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Rick posted:I'm trying to think of a famous gambler to mix in but I can only see images of professional poker players in my head. Doyle Brunson
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Rick posted:I'm trying to think of a famous gambler to mix in but I can only see images of professional poker players in my head. Phil Hellmuth
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Jun 9, 2015 20:52
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PantsFreeZone posted:Phil Hellmuth Bill Fillmaff!!!
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Jun 9, 2015 20:59
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Dejan Bimble posted:I think Jordan would be a mix of Oladipo/Harden/Chris Paul/Damon Stoudemire/Vince Carter/Joe Johnson Haha we are the world's biggest Oladipo supporters  and everyone else is gonna catch on next year when he has a few more 30+/7/7 games
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Jun 9, 2015 21:02
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Are you implying that Jordan didn't get the poo poo kicked out of him when he drove? It's phrased kind of confusingly. I'm saying that Jordan's lack of shooting would be the focal point of defenses against him. They'd punish him more for going inside to try to force him to take more 3s. Jordan would be a monster, but I doubt he'd be able to put up 35+ points per game.
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Jun 9, 2015 21:05
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Dejan Bimble posted:Bill Fillmaff!!! 
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Jun 9, 2015 21:05
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Paul Zuvella posted:I'm saying that Jordan's lack of shooting would be the focal point of defenses against him. They'd punish him more for going inside to try to force him to take more 3s. Jordan would be a monster, but I doubt he'd be able to put up 35+ points per game. Well for one thing I'm not sure how you could punish Jordan more than the Knicks and Pistons did unless you start allowing players to bring shivs or clubs onto the court If you go back and watch some of the highlights (lowlights?), it's really loving brutal.Second thing, I really think people are exaggerating how poorly he shot from the outside. I'm not arguing that he was Ray Allen, but I have a hard time imagining prime Jordan not being able to adapt his game to the modern play style and make the 3 point shot a major aspect of it. It should be noted that every season where he shoots a significant amount of 3s his accuracy is good to excellent. In '90 he takes 245 attempts at %38. In '93 he takes 230 attempts at %35. In '96 he takes 260 attempts at %43. In '97 he takes 297 attemtps at %37.  Larry Bird had a recent interview in which he talked a lot about how the game has evolved since the 80s and 90s and talked a lot about the 3 point shot specifically. The way he described it, it wasn't really integrated into anyone's strategy on a team or individual level. He said the he didn't really think about shooting them at all unless it was for a very specific reason like a rare set play off an inbounds or if they were down by 1 or 2 at the end of a game. It makes me wonder how many of the 3 pointers Jordan shot were at the end of quarters/halves or last second shots (i.e. inherently low % shots). You might even make the argument that Jordan playing the modern game could have been more dominant. Michael Jordan with an elite 3 point shot in a world with no handchecking would be loving scary and not give a poo poo about zone defenses. And you absolutely know that Jordan would have 40 or 50 at the half in some game and think "You know something? gently caress you Wilt. I want that single game scoring record." before shooting 25-30 threes in the second half.
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Jun 9, 2015 22:49
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Well for one thing I'm not sure how you could punish Jordan more than the Knicks and Pistons did unless you start allowing players to bring shivs or clubs onto the court Well you could actually try contesting the shots instead of jumping out of the way and slapping down on him like all the 90's defenders seemed to do. And yeah I agree with you, if we arbitrarily say that Michael Jordan was much better than he was then he'd definitely be more dominant in this era. If he rode clouds and shat thunder he'd probably average 10 blocks a game too. No, Jordan could not score nearly as well in this era. The defenses are faster, stronger, and better coached. If you watch Lebron iso on the wing with everyone else on the weak side sometimes the defense will put a defender on the strong side anyway, leaving 3 players to guard 4 in the crowded weak side. This is by rule not a legal tactic when Jordan was playing. The zone defense rules completely changed how defense was coached, and how it was played. Modern NBA defenses are effectively man on the strong side and zone on the weak side. This is nothing like anything Jordan ever faced. If Jordan were on the block the help defense had to stay above the free throw line, they couldn't shade down. Look at Lebron in the post, there's dudes a step away constantly. In Jordan's day you had to commit to a double. With Lebron everyone moves a step toward him so that they can recover if he passes and double as he starts his move. Lebron has to delay his decision to pass or shoot based on what that defender does, Jordan had way more advance warning. All those Jordan reverse layup highlights are pretty sweet, but you have to keep in mind that Lebron is probably just dunking them. There's really nothing that Jordan is significantly better than Lebron at. Lebron's just Jordan with a few inches and 50 pounds. Also Jordan himself admitted he wouldn't have had the career he did if zone defense was legal.
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Jun 9, 2015 23:10
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@nbastats LeBron has been his team's outright leader in Pts/Rebs/Asts in 35 career playoff games, including in Gm2. Next most all-time is 13 by Bird 
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Jun 9, 2015 23:16
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Redgrendel2001 posted:In '90 he takes 245 attempts at %38. i'm pretty sure in '96 the 3pt line was shorten
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Jun 9, 2015 23:19
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Metapod posted:i'm pretty sure in '96 the 3pt line was shorten 95, 96, and 97.
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Jun 9, 2015 23:28
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Zone defense wasn't legal but it was prevalent and Jordan was hit on his way to the basket constantly (did a random Nuggets team in February in 93 hit him? No, just like a random Nuggets team in 15 in March isn't playing any defense now), in fact it was how he was beaten until he bulked up.
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Jun 9, 2015 23:45
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Bashez posted:Well you could actually try contesting the shots instead of jumping out of the way and slapping down on him like all the 90's defenders seemed to do. Haha and despite all this Jordan was better than LeBron and MJ never lost in the finals, dang 
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Jun 9, 2015 23:53
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Rick posted:I'm trying to think of a famous gambler to mix in but I can only see images of professional poker players in my head.
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Jun 9, 2015 23:55
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johnny chan is the jeremy lin of gambling
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Jun 9, 2015 23:55
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