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Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
I like new dnd

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Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment
I feel like watching two trolls argue in a fruitless manner against each other is a metaphor for Kansas current situation, but damned I'm sure exactly what that metaphor is.

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

Nintendo Kid posted:

Insane man, please describe how they will be able to afford to leave.

https://www.greyhound.com/

be sure to select the "one way" option

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Insane man, you need more than a greyhound ticket to actually live outside Kansas. For example: you need money to buy food, to buy shelter, and then you need to be able to continue affording all that until you find a job.

Please, insane man, describe how these people from Kansas will be able to afford that stuff.

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

Nintendo Kid posted:

Insane man, you need more than a greyhound ticket to actually live outside Kansas. For example: you need money to buy food, to buy shelter, and then you need to be able to continue affording all that until you find a job.

Please, insane man, describe how these people from Kansas will be able to afford that stuff.

you just do it? it's $1000 dollars, not outside like 90% of Kansas' ability to save up

bootstraps son, stop projecting your victimhood on to society as a whole

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

down with slavery posted:

you just do it? it's $1000 dollars, not outside like 90% of Kansas' ability to save up

bootstraps son, stop projecting your victimhood on to society as a whole

It costs far more than $1000 to survive in another place for months at a time until you can get a new job, insane man.

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

Nintendo Kid posted:

It costs far more than $1000 to survive in another place for months at a time until you can get a new job, insane man.

lol if it takes you months to get a job

you realize there are people in Kansas who work in fields that actually have demand right?

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

down with slavery posted:

lol if it takes you months to get a job

It can easily take that for someone who just showed up in a completely random place, insane man.

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

Nintendo Kid posted:

It can easily take that for someone who just showed up in a completely random place, insane man.

not everyone is as bad at interacting with humans as you

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

down with slavery posted:

not everyone is as bad at interacting with humans as you

You're the one who's bad at interacting with humans since you are insane. Most employers would, for example, be more than a little bit suspicious of hiring anyone who just up and quit their job to move across the country on 0 notice.

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

Nintendo Kid posted:

You're the one who's bad at interacting with humans since you are insane. Most employers would, for example, be more than a little bit suspicious of hiring anyone who just up and quit their job to move across the country on 0 notice.

woah woah woah I suggest at least dedicating 90-120 days to planning a move tbqh

why would u just up and leave with 0 notice? are u a moron?

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

down with slavery posted:

woah woah woah I suggest at least dedicating 90-120 days to planning a move tbqh

why would u just up and leave with 0 notice? are u a moron?

Insane man, that is precisely what you wanted them to do.

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

Nintendo Kid posted:

Insane man, that is precisely what you wanted them to do.

please quote

even better, recognize that you're posting delusionally and stop

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

down with slavery posted:

please quote

even better, recognize that you're posting delusionally and stop

Insane man, you clearly didn't expect anyone to do any planning because your only advice for moving is "greyhound.com".

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

Nintendo Kid posted:

Insane man, you clearly didn't expect anyone to do any planning because your only advice for moving is "greyhound.com".

well, if affording it is the primary question, low cost long distance transport is the answer

do you want me to provide a small pdf detailing the best steps for moving that i attach to my posts before I suggest someone relocate ever on the something awful forums?

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

down with slavery posted:

well, if affording it is the primary question, low cost long distance transport is the answer

No it is not, insane man, because transport is only a miniscule amount of the costs of moving and affording life until you have a job. You would know this if you'd ever talked to a human outside a forum and EVE online.

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.



down with slavery posted:

serious question, why don't you leave

I haven't lived in Kansas for over a decade but I have family and friends who are stuck there. The job market is absolute poo poo there and my friends are working jobs they're insanely overqualified for just to make ends meet.

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

Nintendo Kid posted:

You would know this if you'd ever talked to a human outside a forum and EVE online.

project much?

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Dude you're the one who thinks everyone magically gets a job just by walking up and asking, and that the only cost of a move is the literal transport.

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

Nintendo Kid posted:

Dude you're the one who thinks everyone magically gets a job just by walking up and asking, and that the only cost of a move is the literal transport.

[citation needed]

maybe read more and post less

stop abusing the word literal like a 13 year old girl

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

down with slavery posted:

[citation needed]

maybe read more and post less

stop abusing the word literal like a 13 year old girl

down with slavery posted:

lol if it takes you months to get a job


down with slavery posted:

well, if affording it is the primary question, low cost long distance transport is the answer


You appear to have a memory shorter than a goldfish.

down with slavery
Dec 23, 2013
STOP QUOTING MY POSTS SO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T IDIOTS DON'T HAVE TO READ MY FUCKING TERRIBLE OPINIONS THANKS

Nintendo Kid posted:

You appear to have a memory shorter than a goldfish.

everyone magically gets a job just by walking up and asking =/= lol if it takes you months to get a job

hopefully this is enough for you to start understanding why your posts are so bad(hint: stop shoving words into my mouth), let me know if i need to go into more detail

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

down with slavery posted:

everyone magically gets a job just by walking up and asking =/= lol if it takes you months to get a job

hopefully this is enough for you to start understanding why your posts are so bad(hint: stop shoving words into my mouth), let me know if i need to go into more detail

No that is what it is, insane man.

Why haven't you gotten back on your meds yet? You were sane years ago.

Series DD Funding
Nov 25, 2014

by exmarx
down with slavery please post your location, current salary, and occupation, tia

Maarek
Jun 9, 2002

Your silence only incriminates you further.
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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

I remember reading about when hundreds of thousands of Okies all picked up and moved to California at once, and they were all easily able to get new jobs and housing on arrival, bootstrapping themselves into security and prosperity.

Buffer
May 6, 2007
I sometimes turn down sex and blowjobs from my girlfriend because I'm too busy posting in D&D. PS: She used my credit card to pay for this.

VitalSigns posted:

I remember reading about when hundreds of thousands of Okies all picked up and moved to California at once, and they were all easily able to get new jobs and housing on arrival, bootstrapping themselves into security and prosperity.

Really? I'd have gone with that time all those people from the Carolinas managed to move to Oklahoma with hardly a tear among them.

radical meme
Apr 17, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

VitalSigns posted:

I remember reading about when hundreds of thousands of Okies all picked up and moved to California at once, and they were all easily able to get new jobs and housing on arrival, bootstrapping themselves into security and prosperity.

Except that was caused by a man made ecological disaster, not an economic disaster but still, a decent analogy.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
Edit: Nevermind!

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*

ShadowCatboy posted:

What's actually kind of amazing is how current events in Kansas have arisen due to a very clear domino effect that's spiraling out of control:

1. Obama is elected. Backlash from the Right due to controversial fiscal policy decisions and fear of tax increases under a Democratic President leads to the formation of the Tea Party in 2010.
2. Sam Brownback rides in on the Tea Party wave with extreme supply-side economic measures in mind.
3. Brownback institutes massive tax cuts hoping to stimulate the economy.
4. The resulting Kansas revenue shortfall leads to a massive deficit that is nigh impossible to fix as crucial public services have already been cut to the bone.
5. On top of the budgetary crapfest, Kansas Supreme Court rules that the drastically defunded schools are grossly insufficient. On top of the looming $600 million deficit Brownback has to increase funding for schools by $550 million.
6. Brownback & the GOP Legislature retaliate by trying to strip the Judiciary of fundamental administrative powers and will defund it entirely if these changes are rebuked.
7. At an important campaign event for the 2016 election, a major GOP leader is decapitated in an act of treachery and an elephant's head is sewn onto his body. The morbid effigy is paraded around on horseback as Obama cackles in glee from the White House. The Kansan Mujahideen swear fealty to our Kenyan Muslim overlord, while the ensuing collapse of the Heartland leads to a weakening of border security. Mexican wights have been seen in the South in massive hordes.

Okay, #7 hasn't exactly happened yet, but with the political chaos, internal strife, and moderate VS Tea Party backstabbing that's going on in Kansas it's on the horizon.

A very detailed summary, however I can offer a more concise one!:

1. Black President is elected

2. Kansas: AAAAUHHHHHHHHHHHH!

ShadowCatboy
Jan 22, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
I honestly didn't realize that Gibbis had a Kansas thread too. I just dug up this lovely little chestnut from there:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/25/opinion/toyota-moving-northward.html?_r=0

Basically in 2005 Toyota wanted to build a new manufacturing plant and were going to choose between Kansas and Ontario. Now even though Kansas had low, low taxes for businesses in the hopes of attracting new industries, Toyota was absolutely appalled by the lack of education and basic infrastructure. The Toyota guys found that "the educational level in the Southern United States was so low that trainers for Japanese plants in Alabama had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech equipment."

Meanwhile in socialist commie tax-loving Canada, Ontario got a new Toyota plant. Even though the company would experience more corporate taxation there, the population was actually able to learn how to use the machinery quickly and effectively because they, y'know, invested in schools. The fact that Toyota didn't have to directly pay for benefits (since everyone was already covered under their national health care plan) was also a major plus.

Brave New World
Mar 10, 2010

ShadowCatboy posted:

I honestly didn't realize that Gibbis had a Kansas thread too. I just dug up this lovely little chestnut from there:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/25/opinion/toyota-moving-northward.html?_r=0

Basically in 2005 Toyota wanted to build a new manufacturing plant and were going to choose between Kansas and Ontario. Now even though Kansas had low, low taxes for businesses in the hopes of attracting new industries, Toyota was absolutely appalled by the lack of education and basic infrastructure. The Toyota guys found that "the educational level in the Southern United States was so low that trainers for Japanese plants in Alabama had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech equipment."

Meanwhile in socialist commie tax-loving Canada, Ontario got a new Toyota plant. Even though the company would experience more corporate taxation there, the population was actually able to learn how to use the machinery quickly and effectively because they, y'know, invested in schools. The fact that Toyota didn't have to directly pay for benefits (since everyone was already covered under their national health care plan) was also a major plus.

To be clear, the state in question was Alabama- not Kansas. It's all part of the same miasma of regressive idiocy that's killing these red states as a whole.

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Call Me Charlie posted:

:qq: where's my super secret black people welfare :qq:

That's the saddest thing about that article. There's a large group of people suffering and they can't see past themselves far enough to realize that others could be in the same situation through no choice of their own (layoffs, bad job market, medical emergencies, etc) instead of the myth of the welfare queen.

This is something I've encountered a bunch of times among rural poor. People seem to think that somewhere, there's people getting by on welfare. It's either illegal immigrants, or urban poor, or black people... anyone but them. Because they can tell that the safety nets aren't working for them, so it's gotta be just working for someone else. However, those people are right there, cause they're experiencing how cruel our systems are and how they really don't help people. It's really not that big of a leap to see past them, to see that people all over are facing the same issues they are.

ShadowCatboy
Jan 22, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Brave New World posted:

To be clear, the state in question was Alabama- not Kansas. It's all part of the same miasma of regressive idiocy that's killing these red states as a whole.

Well poo poo. The state is right there in the part I quoted too. :(

The_Raven
Jul 2, 2004

Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved?

Grondoth posted:

This is something I've encountered a bunch of times among rural poor. People seem to think that somewhere, there's people getting by on welfare. It's either illegal immigrants, or urban poor, or black people... anyone but them. Because they can tell that the safety nets aren't working for them, so it's gotta be just working for someone else. However, those people are right there, cause they're experiencing how cruel our systems are and how they really don't help people. It's really not that big of a leap to see past them, to see that people all over are facing the same issues they are.

It's because this mindset is promoted by conservatives and allowed to be propagated in their churches. The poor whites believe that their pastors would never lie to them about how Jesus wants them to be successful, but they are being held back by those lousy takers.

They give one man a nickel
And tell the other it's a dime
Just the crumbs from their table
It's all by design

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

ShadowCatboy posted:

Well poo poo. The state is right there in the part I quoted too. :(

Don't worry, KS will be there soon. :)

ShadowCatboy
Jan 22, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Well it looks like Kansas may be rolling back one of the dumbest provisions in their welfare reform: limiting ATM withdrawals for those on welfare to 25$ a day, an idea that could only have sprouted from a very very stupid brain because:

*The vast majority of ATMs don't dispense 5$ bills, so this is actually a 20$ a day limit.
*Making small daily withdrawals instead of one lump sum means withdrawal fees every goddamn time. Enjoy having as much as 15% of your welfare eaten up just from ATM fees.
*If an ATM isn't readily accessible on your daily route (particularly if you take public transport) getting your welfare money is even more of a hassle.

I don't understand these fuckwits at all. Hell, I'm not even sure these Legislators go to a bank regularly.

McAlister
Nov 3, 2002

by exmarx

ShadowCatboy posted:

Well it looks like Kansas may be rolling back one of the dumbest provisions in their welfare reform: limiting ATM withdrawals for those on welfare to 25$ a day, an idea that could only have sprouted from a very very stupid brain because:

I don't understand these fuckwits at all. Hell, I'm not even sure these Legislators go to a bank regularly.

Fee scams are a thing. Several large employers tried only offering pay on debit cards with usage fees attached for awhile but got shot down in court over it:

http://www.today.com/money/feds-employers-cant-force-payroll-debit-cards-workers-8C11312099

The kind of crazy fee structures on these cards ( a fee for checking your balance? Really? REALLY? ) reeks of kickback and/or the employer owning the financial institution that issued the cards.

What I'm saying is, don't be so quick to attribute to ignorance what is explainable by corruption on this one.

Armani
Jun 22, 2008

Now it's been 17 summers since I've seen my mother

But every night I see her smile inside my dreams

ShadowCatboy posted:

I don't understand these fuckwits at all. Hell, I'm not even sure these Legislators go to a bank outside and talk with normal people face-to-face regularly.

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boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

McAlister posted:

Fee scams are a thing. Several large employers tried only offering pay on debit cards with usage fees attached for awhile but got shot down in court over it:

http://www.today.com/money/feds-employers-cant-force-payroll-debit-cards-workers-8C11312099

The kind of crazy fee structures on these cards ( a fee for checking your balance? Really? REALLY? ) reeks of kickback and/or the employer owning the financial institution that issued the cards.

What I'm saying is, don't be so quick to attribute to ignorance what is explainable by corruption on this one.

yeah, i was working at a restaurant a few years ago when the owner made an attempt to shift to one of these pay-on-debit things. i think they told him it would make his payroll easier. some of the younger employees signed up for it but everyone else was incredulous when they read the details, it was like a ten dollar maintenance fee per month if you didn't keep $500 in the account. five dollar withdrawl fee and it was one some weird network with like no convenient atms. gently caress that noise. these two chucklehead bank reps trying to convince us to sign up got completely roasted by one of our busboys who had just started like a finance degree in college or something, a real straightlaced church kid type who was really into playing the market and stuff so he asked these dudes some seriously uncomfortable questions and was just amazed in all of his twenty years of life that anyone would ever willingly choose to insert an unnecessary middleman between themselves and their employer

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