escorts if that's your poison but it really evens the playing field when the girl could potentially just report everyone involved. They also offer social assistance to anyone who currently works in the sex industry but wants out.
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May 26, 2015 17:10
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fwiw I don't see anything inherently wrong with paying for sex, but in a capitalistic society it's pretty much impossible to not have exploited victims alongside people who would do the job even if they didn't have to for food and shelter. Looking at the aftermath of sweden's 1999 legislation where when they made it as easy as possible to get out of the industry and immediately almost everyone did kinda tells you how few people are completely voluntarily in this line of work.
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May 26, 2015 17:14
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Ratios and Tendency posted:We legalized prostitution in New Zealand in 2003 and it worked really well in terms of worker protection/health etc. Lol, you think anyone cares about the well being of prostitutes
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May 26, 2015 17:16
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Ork of Fiction posted:Why make things better if they'll never be perfect? Because we can't iron-grip the public into total bootlicking supplication without our precious war on drugs, you big dummy!
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ArbitraryC posted:
The Swedish model actually is pretty terrible for sex workers, it makes it impossible for them to screen clients or do their work safely, forcing them to take on the lovely, crazy and potentially homicidal clients, plus they can get evicted and have their children taken away from them.
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May 26, 2015 18:49
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Mr. Hand posted:The simple fact of the matter is that social conservatives -- and a lot of feminists -- constitutionally object to the practice of men paying for sex. op, a lot of feminists are for decriminalizing prostitution (as opposed to legalizing it, like in the swedish model mentioned by other posters) even if they haven't given it much critical thought, because sex positivity. Borneo Jimmy posted:The Swedish model actually is pretty terrible for sex workers, it makes it impossible for them to screen clients or do their work safely, forcing them to take on the lovely, crazy and potentially homicidal clients, plus they can get evicted and have their children taken away from them. the swedish model seems like something that would work okay in theory, for sweden, but not so much someplace like the USA, where we like to shoot each other a lot.
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With prostitution illegal, pimps can beat their women, get them hooked on drugs as a means of control, take almost all of the pay, et cetera, et cetera, and because the whole thing is illegal, obviously the women aren't inclined to appeal to any higher authority to prevent such abuses. Same goes for the issue of abusive Johns; the women can only go to the pimp for help, and he may or may not be able or willing to provide suitable recourse. Legalizing prostitution would fix much of this, of course. Aside from his click-bait thread-title, the OP is obviously right. A whole lot of good for the women would come from legalization, and ultimately people are only against the idea out of moral (or veiled patriarchal) sentiment that doesn't hold up to secular, rational analysis.
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May 26, 2015 20:31
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Alls i want is liquor & whores
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May 26, 2015 21:24
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Mr. Hand posted:(US centric) Sex traffic jams suck
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replace all pimps with disinterested government bureaucrats whose only joy in life comes from making johns sign paperwork
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