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fishhooked posted:It's going to be interesting to see how this impacts grocery stores on the KS side. Our closest grocery store is on the KS side at about 1mile away. We'll be going slightly further to the nearest grocery store in the MO side, you can bet most others are going to be doing the same. The sad thing is that, even though I haven't lived in KCMO for 20+ years, as a little kid, it was super easy to tell when we were in Kansas versus Missouri. And we certainly did not live in any of the affluent areas. Northeast was, and certainly is now lower class. I'm willing to bet that Price Chopper and the like will close various stores on the KS side if Kansans are going to MO for their shopping needs. Will Wal-mart also be impacted by this?
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fishhooked posted:what I'm vague on is what the KS sales tax on groceries/food was before. Was it 6.15% and had tax breaks for lower income kansans when they filed returns or was it literally 0% and will now be 6.5%? I should probably know this already... I could go buy something now and check, but I think it's the same as anywhere else. And by that I mean 8 to 9%. Edit: gently caress it, I'm going to buy something, I need to get out of the house.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:21
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The sales tax has always applied to food, part of brownback's original plan was to remove the tax from food items. Of course after they realized how much of a deficit there was in the budget that was quickly axed.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:44
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So in their pursuit of their ideal policies, they've completely wrecked the Kansas economy, and their solution is to drive people in KC to shop in the Missouri part, which will probably decrease the revenues they will earn from their tax hike, thereby proving their point about taxes. Which is probably an accidental outcome, let's be honest, they aren't that smart. So after all the damage, they'll cut the sales tax, satisfied that they just made an ideological point, and be in an even worse situation. Of course, because they cannot fathom how a progressive income tax could actually raise money, they will completely miss the real problem. Bravo Kansas.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:55
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:So in their pursuit of their ideal policies, they've completely wrecked the Kansas economy, and their solution is to drive people in KC to shop in the Missouri part, which will probably decrease the revenues they will earn from their tax hike, thereby proving their point about taxes. Which is probably an accidental outcome, let's be honest, they aren't that smart. Well, there's a silver lining to all this. At least Missouri's economy will get a bump out of Brownback's shenanigans.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:21
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Bought 3.43 in stuff at a Price chopper, which came to 3.73, for a tax rate of 8.746%. The items were: Drinking water: .70 Snapple Diet Peach: 1.00 Tortillas: 1.00 Granny Smith apple: .73 There is no food discount for Sales Tax. And the true fact under the Snapple Lid is (other than diet Peach snapple tastes like it came from someone's rear end): Before Thomas Jefferson took office people bowed to the President, rather than shaking his hand.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:38
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fishhooked posted:It's going to be interesting to see how this impacts grocery stores on the KS side. Our closest grocery store is on the KS side at about 1mile away. We'll be going slightly further to the nearest grocery store in the MO side, you can bet most others are going to be doing the same. Kinda off topic, but it's a funny story: my family's all from KC (MO) and as such we visited there a lot. My favorite memory isn't Winstead's onion rings, barbecue, or anything like that: it was seeing a Hy-Vee on State Line Road that had the grocery part on the KS side (for "most of our shoppers come from JoCo" reasons) and the liquor part on the MO side (for "Missouri has absurdly liberal liquor laws, unlike Kansas" reasons).
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Jun 17, 2015 18:41
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Radbot posted:Wow, that Nation article was some delicious schadenfreude. Stupid, spiteful Americans that regard planning or saving for the future anathema to REAL MURICA getting their bitter just desserts. Literally the left-wing equivalent of those fuckers who yelled "Yeah!" when Ron Paul got asked if society should just let an uninsured man die
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What you have to understand about Radbot is he is the flesh and blood personification of what a rabid right wing person thinks a liberal is like.
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Anora posted:Bought 3.43 in stuff at a Price chopper, which came to 3.73, for a tax rate of 8.746%. It shouldn't surprise me after reading this thread but it blows my loving mind that there is a sales tax, let alone almost a 9% sales tax, on grocery items. What the gently caress man, that aint cool at all.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Literally the left-wing equivalent of those fuckers who yelled "Yeah!" when Ron Paul got asked if society should just let an uninsured man die To be clear it's only the people who voted for Brownback I want to suffer here. I would support a program to resettle anyone who wants into blue states, and then to build a giant fence around Kansas to keep the Tea Party people in, complete with watchtowers, armed guards and dogs
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Jun 17, 2015 19:15
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DarkSol posted:Well, guess who has to shoulder a lot of the new sales tax burden? KCKC, of course. What will happen: Smaller chains will dry up and blow away. ....and get replaced by Wal Marts.
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icantfindaname posted:To be clear it's only the people who voted for Brownback I want to suffer here. I would support a program to resettle anyone who wants into blue states, and then to build a giant fence around Kansas to keep the Tea Party people in, complete with watchtowers, armed guards and dogs As a disabled person, I earnestly believe that we should treat all people, no matter how defective or broken, with a certain baseline of compassion Although I share your hatred of them, I still cannot support such a proposal
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Jun 17, 2015 20:03
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Part of being an adult is understanding that not everyone shares your preferences or tastes, and may want things that you don't want or like things that you don't like, and that's ok. Some people may like living in Kansas despite whatever acute political issues they're having. That's ok. Not everyone is willing to sell their property, uproot their lives, and move to whatever hip city in the manner of a driftless twentysomething fresh out of college. That's ok.
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Jun 17, 2015 20:11
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icantfindaname posted:To be clear it's only the people who voted for Brownback I want to suffer here. I would support a program to resettle anyone who wants into blue states, and then to build a giant fence around Kansas to keep the Tea Party people in, complete with watchtowers, armed guards and dogs They'll have kids. Also, people who we failed to educate well shouldn't be punished for being ignorant and dumb.
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If you legitimately want people to suffer because they voted for The Other Guy then you have the morals and political understanding of a child. The only people in Kansas who will suffer from the failed policies of Brownback are people who are essentially powerless in our political system. The people who have the real power will insulate themselves with money, as they always do, and their lives will probably become even more awesome. More importantly (at least for the purposes of D&D) if you believe this kind of dumb poo poo you are playing directly into their hands by directing your ire away from men like the Koch brothers and fantasizing about the misery of regular people just like you. Sadly it's a very effective strategy that helps maintain the status quo. The big difference is that if you spend enough time thinking and talking about politics to post in this thread you absolutely should know better.
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Jun 17, 2015 20:31
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hobbesmaster posted:Wait if I moved to Kansas I'd pay no state income tax on 1099 income so long as I create a LLC? Pretty much, yeah. That's a big part of why the 2012 tax cuts caught all the tea party by surprise as far as projected vs actual revenue cuts went. Pretty much any law firm and private medical practice went from a standard business structure to being a collection of LLCs who happen to split rent on a building. Bonus points if they turned secretaries into independent contractors so that the lawyer/doctor/whatever alone is the only employee and had exactly 0 tax burden.
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Troy Queef posted:Kinda off topic, but it's a funny story: my family's all from KC (MO) and as such we visited there a lot. My favorite memory isn't Winstead's onion rings, barbecue, or anything like that: it was seeing a Hy-Vee on State Line Road that had the grocery part on the KS side (for "most of our shoppers come from JoCo" reasons) and the liquor part on the MO side (for "Missouri has absurdly liberal liquor laws, unlike Kansas" reasons).
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Jun 17, 2015 20:42
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tbf if the US doesn't destroy neoliberalism within the next ten or so years then you'll eventually get a Republican president who'll enact Brownback levels of austerity on a federal basis and everyone'll be hosed
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Jun 17, 2015 20:43
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Venomous posted:tbf if the US doesn't destroy neoliberalism within the next ten or so years then you'll eventually get a Republican president who'll enact Brownback levels of austerity on a federal basis and everyone'll be hosed Nah, that would hurt big time business and that's a no-go.
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DeathSandwich posted:Pretty much, yeah. That's a big part of why the 2012 tax cuts caught all the tea party by surprise as far as projected vs actual revenue cuts went. Pretty much any law firm and private medical practice went from a standard business structure to being a collection of LLCs who happen to split rent on a building. Bonus points if they turned secretaries into independent contractors so that the lawyer/doctor/whatever alone is the only employee and had exactly 0 tax burden. Lets see here Kansas is 2.7% up to $15k and 4.8% above that. Since you can deduct what would be the employer's share of the FICA tax from income it seems like the break even point on self employed is relatively low? Did any accountants look at this? 
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Small Frozen Thing posted:As a disabled person, I earnestly believe that we should treat all people, no matter how defective or broken, with a certain baseline of compassion I think Jeb is right and people like you should have more skin in the game so to speak.
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fits my needs posted:I think Jeb is right and people like you should have more skin in the game so to speak. I think you should crawl back into your IT hole
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hobbesmaster posted:Did any accountants look at this? That economist? Arthur Laffer 
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Maarek posted:If you legitimately want people to suffer because they voted for The Other Guy then you have the morals and political understanding of a child. The only people in Kansas who will suffer from the failed policies of Brownback are people who are essentially powerless in our political system. The people who have the real power will insulate themselves with money, as they always do, and their lives will probably become even more awesome. More importantly (at least for the purposes of D&D) if you believe this kind of dumb poo poo you are playing directly into their hands by directing your ire away from men like the Koch brothers and fantasizing about the misery of regular people just like you. Sadly it's a very effective strategy that helps maintain the status quo. Pretty sure Republicans wouldn't get elected if "regular people" stopped voting for them.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:I think you should crawl back into your IT hole I don't work in IT. I guess you can go back to pretending to be an anime Orc or whatever it is you do with your friends?
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Jun 17, 2015 21:25
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Series DD Funding posted:Pretty sure Republicans wouldn't get elected if "regular people" stopped voting for them. Yes, but the schadenfreude is indicative of a mindset that views all of this in the context of team sports rather than that of a person trying to make the world a better place. Brownback's Democratic challenger got 46% of the vote. Do those people deserve to suffer too? How about their children?
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fits my needs posted:I don't work in IT. I don't believe you
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Brave New World posted:Yes, but the schadenfreude is indicative of a mindset that views all of this in the context of team sports rather than that of a person trying to make the world a better place. No, and people in this thread have repeatedly said that even if they are happy to see Republican voters reap what they sow, they don't think it's fair that every who voted otherwise/couldn't vote should?
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Brave New World posted:Yes, but the schadenfreude is indicative of a mindset that views all of this in the context of team sports rather than that of a person trying to make the world a better place. No one has stated that everyone in Kansas deserves to suffer. People are mixed on whether republican voter's suffering should be enjoyed. Everyone hates Brownback.
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Troy Queef posted:Kinda off topic, but it's a funny story: my family's all from KC (MO) and as such we visited there a lot. My favorite memory isn't Winstead's onion rings, barbecue, or anything like that: it was seeing a Hy-Vee on State Line Road that had the grocery part on the KS side (for "most of our shoppers come from JoCo" reasons) and the liquor part on the MO side (for "Missouri has absurdly liberal liquor laws, unlike Kansas" reasons). This is exactly the store I was referencing. The other lovely thing to the ks sales tax increase is it further reduces municipalities/school district s ability to raise their own. It's already hard to get the voters to fund a local school or CIP program as it is, now it'll be impossible.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Part of being an adult is understanding that not everyone shares your preferences or tastes, and may want things that you don't want or like things that you don't like, and that's ok. Would having to deal with the consequences of your choices also be part of being an adult? As adults they voted for people who are burning their states economy at the altar of Grover Norquist. As adults they shouldn't have to deal with the outcome of their adult choices? If the federal government offered to help fix their poo poo and they told them to gently caress off, do we now get to say "Fine, you wanted this bed so sleep in it"? And because it's become necessary: the people who voted for republicans since D&D is rapidly turning into straw land. Pretty much everyone agrees the rest should not have to suffer and I would have no problem with a program to help people relocate but the ones who want to stay while I wish they didn't have to suffer chose to do so. A common thought is addicts have to hit rock bottom before they realize they need help. Let them hit the bottom they wanted to hit. Maybe they'll change their minds, maybe they'll enjoy wallowing in their misery, either way they chose to be there.
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Take in mind that 46% that didn't vote for him is actually telling, as it should have been a much smaller number in this red state. The KC star was actually really surprised he wasn't seeing much higher approval, and thought that it might tell him to stop being so... Brownback. I also need to look into the Streetcar thing in KCK, as I remember it getting voted down by the people, but one of the Government officials (maybe the mayor) said something to the effect of "I don't care if the people don't like it, it's going in." Which kind of feels like a weird Microcosm of the state's issues. Edit: Streetcar is in KCMO, not KCK. Anora fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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Toasticle posted:Would having to deal with the consequences of your choices also be part of being an adult? As adults they voted for people who are burning their states economy at the altar of Grover Norquist. As adults they shouldn't have to deal with the outcome of their adult choices? If the federal government offered to help fix their poo poo and they told them to gently caress off, do we now get to say "Fine, you wanted this bed so sleep in it"? This is still a pretty wretched position to take Children should not suffer because their parents are horrible idiots It shouldn't be true for anti-vaxxers, it shouldn't be true for Kansans.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:This is still a pretty wretched position to take "I know better than you" is exactly a major criticism of liberals from conservatives. I wish it were different but I'm not going to pretend I'm right and get to enforce what I think is best on other people. Except for the anti-vaxxers, they are risking other people's lives, for me that's the line. If you want to wallow in filth that's your choice but risking infecting other people and possibly causing an epidemic, no. I also wish those kids had access to better... Well. Everything. But if we want to pretend that people get to have opinions and rights we don't agree with unless there is actual abuse not educating your kids is not something you get to force on someone. Hopefully they can escape when they turn 18 but before that, again barring abuse or neglect, people get to raise their kids the way they think is best no matter how much I hate it.
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As someone who actually works for a Kansas School district (as an IT guy, I'm technically admin staff but I'm in classrooms enough to hear how teachers are feeling) I can say so far we haven't had to start firing staff or ending the school year early yet, though another round of budget cuts and we might have to start. Right now we are floating our fully staffed personnel costs by cutting school expense accounts and by extension teacher classroom accounts. The school provides some money to teachers to buy necessary school supplies (glue, art supplies, ect) and that's down to $100 per teacher for the entire school year. When you have a class of 20 this is generally enough for 1 art project. This effectively means that teachers are buying glue sticks and watercolor paint and glitter and whatnot out of their own personal paychecks because they are desperately holding onto that classroom budget for more immediate emergencies. This also means field trips are out and basically any extra-curricular that isn't a sport and costs money to run is getting slashed. The district provided iPad carts to pretty much every elementary classroom that were bought before poo poo hit the fan, but for the time being we only load free apps on there. Tech doesn't have the budget to buy iPad apps and any purchases have to be done with approval of the principal out of the specific school's expense account. What this means almost every time is that the Principal will only approve it if it comes out of said teacher's pittance of a classroom budget which 99% of the time means we can't do poo poo with it because the classroom budget is already spent or being saved for more important things. Our High School provided laptops for students on a 1 to 1 basis to ensure they can work at home for the last 10 years. This last year we had to decide to update curriculum books or do a technology refresh to get the old and busted devices out and get a run of chromebooks for the kids. School board opted for the technology over curriculum so now they have up to date laptops to work based off of a 12 year old curriculum book. I will say this, compared to my girlfriend's job at the Larned State Hospital (Effectively a mental hospital for the criminally insane), my school's problems are a breeze. The state hospital is understaffed by a factor of about half of it's total personnel capacity. The turnover their is higher than they can get people in because of the working conditions. Because of the understaffed problem, employees are literally doing the work of two people and are specifically told there is no overtime to be had so they have to cram it all in a 40 hour work week. Because of this, there is a wink-wink nudge-nudge attitude of "Stay late unpaid and get your work done or leave on time and have poo poo snowball on you". If you get caught by your boss staying late you get written up. This is one of the only places in the area that pays livable wages though, so you have to put up with the bullshit or move (of which she is working on doing to be closer to me, but that's neither here nor there). DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jun 18, 2015 |
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Small Frozen Thing posted:This is still a pretty wretched position to take Well, maybe. But there's always a bigger picture. Brownback was once considered a potential presidential contender by no less than Grover Norquist: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/371839/brownback-2016-norquist-bets-kansas-gov-betsy-woodruff National Review, Feb 24, 2014 posted:Norquist tells National Review Online that Brownback is strategically positioned for a 2016 presidential bid, and that he’ll be a competitive candidate . . . if he decides to run... No one wishes ill on Kansans or their children. But we'd be very happy to see shitbirds like Brownback fall flat on their face in failure before infecting the rest of the country with their lunatic ideals.
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Toasticle posted:Would having to deal with the consequences of your choices also be part of being an adult? As adults they voted for people who are burning their states economy at the altar of Grover Norquist. As adults they shouldn't have to deal with the outcome of their adult choices? If the federal government offered to help fix their poo poo and they told them to gently caress off, do we now get to say "Fine, you wanted this bed so sleep in it"? Yes, obviously, the solution to a badly educated populace voting for the Koch-financed Tea Party is to stand back and let the Koch's further corrupt and destroy the education system, that should fix things right up in a jiffy.
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Oh, before you all evacuate Kansas, go see the collection of Chinese and Asian art at the Nelson-Atkins Museum in Kansas City. It's genuinely amazing. Then move to a blue state.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh, before you all evacuate Kansas, go see the collection of Chinese and Asian art at the Nelson-Atkins Museum in Kansas City. It's genuinely amazing. Then move to a blue state. NAM is in missourah
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