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A Bad King
Jul 17, 2009


Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?
I'm moving to China.

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Wicker Man
Sep 5, 2007

Just like Columbus...


Clapping Larry
Rome 2: Electric Boogaloo.

wyntyr
Mar 27, 2006
OP asked if America is crumbling and followed it with :words: about military might as if there's a direct correlation at all

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

LeoMarr posted:

my interest piqued when you thinly implied that the RAHOWA was a possibility

White folks have been preaching that RAHOWA has been around the corner since before the Civil War and yet it has never come and probably never will.

Smoking_Dragon posted:

Is this the same Russian that predicted America have a civil war and be split up by now??

Russia projects so much that it should be a movie theater.

King of Bees
Dec 28, 2012
Gravy Boat 2k
America r cumpling

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Angry Fish posted:

I'm moving to China.

said nobody ever

Helpimscared
Jun 16, 2014

Angry Fish posted:

I'm moving to China.

I'm moving to North Korea

Toadvine
Mar 16, 2009
Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.
Remember when wars were dignified? You fight and kill each other, but when bested you laid down your rifle and put up your hands. These terrorists think they gotta fight us to the last, but they don't. Look at the Japanese. They went hard nuts for a while and we still gave them back their country. If people would just play by the rules America would be uber alles again.

naem
May 29, 2011


Shithouse Dave
Aug 5, 2007

each post manufactured to the highest specifications


America is the LLJKSiLk of nations. Incredibly dysfunctional, but convinced it is the best in the world at everything ever.

"We're doing great compared to everyone else!" *has insane healthcare costs, no guaranteed vacation, sick or parental leave, min wage can't sustain a single person in many places, cops shoot folks for being black, homelessness rife among people without addictions/serious mental illness, textbook content dictated by loving Texas, infrastructure crumbling*

USA #1!!!!!!

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

Toadvine posted:

Remember when wars were dignified? You fight and kill each other, but when bested you laid down your rifle and put up your hands. These terrorists think they gotta fight us to the last, but they don't. Look at the Japanese. They went hard nuts for a while and we still gave them back their country. If people would just play by the rules America would be uber alles again.

wars were never dignified they were always bunches of dudes out in the middle of nowhere with shameful, shameful urges for their fellow soldiers.

corpuscollossus
Apr 19, 2007
No matter how hosed the planet gets, America will find a way to gently caress it harder.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
america fucks people, russia fucks concepts. china is the one that is really dedicated to loving the earth itself, though all three do a bit of each on top of their specialty.

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

quakster
Jul 21, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
pisschrist will save us, hallelujah

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
Pretty sure Stalin about to finally take the US. Just been chilling since '53, but know seems as good a time as any to bring the US into the loving hands or Stalinist, USSR.

After that US will be more stable and prosper then its ever been!

Avalanche
Feb 2, 2007
I think we're ok for now:

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Avalanche posted:

I think we're ok for now:



The United Soviet Army sure has a lot of navy carries.

Capitalist scum countries are hosed.

quakster
Jul 21, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
all the guns in the world can't stop brain cancer

Beef Turret
Jul 9, 2009

by Lowtax
The disease is inside of you.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
good I hope our "military might" crumbles and we just merge with Canada and get legalized weed, good healthcare and plentiful jobs, with the only downside being everything is like five bucks more expensive

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

quakster posted:

all the guns in the world can't stop brain cancer

It can if your surgeon has a small caliber and a steady hand.

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer

LeoMarr posted:

The crisis and chaos engulfing the Middle East and Ukraine is evidence of US imperial decline, as Washington learns the harsh lesson that no empire lasts forever.

In the wake of the Vietnam War - the end of which was marked by news footage of US personnel and a select few Vietnamese collaborators being evacuated from the roof of the US Embassy in Saigon in 1975 - the United States entered a prolonged period of decline when it came to its ability to embark on major military operations.

For all the massive destructive power in its arsenal, the Vietnamese had exposed US imperialism as a giant with feet of clay. The name given to this period of hard power retreat was the ‘Vietnam syndrome’ and lasted from 1975 to 1991, when the US and an international coalition embarked on the First Gulf War to force Iraqi troops out of Kuwait.

We are witnessing a similar period of US imperial decline now with regard to Washington’s inability to stage large-scale military operations. It arrived as a consequence of the failed occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which achieved nothing except the eruption of terrorism and extremism across the region, and by extension the world.

The huge resources expended have further crippled Washington’s imperial power, while the fragmentation of social cohesion in the US itself – witnessed by the brutal treatment of the nation’s poor, migrants, and blacks - reveals a society that is close to imploding. The parallels with the sixties and seventies are clear in this regard.


As far back as 2005, the Washington Post had identified this ‘Iraq syndrome.’ In an article exploring the record of then outgoing US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the newspaper asserted: “Whenever Rumsfeld finally packs up his office at the Pentagon, he will leave behind an even more burdensome Iraq syndrome - the renewed, nagging and sometimes paralyzing belief that any large-scale US military intervention abroad is doomed to practical failure and moral iniquity.”

Ten years later, with an Islamic version of the Khmer Rouge in the shape of the so-called Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) running rampant across Syria and Iraq, the present administration is reduced to conducting a desultory and, up to this point, impotent, air campaign against IS, which continues growing and increasing its grip on territory in Syria and Iraq.

The complexities of the Middle East are well known. The presence of the bulk of the world’s energy reserves has ensured the region’s status as the frontline in the struggle for and against US hegemony. At the same time, the multiple ethnic, confessional, and tribal identities that crisscross the region have long ensured it remains a potential powder keg, ready to explode if exacerbated.


Such an explosion took place with the NATO air war against the Gaddafi regime in Libya in 2011. Intended to ensure the Libyan phase of the Arab Spring landed safely upon the shores of Western geopolitical interests, the toppling of Gaddafi instead opened the gates of hell out of which have poured tens of thousands of primeval fanatics whose bloodlust knows no bounds.

Washington and its European allies have been unable to control the spread of this fanaticism, which has grown with the connivance of its regional allies – Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and the various Gulf monarchies that together make up the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC).

Obama’s decision not to proceed with planned airstrikes against the Syrian government in the aftermath of an alleged chemical weapons attack against a rebel-controlled Damascus suburb in 2013 left his credibility in tatters. Perceiving the president as weak, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have been acting in pursuit of their own agendas, which means doing whatever it takes to stem Shia Iranian influence, and/or working to reassert Sunni domination region-wide.
The AIIB joins the New Development Bank that China also set up last year in partnership with Russia, India, Brazil and South Africa. Also known as the BRICS bank, it took its place alongside the pre-existing Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) development bank as part of a new global financial infrastructure operating independently of Washington. The SCO has also established its own currency reserve to help cushion its members against financial shocks or crises, such as the one that emanated from the US financial system in 2008.

Taken together, we are able to chart the relative decline of US hegemony and unipolarity, unfolding economically, geopolitically, culturally and militarily. The dangers as this process unfolds are evident in the spread of extremism and fanaticism as regional allies increasingly pursue their own agendas, regardless of how damaging to US interests they may be in terms of sowing instability.

As with the Roman Empire centuries before it, Washington is learning that the only thing permanent in this world is impermanence, especially imperial power resting on foundations of hypocrisy and injustice.

Good.

Toadvine
Mar 16, 2009
Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.

Serious Frolicking posted:

wars were never dignified they were always bunches of dudes out in the middle of nowhere with shameful, shameful urges for their fellow soldiers.

There is no shame in taking care of the man next to you, whatever that may entail. War is inherently gay.

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!

LeoMarr posted:

The crisis and chaos engulfing the Middle East and Ukraine is evidence of US imperial decline, as Washington learns the harsh lesson that no empire lasts forever.

In the wake of the Vietnam War - the end of which was marked by news footage of US personnel and a select few Vietnamese collaborators being evacuated from the roof of the US Embassy in Saigon in 1975 - the United States entered a prolonged period of decline when it came to its ability to embark on major military operations.

For all the massive destructive power in its arsenal, the Vietnamese had exposed US imperialism as a giant with feet of clay. The name given to this period of hard power retreat was the ‘Vietnam syndrome’ and lasted from 1975 to 1991, when the US and an international coalition embarked on the First Gulf War to force Iraqi troops out of Kuwait.

We are witnessing a similar period of US imperial decline now with regard to Washington’s inability to stage large-scale military operations. It arrived as a consequence of the failed occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which achieved nothing except the eruption of terrorism and extremism across the region, and by extension the world.

The huge resources expended have further crippled Washington’s imperial power, while the fragmentation of social cohesion in the US itself – witnessed by the brutal treatment of the nation’s poor, migrants, and blacks - reveals a society that is close to imploding. The parallels with the sixties and seventies are clear in this regard.


As far back as 2005, the Washington Post had identified this ‘Iraq syndrome.’ In an article exploring the record of then outgoing US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, the newspaper asserted: “Whenever Rumsfeld finally packs up his office at the Pentagon, he will leave behind an even more burdensome Iraq syndrome - the renewed, nagging and sometimes paralyzing belief that any large-scale US military intervention abroad is doomed to practical failure and moral iniquity.”

Ten years later, with an Islamic version of the Khmer Rouge in the shape of the so-called Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) running rampant across Syria and Iraq, the present administration is reduced to conducting a desultory and, up to this point, impotent, air campaign against IS, which continues growing and increasing its grip on territory in Syria and Iraq.

The complexities of the Middle East are well known. The presence of the bulk of the world’s energy reserves has ensured the region’s status as the frontline in the struggle for and against US hegemony. At the same time, the multiple ethnic, confessional, and tribal identities that crisscross the region have long ensured it remains a potential powder keg, ready to explode if exacerbated.


Such an explosion took place with the NATO air war against the Gaddafi regime in Libya in 2011. Intended to ensure the Libyan phase of the Arab Spring landed safely upon the shores of Western geopolitical interests, the toppling of Gaddafi instead opened the gates of hell out of which have poured tens of thousands of primeval fanatics whose bloodlust knows no bounds.

Washington and its European allies have been unable to control the spread of this fanaticism, which has grown with the connivance of its regional allies – Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and the various Gulf monarchies that together make up the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC).

Obama’s decision not to proceed with planned airstrikes against the Syrian government in the aftermath of an alleged chemical weapons attack against a rebel-controlled Damascus suburb in 2013 left his credibility in tatters. Perceiving the president as weak, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have been acting in pursuit of their own agendas, which means doing whatever it takes to stem Shia Iranian influence, and/or working to reassert Sunni domination region-wide.
The AIIB joins the New Development Bank that China also set up last year in partnership with Russia, India, Brazil and South Africa. Also known as the BRICS bank, it took its place alongside the pre-existing Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) development bank as part of a new global financial infrastructure operating independently of Washington. The SCO has also established its own currency reserve to help cushion its members against financial shocks or crises, such as the one that emanated from the US financial system in 2008.

Taken together, we are able to chart the relative decline of US hegemony and unipolarity, unfolding economically, geopolitically, culturally and militarily. The dangers as this process unfolds are evident in the spread of extremism and fanaticism as regional allies increasingly pursue their own agendas, regardless of how damaging to US interests they may be in terms of sowing instability.

As with the Roman Empire centuries before it, Washington is learning that the only thing permanent in this world is impermanence, especially imperial power resting on foundations of hypocrisy and injustice.

Good question, op.

However, you are an idiot. America is the Great Satan. We cannot be destroyed. We are the eternal fire of pure bloodlust. We shall overcome and obliterate all who stand before us and laugh as fools bow before our might. Hail Satan

TNG
Jan 4, 2001

by Lowtax

Avalanche posted:

I think we're ok for now:



Too bad in the future those things are going to be exclusively stocked with useless F-35s and thus be totally ineffective at anything.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Avalanche posted:

I think we're ok for now:



I'm the Thai aircraft carrier protecting Thailand from all its many powerful enemies.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Applewhite posted:

I'm the Thai aircraft carrier protecting Thailand from all its many powerful enemies.

TBH, it's been used mostly for disaster relief to the southern provinces rather quickly than any real type of military force projection, so they've gotten some use out of it. Apparently, having something that can barrel down the open sea in a couple days and sortie a bunch of helicopters off shore comes in handy when you're trying to deliver aid and evacuate civilians from flooded areas or the aftermath of a tsunami.

Also, that list is out of date. Britain retired its fixed-wing carriers and only has an amphibious assault ship right now. And, if it's including the amphibious assault ships of the United States, then Japan's 3 helicopter destroyers, South Korea's amphibious assault ship, and France's 3 Mistral-class ships would be included.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jun 16, 2015

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SpeedGem
Sep 19, 2012

by Ralp
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/tarrant-county/2015/06/16/arlington-officials-report-on-fracking-fluid-blowout/28844657/

It takes 2 months for a story to come out on the oil industry these days.

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