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our military is usless against guerrillas because it's built around a NATO/Warsaw Pact throwdown which is p. similar to a shooting war against the chinese. also, it would never happen because china has nukes too
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for real tho the world figuring out that rough and tumble world sheriff USA ain't got no bullets in his gun is probably pretty bad
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I'm going back to China in a few months. I'll let you know exactly what's going on there, OP. Mostly what's going on is banging rich Chiense girls.
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Jun 11, 2015 18:36
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If China called in their loans given to the US all at once the value of the dollar would collapse almost immediately
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Jun 11, 2015 18:38
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Beef Turret posted:If China called in their loans given to the US all at once the value of the dollar would collapse almost immediately this isnt how it works
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Jun 11, 2015 18:38
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Fojar38 posted:this isnt how it works It'll never happen but it could in theory
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Speaking of nukes there would be a very good chance of a bunch of other countries seeing a war of US vs China as an excuse to launch their own missiles anywhere they please, which will cause more to follow suit until about 65% of the world's population is dead and most of the planet is a radioactive crater. I mean the US could probably beat up any country it wanted. Probably. I'm talking about if it got to a really, really bad point with no second thoughts about nukes. But would that really be a good thing in the long run? I'd say no. /2cents
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IronClaymore posted:I think you can't. I really think it is beyond you without a Total War type effort. Why would we need to do a land invasion? This isn't 1700 we don't care about land anymore. We'll just blockade you and shut your economy down until you're screaming for mercy. You're saying we would have a naval victory and air superiority but that we wouldn't win the war? Come on lol. Yeah we'd take losses (it's war) but just lol if you think the Chinese military is just barely behind the US military. The US is mounting lasers on its warships, China just bought a wooden aircraft carrier. You envision a war in which the USA isn't just fighting China but is already at China's door fighting on Chinese soil/air/water. That's already a major tactical disadvantage. Yeah you'll shoot some of our planes down, we'll make more. You won't be able to, because all your factories and war materiel will get shelled immediately. And honestly ending Chinese cheap labor and resources flooding into our market would suck for a bit but in the long run would probably do a lot to revitalize domestic industry and manufacturing. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Jun 11, 2015 |
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Jun 11, 2015 18:40
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the chinese have got kung fu
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Jun 11, 2015 18:41
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The chinamen are buying up all the fertile land in africa so they can grow their hosed up produce
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Jun 11, 2015 18:41
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they are also buying my apartment a chinaman is buying my apartment. Who knows what he will use it for 
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Jun 11, 2015 18:43
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Beef Turret posted:It'll never happen but it could in theory not really because thats not how international debt works
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Jun 11, 2015 18:43
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Fojar38 posted:the us economy can survive without china Doesn't matter what happens to China. What does America think? Forget the enemy, how would a war effect you? Do you really care what happens to some islands? You didn't care about Tibet. Personally, I reckon every island on the western side of the Pacific could be taken by China before the average American is willing to pay an extra few dollars for consumer goods. There won't be war. Some guy will introduce a bill for trade limitations, and prices will burst, so everyone will argue for the old status quo. And back to normal.
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Jun 11, 2015 18:44
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sure it looks kinda stupid invading Afghanistan on paper, but have you seen the bonuses vs. china from the opium strategic resource?
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Jun 11, 2015 18:44
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Fojar38 posted:not really because thats not how international debt works How so.
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Jun 11, 2015 18:45
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IronClaymore posted:Doesn't matter what happens to China. What does America think? Forget the enemy, how would a war effect you? Do you really care what happens to some islands? You didn't care about Tibet. The only think Americans care more about than cheap consumer goods is being #1 assholes and not taking poo poo from foreign powers so if the Chinese strategy is to just keep poking us until we have to respond hoping that we're just bluffing then idk. Didn't work so well for Japan.
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Jun 11, 2015 18:45
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we control the wu tang secret
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Jun 11, 2015 18:45
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i know what china is doing, but im not telling.
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Jun 11, 2015 18:45
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Beef Turret posted:It'll never happen but it could in theory If the sun suddenly exploded we'd all die it'll never happen but it could in theory
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Jun 11, 2015 18:47
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Serious Frolicking posted:i know what china is doing, but im not telling. That's a drat lie. Nobody knows, and China is not telling.
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Jun 11, 2015 18:48
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SHISHKABOB posted:If the sun suddenly exploded we'd all die it'll never happen but it could in theory Uh, it'll never happen because China's economy would suffer pretty heavily as well
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Jun 11, 2015 18:48
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US military power is useless but not because of the reasons a bunch of silly euros think it's because there's a limit to what you can really do. You just can't in 2015 go around turning entire sections of the world into nothingness. Trust me if you let half the Americans have their way you'd have a lot of really cool flat lands around the world ATM
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Jun 11, 2015 18:49
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Haier posted:I'm going back to China in a few months. I'll let you know exactly what's going on there, OP. Nobody. Knows. And those rich Chinese girls are not telling you about their herpes
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Jun 11, 2015 18:49
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it's sorta like if you played ur lil bro in basketball and refused to actually do any moves to score, used your opposite hand, and played on ur knees, then he bragged when he scored and his friends talked poo poo but instead of dunking on him you just cried and voted for bernie sanders
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Jun 11, 2015 18:50
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/18/us-usa-treasuries-china-idUSTRE70H5NX20110118 Here's some jew to explain it
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Jun 11, 2015 18:50
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CISMALES DID 9-11 posted:it's sorta like if you played ur lil bro in basketball and refused to actually do any moves to score, used your opposite hand, and played on ur knees, then he bragged when he scored and his friends talked poo poo but instead of dunking on him you just cried and voted for bernie sanders I love you.
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Jun 11, 2015 18:51
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Moridin920 posted:Why would we need to do a land invasion? This isn't 1700 we don't care about land anymore. I heard the F-35 can be handily shot down by the old SA-5. Confirm/deny? We all know the SA-10 and 11 have no problems with it. But who needs to defeat the US with warfare, their own nepotism and corruption will do it on their own. Besides, countries aren't owned by governments anymore. And it just so happens that China's resources are too valuable to be destroyed in war. Lots of money in there. I wouldn't be surprised if every missile you have simply fails to detonate on contact with a Chinese military asset. Run the numbers, it's more profitable that way.
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Jun 11, 2015 18:52
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IronClaymore posted:Doesn't matter what happens to China. What does America think? Forget the enemy, how would a war effect you? Do you really care what happens to some islands? You didn't care about Tibet. i dont think you understand americans very well Beef Turret posted:How so. some guy on Yahoo answers posted:China has not "loaned" the U.S. any money. What China has done is bought US Government bonds, the same way that a large number of private investors have.
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Jun 11, 2015 18:53
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I don't like the direction this thread is going. Let's discuss what we don't know but want to think we know about the mysterious land of China. -Bill Bishop, signing off.
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Beef Turret posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/18/us-usa-treasuries-china-idUSTRE70H5NX20110118 Here's some jew to explain it i read that see the thing is that those treasury bonds can only be exchanged for us dollars, so the only way china can exchange them for their own currency is by selling them to another country such as japan ie the effect on the dollar would be negligable the larger concern is what might happen if china STOPS buying us bonds in which case the fed will probably pick up the slack in order to avoid devaluation
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Jun 11, 2015 18:57
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CISMALES DID 9-11 posted:US military power is useless but not because of the reasons a bunch of silly euros think yeah it's moot anyway because a war like that between nuclear powers probably isn't happening without nukes flying
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i mean poo poo if china decides to dump its bonds the federal reserve could buy them straight from china
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Angry Fish posted:I don't like the direction this thread is going. Let's discuss what we don't know but want to think we know about the mysterious land of China. in china i'm like 78% sure that they give cows those lil hats like raiden wears in mortal kombat
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Jun 11, 2015 19:02
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IronClaymore posted:I heard the F-35 can be handily shot down by the old SA-5. Confirm/deny? We all know the SA-10 and 11 have no problems with it. Your kinda nutso aren't ya
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Fojar38 posted:i read that Hm. Well, you're probably more knowledgeable than me since the only econ book I read was by thomas sowell. However, how come every1 is saying the same thing  Idk if I should trust yahoo guy and fojar over the online finance jew from the about dot com site
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Fojar38 posted:the larger concern is what might happen if china STOPS buying us bonds in which case the fed will probably pick up the slack in order to avoid devaluation other people will just buy the bonds. maybe we have to actually start paying an interest rate on those bonds again, but there will be people lined up to buy those bonds. seriously us bonds have been in such insane demand that people/companies have been willing to buy them for literally zero interest. they're knowingly taking a loss in the long run on those bonds (due to inflation) because they're perceived as the safest possible place to put money. it also benefits china to buy bonds, and not just in the "lol prop up the lovely US economy" way either. i'm not worried about whether or not the US will be able to sell bonds. president obama could poo poo his pants on live television and go crazy-eyed as he declares that "we're burning this mother to the ground" and people will still buy bonds. god bless america
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Jun 11, 2015 19:03
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Beef Turret posted:It'll never happen but it could in theory No it couldn't
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Necc0 posted:No it couldn't nuh uh man my uncle said he once knew a guy who pissed off the bank so much that they came and said "pay off your entire mortgage in full by the end of the month or we're taking the house back" even though he'd never missed a payment, so china could totally do the same thing to us
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in china they still mostly light their rice pagoda homes w/ candles
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I mostly learned everything there is to know about china from the movies Iron Monkey and Fearless
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