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MourningView posted:He's way better off the dribble and scoring around the basket now than he was when he got to the league. His game around the basket has improved greatly but he is still insanely inconsistent and showed that throughout the playoffs after seemingly fixing that in the regular season. He shot 41% in the Finals. With that said, he's gotten better every year in all aspects of his game and his future is pretty bright.
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What kind of player is David Lee anyway? All I know is that he's a former All-star who didn't start this season and costs $15mil next year. Would he be worth picking up (along with a pick) for the Spurs assuming Duncan returns and they strike out on LMA/Millsap? Basically is he worth a one-year deal as a rotation PF for a contender?
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If any fan is interested in a slightly used David Lee for their favorite team's roster write a letter/call your favorite team and make it happen tia
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warcrimes posted:His game around the basket has improved greatly but he is still insanely inconsistent and showed that throughout the playoffs after seemingly fixing that in the regular season. He shot 41% in the Finals. With that said, he's gotten better every year in all aspects of his game and his future is pretty bright. and post retirement he has a guaranteed easy gig being planted in the fertile soils of Rapa Nui that's right I don't care how many rings he earns Klay Thompson looks like a moai !! Disillusionist posted:What kind of player is David Lee anyway? All I know is that he's a former All-star who didn't start this season and costs $15mil next year. Would he be worth picking up (along with a pick) for the Spurs assuming Duncan returns and they strike out on LMA/Millsap? Basically is he worth a one-year deal as a rotation PF for a contender? He was the case study that distinguishes good defensive rebounding numbers from good defense. He was the star of the Knicks so he'll be hugely overrated until he's forgotten. He won a dunk contest but he doesn't really dunk. EvanTH fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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David Lee is a good post scorer/rebounder with a solid midrange jumper who is ungodly bad defensively. He has some value as long as you can work around his limitations, but he's wildly overpaid at the moment.
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I don't think Spurs would be interested in Lee. I'm not actually sure who would want him due to his $15m contract. LAL when they strike out on their free agent targets? GSW doesn't even really have any picks they can throw in.
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MourningView posted:David Lee is a good post scorer/rebounder with a solid midrange jumper who is ungodly bad defensively. He has some value as long as you can work around his limitations, but he's wildly overpaid at the moment. He's also a very good passer and can get a few steals. You'd think, at this stage in his career, he'd be content to contribute to a championship team but I guess he wants to play more than anything else, fair enough.
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warcrimes posted:he is still insanely inconsistent and showed that throughout the playoffs after seemingly fixing that in the regular season. Hashtag Banterzone posted:I don't think Spurs would be interested in Lee. I'm not actually sure who would want him due to his $15m contract. Illinois Smith fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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warcrimes posted:He's also a very good passer and can get a few steals. You'd think, at this stage in his career, he'd be content to contribute to a championship team but I guess he wants to play more than anything else, fair enough. He was not really contributing though, he was completely buried. He already has a ring and basketball players want to actually, like, play basketball.
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He'll likely get playing time next season on account of Draymond Green likely getting overpaid as gently caress. Assuming he doesn't get traded first, of course.
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With that contract, I can't see anyone taking Lee on, but yeah, he could contribute to literally any team in the league. The Warriors this year were insanely stacked. Their bottom bench guys were David Lee and Mo Speights. That is an embarrassment of riches. I maintain that there's not a single player on the Warriors who couldn't have been a starter on at least one other playoff team.* (*Injuries and The East may make this statement a bit more feasible than usual) EDIT: I said Roster, but I really should have said 11 man rotation. Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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MourningView posted:He was not really contributing though, he was completely buried. He already has a ring and basketball players want to actually, like, play basketball.
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Veryslightlymad posted:Their bottom bench guys were David Lee and Mo Speights.  
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Illinois Smith posted:Klay's always gonna be streaky, he had plenty of cold stretches during the regular season. Klay's consistency during the regular season was night and day between last year and this year in terms of improvement. The salary dump is going to be Lee's biggest appeal, probably.
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Yeah, I had to go back and edit my post. But any of their top 11 guys could have started on another playoff team, and I'm gonna stick to my guns on that one.
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warcrimes posted:Klay's consistency during the regular season was night and day between last year and this year in terms of improvement. The salary dump is going to be Lee's biggest appeal, probably. I can't imagine the Warriors want to take on long-term salary from anyone.
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I think Lee is sorta underrated now. He can score in the post, he's really strong as the roll man in P&R or just cutting to the basket on transition. You get him moving toward the basket with even a little bit of space he is elite in finishing with either hand. His mid-range game even opens up the floor. He is actually as bad defensively as people say Love is though. $15Mil is a tough pill, but its only 1 more year. He would contribute on a lot of teams.
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dokmo posted:I guess if I was in the position where LeBron said he would come to my team (for a 2 year deal, with player option on year 2) under the condition that I trade the #1 overall pick for Kevin Love, I would have a much harder making that deal than you guys. Not to say I wouldn't do the deal, it's just not a gimme, especially it means that Lebron takes over GMing duties. And wants to leave this year or next. LeBron Durant Anthony Davis Steph Kawhi Griffin EDIT: I bet your list has Russ, right? PantsFreeZone fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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EvanTH posted:Westgate Las Vegas SuperBook championship odds October 2014: Hawks were probably like 100-1 on this list, made the conference finals.  (Preseason betting lines mean jack poo poo)
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morestuff posted:I can't imagine the Warriors want to take on long-term salary from anyone. Lockback posted:I think Lee is sorta underrated now. He can score in the post, he's really strong as the roll man in P&R or just cutting to the basket on transition. You get him moving toward the basket with even a little bit of space he is elite in finishing with either hand. His mid-range game even opens up the floor. He is actually as bad defensively as people say Love is though. $15Mil is a tough pill, but its only 1 more year. He would contribute on a lot of teams. both very good points
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:(Preseason betting lines mean jack poo poo) just like the hawks
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:(Preseason betting lines mean jack poo poo) Means who people think will win the championship, hence the dude's post about everyone expecting Cleveland to win the championship in Year 1. What was the SAS poll like for predicted champion at the start of the season?
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After watching Draymond Green this season, I don't think he'll be "overpaid as gently caress". He'll make a lot of money, but he'll be worth it. All of the other guys around the league though, who'll get fat checks in the future because they are, sort of, like a poor man's Draymond Green? They will be overpaid as gently caress.
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PantsFreeZone posted:LeBron Yes. No kawhi
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^^ Best players are usually the best contract in the NBA. Players flee teams a lot less often than you seem to be implying, you get the most money staying with your team. And Anthony Davis will be an RFA, meaning he won't be going anywhere for probably 6 years. Libertine posted:Means who people think will win the championship, hence the dude's post about everyone expecting Cleveland to win the championship in Year 1. What was the SAS poll like for predicted champion at the start of the season? A 5/2 line on Cleveland actually means people think its more likely than not they don't win the championship. Part of the reason they were rated highly is there wasn't a ton of competition in the East, meaning they were more likely to be there. Lockback fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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PantsFreeZone posted:LeBron Kawhi Leonard doesn't belong anywhere near this list. The rest of these guys make and will continue to make all star teams for the rest of their careers; Leonard is a good player on a team that is very well suited for him, that doesn't make him worth a #1 pick. Westbrook would be on that list, and Love was also worth it. Hell, I'd also take Wiggins for this years #1 just because you know for sure that he's going to be a great player (barring injury), and Towns and Okafor could both bust - they're not any more likely to than any other random #1 pick, but Wiggins has played a year and shown he can handle the transition, and neither of those guys has a higher ceiling than him.
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But like, why even read this stuff.
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MourningView posted:David Lee is a good post scorer/rebounder with a solid midrange jumper who is ungodly bad defensively. He has some value as long as you can work around his limitations, but he's wildly overpaid at the moment. Excuse me, but I think you'll find that David Lee proved his defensive prowess by shutting down Marc Gasol in the postseason. Please revise your statements accordingly.
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The B_36 posted:Kawhi Leonard doesn't belong anywhere near this list. The rest of these guys make and will continue to make all star teams for the rest of their careers; Leonard is a good player on a team that is very well suited for him, that doesn't make him worth a #1 pick. I watched Kawhi dominate the best player I've ever seen play basketball for pretty long stretches. I'm biased. I think Kawhi would be a better lynchpin on a title team than Russ because of his disposition and skillset. I wouldn't be shocked if Westbrook falls off sooner than we all expect due to the way he plays and his injury history.
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RASHIBA WALLACE posted:But like, why even read this stuff. 
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EvanTH posted:Eh, that's list of best players, not best contracts. The best contact in the league is probably Wiggins. It's understood that none of those players are going anywhere without their consent.
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PantsFreeZone posted:I watched Kawhi dominate the best player I've ever seen play basketball for pretty long stretches. I'm biased. Hasn't Westbrook only been injured once in his entire career tho? He was an ironman up until missing a good chunk of thus season, and still came back and was a legit contender for league MVP. Seems an odd thing to have reservations about him on the injury history front.
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:(Preseason betting lines mean jack poo poo) Well, betting lines roughly translate into What People's Expectations Currently Are, which is similar to narrative. Lockback posted:^^ Best players are usually the best contract in the NBA. Players flee teams a lot less often than you seem to be implying, you get the most money staying with your team. hah, well an unspoken part of my thought experiment included forcing a great player off their current team to play for my Knicks so no self-respecting human would want to stay after their contract was up. I'd take any of those dudes for #1 if I had a good idea they'd want to re-sign afterwards. 5/2 was still better odds than anyone else, though? It's like saying out of all the teams they were considered Least Likely Not To Win The Championship, but either way they're still early favorites once Love and Irving were on board. Around here I think the expectation was more, it'll be like the Heat take a while to get it functioning correctly. I personally don't make good predictions because I can't separate my fandom from my analysis.
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The B_36 posted:Hasn't Westbrook only been injured once in his entire career tho? He was an ironman up until missing a good chunk of thus season, and still came back and was a legit contender for league MVP. Seems an odd thing to have reservations about him on the injury history front. He's torn that knee a few times and I think they finally removed his meniscus. Westbrook plays like a bulldozer and jumps violently, like a bigger Derrick Rose. I could be wrong, but the whole thing was just a fun game to see if I could guess dokmo's 6 players. You are looking way too hard into this.
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PantsFreeZone posted:He's torn that knee a few times and I think they finally removed his meniscus. Westbrook plays like a bulldozer and jumps violently, like a bigger Derrick Rose. I could be wrong, but the whole thing was just a fun game to see if I could guess dokmo's 6 players. You are looking way too hard into this. Russ tore his meniscus once because of Beverley running into it. Then going into the next season it started to swell (did not reinjure it). This season he broke a bone in his shooting hand and got a dent in his head thanks to roberson kneeing him. That is his entire injury history
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Ah, so it was swelling. I thought I read about an NBA PG who had his meniscus removed this season. Eh. That head dent was nasty though.
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