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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:Anyway I don't mean to go on some weird vicarious recruiting drive, I just meant to discourage you from the idea that you'd be useless (or worse, a liability) to the Greens just because you didn't spend your while life volunteering at a soup kitchen and rescuing feral pigeons. If politics interests you, if making a difference matters, then go talk to them and see what you can do. There's a hell of a lot that goes on behind the scenes so that Scott Ludlam can sit in front of a camera and have actual policies to propose. It's not just Larissa Waters and Adam Bandt in a shed somewhere cranking out letters 24/7 and putting up flyers I fully intend to be present at future Green's meetings and play the voice not only for my industry and workmates but also the environmental issues I believe in, too. I won't be discouraged, I'm just aware I've got the dirt in my past. All good, I look forward to being a part of the Greens and am already actively encouraging other union members to sway that way, because the Greens have been the only party in recent years vocally backing our unions and workforce.
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what the gently caress posted:I fully intend to be present at future Green's meetings and play the voice not only for my industry and workmates but also the environmental issues I believe in, too. I won't be discouraged, I'm just aware I've got the dirt in my past. Um have you considered volunteering for (and then re-registering) the Democrats
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Oh, sorry. I just realised you only started posting in this thread Jun 23. We had a poster who was intent on re-forming the Democrats (exploiting the brand without acknowledging the associated baggage) and then had a bit of a meltdown when he couldn't explain why we should support the Democrats rather than the Greens. And then the AEC dissolved the party because apparently they had lied about having the minimum required signatures to register. It was equal parts fun and sad but the fundamental question remained unanswered: Why not just join the Greens? Hence my hilarious and topical and intelligent and highly good-looking joke about joining the Democrats instead
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I've posted retarded poo poo in this thread in the past but changed my username in the last couple of days. Also if I'm going to present MUA arguments at the next Greens meetingin Tassie it would help if you guys could provide me with more ammo to fire, if that's possible (again, I've never been to a party meeting before, despite being a Greens member for the last year or so). I want to go in guns blazing. Greens need to know they have a goldmine of votes if they solidly back the MUA/unions in general with their respective families/friends etc kgo gently caress im drunk i should prob stop posting Sludge Tank fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:In fact I imagine that you probably couldn't become a public face for the Greens even if you tried, they have a bunch of really good people for that, the public speakers and the poster children. Depends where you are. I've turned into the public face for my local group after almost no time at all. Bit of a different case in Tasmania, though, since they only have 5 branches and each branch has the possibility of electing state MPs, so it's a bit more competitive. Local stuff though, like council, there's often openings. Sulla-Marius 88 posted:What they're probably lacking (you'd have to ask a Greens staffer to confirm though) is, apart from the ever-present money, a bunch of people willing to turn up and do the behind-the-scenes stuff. The people who set up and tear down the stage rather than perform. I can't give you specifics because I honestly don't know, but I wouldn't really worry about your past coming back to haunt you. Stick your hand up and tell them you want to help out (there's even a form on the website) and then specify that you used to burn churches for the insurance money, and they'll say oh okay well we won't slot this guy in for vatican ambassador if we ever take power. You won't find out what use they could have for you unless you ask. This is absolutely true, though. People willing to help pitch in coordinating campaigns, organising meetings and keeping minutes and agendas and that sort of thing, as well as more physical help in setting and tearing down stuff at state councils and various events are always in short supply. That's the case in NSW at least, I suspect it's the same for TAS. There's also local group office bearer shitwork, which can be really important.
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I can't help you with the MUA stuff but I can tell you that soberposting is generally discouraged here. If you're still sober it means you haven't been reading enough. Also speaking of the MUA I wonder what happened to duck monster, he was involved with the wharfies wasn't he?
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what the gently caress posted:I've posted retarded poo poo in this thread in the past but changed my username in the last couple of days. I can only give the experience of NSW, where striding into a state council meeting with MUA arguments would be met with a resounding cheer because we're all fucken commies. I think a good thing to do might be marshalling what it is you want the Greens to do in terms of supporting the MUA that they don't already. Also, be prepared for this not to get up at your first branch meeting - I'd take a meeting or two to learn how the process works, get to know the relevant people (if you're submitting a proposal it'll go to the Secretary, things like that). What'll likely happen is you'll either be directed to an existing union issues/industrial relations working group, or someone will propose creating one. Working groups are the "expertise" as far as it applies to Green grassroots policy building. In NSW, working groups communicate with the MP who holds the relevant policy portfolio. They're open to any member, and essentially are comprised of the people who have either expertise or interest in that policy area. Some working groups have regular meetings, some communicate over email lists. A working group would be the best place to start a discussion about the Greens and the MUA, where you can get input and suggestions, and then take the proposal to state council once it's workshopped. I will say that if the idea involves affiliation, it likely won't happen. So far the Greens have adamantly refused to accept union affiliation, and I don't really disagree. Our policy is set by members, not by any other interest group, whether they're good (like unions) or bad (like the Business Chamber.)
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Quantum Mechanic posted:I can only give the experience of NSW, where striding into a state council meeting with MUA arguments would be met with a resounding cheer because we're all fucken commies. I wouldn't ask for affiliation because such a large portion of our union are die-hard Labor voters... all I would encourage is for the Greens to support and encourage at least DOMESTIC shipping trade. As Lisa said today, you wouldn't accept your freight being transported to you by 457/etc truck drivers... why should you accept your domestic shipping trade be operated by foreign operators? Australia has, now, about 2 weeks of fuel supply left. If international turmoil were to happen and we lose fuel supply we are entirely hosed. Regulation stipulates we need 90 days and we fall well below that standard. I understand if the greens refuse to affiliate with unions but on the same token there is an enormous workforce out there that is unionised that is looking for a political organisation to represent them, because Labor is loving dead. As far as I remember, Adam Bandt was the last MP to com out in vocal support of Australian fuel security being operated and maintained by Australian seafarers. Sludge Tank fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Anidav posted:lol rumour mill is saying the ALP is going to reverse the leadership ballot rules to pre-Rudd changes. Bill Shorten is redirecting questions about it to Party Office. I don't understand, wasn't the whole point of those changes that they weren't reversible, and Shorten supported them because he anticipated being in charge (which he is now)? So why would, or how can, they reverse them?
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By simply not including them in the next draft of the ALP national constitution. Funny flaw, right?
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:I don't understand, wasn't the whole point of those changes that they weren't reversible, and Shorten supported them because he anticipated being in charge (which he is now)? So why would, or how can, they reverse them? If it takes less effort to change the rules, then it does to change the leadership, the people who came up with the change either hosed up quote a bit, or deliberately left a hell of a loophole. I'm honestly not sure which shows the ALP in worse light.
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:The other caveat is that the jobs tend to be in super expensive places (London for my girlfriend, but the tech cities in America have it worse) so unless you're some headhunted fancypants then you're going to be eating salmon at google for lunch and then ramen noodles at home in your lovely broom closet flat. Yep the bay area (where silicon valley is, and where I live) is extremely expensive to rent/buy. San Francisco is now more expensive than NYC. So a lot of your wage goes to rent/mortgage, unless you are OK with living 2 - 3 hours peak hour drive away each way to bring the cost of housing down. I know people that do this, it's insane how much of their life they throw away sitting in a car, but at least they don't live in a broom closet. Outside of rent, cost of living here is still fairly cheap compared to Australia so if you're living in a studio apartment in the mission for $3200 a month you can still get cheap ethnic food around the corner. Telecommuting/working remote is now becoming a standard policy at many companies, so if you're a white collar worker you can take advantage of that. So yet again, the blue collar guy that has to physically be there and isn't getting paid as much gets screwed further. Shakugan posted:Don't forget the "your school isn't prestigious enough, sorry" wall that's here also. Straight out of university, top students from average schools will be passed over for average students who happen to have gone to top schools and slacked off for years. Also different to Australia is that it'll follow you for a long time. People will forever ask you where you went to school. If you can say you went to an Ivy or MIT etc, you'll literally get a "woah!" response when having that conversation for the rest of your life. Alumni networks (i.e. the old boys clubs) are also much more important for finding jobs. Yep. And now just a bachelors isn't a big deal any more, seems like its the new high school diploma. Now you should go straight for the Masters and accumulate another 30 - 60k worth of university debt  which you cannot declare bankruptcy for Wages in the USA have been stagnant for decades and now college grads are being saddled with massive debt that takes decades to pay back at their 'entry level but need 5 years experience' jobs. Forget home ownership. Middle class here is truly dying.And this is where Abbott/Shorten is taking Australia.
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Anidav posted:By simply not including them in the next draft of the ALP national constitution. dr_rat posted:If it takes less effort to change the rules, then it does to change the leadership, the people who came up with the change either hosed up quote a bit, or deliberately left a hell of a loophole. Hah. I tried googling but no luck - is the constitution something that comes up regularly for review? It sounds like something that could have been anticipated but dismissed as "a battle I don't have to worry about yet".
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Pickled Tink posted:Time for First Dog: Okay, from now on whenever someone posts that poo poo comic, I'll post something from Dicks on the Herald Sun to return balance to the thread. Starting, now:  http://i.imgur.com/UvqpwTf.jpgSulla-Marius 88 posted:Also speaking of the MUA I wonder what happened to duck monster, he was involved with the wharfies wasn't he? He's around. I just saw him in one of the Southerners Being Racist threads.
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Gorilla Salad posted:
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d3rt posted:Yep. And now just a bachelors isn't a big deal any more, seems like its the new high school diploma. Now you should go straight for the Masters and accumulate another 30 - 60k worth of university debt What's particularly amazing is how little attention you see in the media about this. Everyone talks about the cost of college having risen dramatically, but no one talks about how everyone needs a masters to be competitive. In particular, no one seems to mention how funding for masters degrees (by coursework, which is the case for most people doing masters degrees for employment reasons) is practically nonexistent. Financial aid for undergrads is an expected thing; I believe my college gives undergrad full rides to everyone with parents earning less than 120k), but most masters students are paying completely out of pocket. There's a reason we desperately want to avoid the US college payment system in Australia. Most masters students I know are paying >$60k a year in tuition alone (not counting living costs), with most masters programs being 1.5-3 years. And unless you're an exceptional student with financial out the whazoo, you probably graduated undergrade with a huge debt also. The college experience in the US is fantastic, but it's a separate thing from the insane levels of tuition and high barriers to entry for people without adequate finances.
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Even when I was at uni in the 90s we said that anyone could afford a degree, but only the rich could get Masters and PhDs.
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Gorilla Salad posted:Even when I was at uni in the 90s we said that anyone could afford a degree, but only the rich could get Masters and PhDs. It's not as bad for PhD students. Any PhD worth doing will cover tuition and provide a stipend. It's not enough to raise a family with or anything, and so there are definitely issues for the non-rich. But an individual who isn't looking to have kids can survive a PhD with little to no other income. Of course, there are also opportunity costs etc.
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MythLisp posted:A spokesman for the minister said students were still enrolled at Dapto TAFE You mean there are more than 0 people enrolled at a public educational institution 
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first dog is a good comic. that abbot penis heads thing is funny too lighten up quote:Okay, from now on whenever someone posts that poo poo comic, I'll post something from Dicks on the Herald Sun to return balance to the thread. okay every time you post.. blah blah wah wah jesus loving christ calm down.
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Lascivious Sloth posted:first dog is a good comic. May your ears turn to chickens and poo poo on your shoulders.
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Anidav posted:lol rumour mill is saying the ALP is going to reverse the leadership ballot rules to pre-Rudd changes. Bill Shorten is redirecting questions about it to Party Office. Also, why? Are the people drafting the rules not in Shorten's faction? I just don't understand otherwise, it is already heavily biased towards the incumbent leader and caucus preference.
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Lascivious Sloth posted:first dog is a good comic. Beep boop. What is this human thing called humour?
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Why tell you, when I could... SHOW you? It all began several hundred thousands years ago,
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what the gently caress posted:Excuse me? Your posting style does not do your username any justice. David Pope. More like David Poop amirite????
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Who's doing July? If it's me get ready for some home truths.
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Cartoon posted:Who's doing July? YEEEEESSSSSSSSSS It's the thread we deserve
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:What's that a reference to? Knocking down houses that use loose 'Mr Fluffy' brand asbestos insulation.
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Pocket Billiards posted:Knocking down houses that use loose 'Mr Fluffy' brand asbestos insulation. He usually mixes two messages in his cartoons. Is there contentious land clearing happening in Canberra somewhere?
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