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imagine if your employer didnt have to give you health insurance because your government already gave you one bc they consider it it a human right lol
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Jun 17, 2015 21:33
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CISMALES DID 9-11 posted:at least in a no-fault state that likely would just be a matter of sorting priority for medical and would probably just be your own insurer your own insurance for what, exactly?
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Jun 17, 2015 21:33
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 waaahhhhh my cyber errand slave can't undercut established lovely taxi companies if they abide by the same rules as every other company on earth, wahhhhh i thought we were supposed to disrupt commerce forever, we can't compete otherwise *has $50b in capital*
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Jun 17, 2015 21:34
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mdm posted:I like how Silicon Valley's ideas for "disruption" only involve evading laws and taxes
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Jun 17, 2015 21:35
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Vin BioEthanol posted:ze statue of liberty is kaput!
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Jun 17, 2015 21:38
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I'm sure all of those happy unskilled contractors will be glad to be unemployed again. Thanks, government!
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Jun 17, 2015 21:38
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Mercrom posted:imagine if your employer didnt have to give you health insurance but is it also a economic and logistical possibility over the long term..
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Jun 17, 2015 21:38
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Isn't the deal with Uber that you don't have any responsibilities as a "contractor"? In which other jobs can you just drop it and decide not to work any more without telling anyone? Uber can't really tell anyone to do anything, they don't really hold a position of power over their "employees." It seems like that's a pretty significant difference from a regular labour relationship.
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Jun 17, 2015 21:39
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"listen up poors; we are protecting you by making sure that you don't have access to affordable taxi-style transportation."
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Jun 17, 2015 21:40
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City of Tampa posted:but for some reason Uber drivers are not fleeing Uber in great numbers to become taxi drivers. I wonder why? because not every jackoff can just sign up online and start taxi driving obviously City of Tampa posted:you know how many pizza delivery guys actually insure their cars for commercial use? Zero. I managed a Domino's and you sure as poo poo better believe Domino's was all over their asses about their insurance constantly. If you came to work with your insurance expired you weren't driving, and we knew it because we required you to give us your insurance info so we could enter it into the system and it wouldn't even let drivers clock in without a manager override.
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Jun 17, 2015 21:40
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Moridin920 posted:because not every jackoff can just sign up online and start taxi driving obviously ya definitely but never once was I told "hurp durp you better have commercial insurance or next thing you know you'll be shitposting from prison!!!" you just needed to have the state minimum insurance.
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Jun 17, 2015 21:42
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this is the kali yuga..thats all i keep saying to myself
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Jun 17, 2015 21:43
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this_is_hard posted:ya definitely but never once was I told "hurp durp you better have commercial insurance or next thing you know you'll be shitposting from prison!!!" Yeah but if you crash and you never told your insurance you were a delivery driver they'd deny the gently caress out of your claim and now you're liable for tons of money if you hurt someone or damage their property. Had that happen to a driver, actually. Domino's itself also pays for insurance over the drivers to cover any liabilities on Domino's part. City of Tampa posted:Also you can lend money to someone if you want without legally declaring yourself to be a bank, and you should also be able to sell raw cow's milk to people if they understand that's what they are getting. If you want to loan out a billion dollars or sell a million gallons of milk then yes you should be regulated. k but Uber is a $50 billion company. and if your raw cow's milk gets someone sick 'caveat emptor' isn't really going to fly when they sue you. or if you lend someone money and they don't want to pay it back who makes them? the government and the regulations they impose on contracts. City of Tampa posted:"listen up poors; we are protecting you by making sure that you don't have access to affordable taxi-style transportation." "I hate taxis therefore de-regulate the transportation industry."
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Jun 17, 2015 21:45
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Personally, I think the fed should wait until uber is an American self driving car monopoly, the military take over the company, and integrate it into a federal, tax funded public transit service
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Jun 17, 2015 21:46
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:GBS, Che-shirted, rips off its mask to reveal Rush Limbaugh screaming venom about unions when confronted with its chauffeur wanting the benefits of a Walmart greeter This is the shirt they now wear 
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Jun 17, 2015 21:47
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needs to be some kinda tindr app, but for sharing/buying rides "ugh car has a bunch of newspapers piled up in the back, WTF" *swipe* "well that van has a wizard painted on it lol" *swipe*
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Jun 17, 2015 21:47
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"Anyone should just be able to sell whatever in small amounts. Caveat Emptor. If you get sick and die from my 'raw cow's milk' I'm selling then that just sucks for you because I don't think I should be regulated." The Gilded Age wasn't even 150 years ago you dumb morons why do you want to go back to something that obviously failed miserably?
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Jun 17, 2015 21:49
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City of Tampa posted:"listen up poors; we are protecting you by making sure that you don't have access to affordable taxi-style transportation." I see your point but lots of businesses are really scummy with having everyone listed as a contractor for legal loopholes. loving lmao when FedEx pulled that poo poo. This is more about worker protection than it is about being anti-Uber. They aren't banning Uber in California. They're just telling them if your employee works 40 or more hours a week you need to offer health insurance. They should just do what most other American companies do and never give anyone full time hours.
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Jun 17, 2015 21:49
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The day I get a call from a snarky middle manager telling me to get out of bed because I'm late for my Uber-drive is the day I ask for benefits.
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Jun 17, 2015 21:50
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Moridin920 posted:because not every jackoff can just sign up online and start taxi driving obviously Yeah they can. I can leave my job right now and be hired as a cab driver within hours. The ads are in the paper every day; it seems like this great industry that we are trying to protect has an awfully high turnover for some reason. Moridin920 posted:I managed a Domino's and you sure as poo poo better believe Domino's was all over their asses about their insurance constantly. If you came to work with your insurance expired you weren't driving, and we knew it because we required you to give us your insurance info so we could enter it into the system and it wouldn't even let drivers clock in without a manager override. Yeah they check to see if your insurance is expired, but they don't check to see if your vehicle is insured as a commercial delivery vehicle. They would have no drivers if they did. I delivered pizzas for Pizza Hut back in the early 2000s and it was even store policy to keep a T-shirt in your car so you could change quickly in the event of an accident.
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Jun 17, 2015 21:51
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Roy posted:The day I get a call from a snarky middle manager telling me to get out of bed because I'm late for my Uber-drive is the day I ask for benefits. Your cellular phone app would still be your manager.
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Jun 17, 2015 21:51
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Melmac posted:lots of businesses are really scummy with having everyone listed as a contractor for legal loopholes. loving lmao when FedEx pulled that poo poo. I 100% agree with this point.
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Jun 17, 2015 21:52
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good to know both pizza hut and uber are screwing insurance companies
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Jun 17, 2015 21:56
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Coolie Ghost posted:Personally, I think the fed should wait until uber is an American self driving car monopoly, the military take over the company, and integrate it into a federal, tax funded public transit service now you're thinking.
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Jun 17, 2015 21:56
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lmao phone double post
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Jun 17, 2015 21:57
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Moridin920 posted:"Anyone should just be able to sell whatever in small amounts. Caveat Emptor. If you get sick and die from my 'raw cow's milk' I'm selling then that just sucks for you because I don't think I should be regulated." lol yeah a guy selling you a gallon of raw milk so that you can make a decent ball of homemade mozzarella is totally the same as The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. We are returning (or have already returned) to the gilded age but it wasn't because of raw milk or Uber. That's a funny comparison though.
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Jun 17, 2015 21:57
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City of Tampa posted:Yeah they can. I can leave my job right now and be hired as a cab driver within hours. The ads are in the paper every day; it seems like this great industry that we are trying to protect has an awfully high turnover for some reason. idk how it is in FL but in the good parts of the country the taxi medallions are limited (which may or may not be bullshit itself) so it's not like anyone can just become a cab driver within hours. you'd have to go through a taxi company and get one of their medallions which means their vehicles and poo poo more often than not (unless you want to modify your own to conform to taxi standards). it's definitely not a process that takes a few hours. quote:Yeah they check to see if your insurance is expired, but they don't check to see if your vehicle is insured as a commercial delivery vehicle. They would have no drivers if they did. I delivered pizzas for Pizza Hut back in the early 2000s and it was even store policy to keep a T-shirt in your car so you could change quickly in the event of an accident. Sounds like a lovely franchised out store that was begging to get slammed with a lawsuit, then. Our drivers would be in hot water if they even took the Domino's thing off the top of their car. People called to complain about speeding and we'd reprimand. That poo poo wasn't a joke. We'd much rather fire unsafe drivers than shrug it off because if the driver is speeding and kills a kid and we've had multiple complaints about them speeding already we'd be hosed. You're right that Domino's doesn't check for commercial insurance (because Dominos isn't liable if the driver crashes 90% of the time or if they are they have their own insurance they pay for), but if you crash and you never told your insurance company what you did with your car (read: you lied on your insurance application) they are going to deny you coverage and you're hosed if you crash into someone. I can't imagine why the state doesn't want people with insurance that may or may not actually cover them driving around being taxis for 3rd parties all day long. Guess it must just be evil government regulation. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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Jun 17, 2015 21:58
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Hmmm I could wait on hold for 10 minutes to order a taxi that has a 50% chance of actually showing up 70 minutes later, or I could press 2 buttons on my phone and have a car with a better paid driver in front of my house in 5 minutes for less money I just can't figure out why uber is more successful than traditional taxi companies. It must be because they are doing something evil, we need the government to smother them with regulations ASAP
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Jun 17, 2015 22:24
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Magnitogorsk. posted:Hmmm I could wait on hold for 10 minutes to order a taxi that has a 50% chance of actually showing up 70 minutes later, or I could press 2 buttons on my phone and have a car with a better paid driver in front of my house in 5 minutes for less money yeah because there's no middle ground anywhere it's either poo poo taxis or ride share 'contractors' who work a full time job that gives no benefits and is fairly dangerous (driving around vs just sitting in an office) making a company give employees benefits they are entitled to under the law = smothering with regulations
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Jun 17, 2015 22:25
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You are right there is no middle ground, those are the 2 options I have for taxis in my city
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Jun 17, 2015 22:26
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Magnitogorsk. posted:You are right there is no middle ground, those are the 2 options I have for taxis in my city and so it shall be forever, magnitogorsk has spoken /thread no point in talking about it anymore. companies won't evolve, industries won't change. I'm not saying don't use Uber, I'm saying they're going to have to take less than a 30% cut or let drivers set their own rates. If that literally destroys the company then their business model was hosed to begin with.
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Jun 17, 2015 22:27
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Coolie Ghost posted:Personally, I think the fed should wait until uber is an American self driving car monopoly, the military take over the company, and integrate it into a federal, tax funded public transit service
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Jun 17, 2015 22:27
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just buy a bike you lazy fat fucks
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Jun 17, 2015 22:29
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numberoneposter posted:just buy a bike you lazy fat fucks no u
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Jun 17, 2015 22:30
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Magnitogorsk. posted:Hmmm I could wait on hold for 10 minutes to order a taxi that has a 50% chance of actually showing up 70 minutes later, or I could press 2 buttons on my phone and have a car with a better paid driver in front of my house in 5 minutes for less money Hmmm surely the company with $50bil in capital and a proven track record of ~disrupting~ can't figure out how to weather this insurmountable storm of having to have employees?!
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Jun 17, 2015 22:34
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Roy posted:Isn't the deal with Uber that you don't have any responsibilities as a "contractor"? I think that's every job except for military, slave, and peasant.
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Jun 17, 2015 22:41
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Roy posted:Isn't the deal with Uber that you don't have any responsibilities as a "contractor"? Ocean Book posted:I think that's every job except for military, slave, and peasant.
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Jun 17, 2015 22:44
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Ocean Book posted:I think that's every job except for military, slave, and peasant. same thing 
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Noblesse Obliged posted:false. if i lent money to my father and charged him a ruinous interest rate i would be charged with a criminal act should he report it. Noblesse Obliged posted:again, false. delivery people all have fleet insurance. All of this is wrong and you are wrong. Here is a website with raw milk regulations by state: http://www.realrawmilkfacts.com/raw-milk-regulations I clicked on like 10 states and you could get sweet raw unregulated milk in all of them so maybe its you that lives in some weird place with tightly regulated milk and insured pizza bros.
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