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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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if you own a computer you have a small penis

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a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
"My videogame nerd technology is way cooler than your videogame nerd technology"

what I'm trying to say is you're a loving child if you have a console OR a "gaming" PC

Bishop
Aug 15, 2000
I plug my ps4 in and boom it works for the 1-2 hours a week I want to play a game A+ would use over wasting my time with a SWEET CUSTOM GAMING RIG again.

That 400 dollar home build seems to be missing a lot of poo poo too. I guess it's just assumed that the OS is pirated and you have a lot of stuff like dvd drive, mouse and keyboard. Etc laying around

Magnitogorsk.
Nov 14, 2004

Global warming is barely a big deal at all compared to the trajectory we used to be on. We'll have to do a lot of environmental engineering projects along certain shorelines and it will be a little warmer and wetter in some places, big fucking deal.
How poor do you need to be to not have both?

penus penus penus
Nov 9, 2014

by piss__donald

texaholic
Sep 16, 2007

Well it's floodin' down in Texas
All of the telephone lines are down

Magnitogorsk. posted:

How poor do you need to be to not have both?

How much of shut in dork do you have to be to need both? Can I not have other hobbies that include things outside of PC gaming and console gaming?

a shiny rock
Nov 13, 2009

Bishop posted:

I plug my ps4 in and boom it works for the 1-2 hours a week I want to play a game A+ would use over wasting my time with a SWEET CUSTOM GAMING RIG again.

That 400 dollar home build seems to be missing a lot of poo poo too. I guess it's just assumed that the OS is pirated and you have a lot of stuff like dvd drive, mouse and keyboard. Etc laying around

what would you use the dvd drive for

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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:pcgaming:

penus penus penus
Nov 9, 2014

by piss__donald

Parallax Scroll posted:

what would you use the dvd drive for

my $1500 computer doesnt even have a spot for a dvd drive lol

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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did you get people to kickstart your gaming rig

texaholic
Sep 16, 2007

Well it's floodin' down in Texas
All of the telephone lines are down

THE DOG HOUSE posted:

my $1500 computer doesnt even have a spot for a dvd drive lol

Is that cheaper than $400.00?

Bishop
Aug 15, 2000

Parallax Scroll posted:

what would you use the dvd drive for
for files too big to fit on a floppy disk

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Fojar38 posted:

did you get people to kickstart your gaming rig

get your work to pay for part of it so "you can work from home effectively" or write it off on taxes :getin::pcgaming:

Arrowsmith
Feb 6, 2006

SAGANISTA!
buy a MAC and spend 0$ on gaymz

Kuato
Feb 25, 2005

"I CAN'T BELIEVE I ATE THE WHOLE THING"
Buglord
I have all the consoles and they all collect dust. Play a few minutes of Civ on my MacBook occasionally I guess. Just wonder who has the time to really get into them unless they're getting paid to play them.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




If you aren't playing games at >1080p (which is going to cost way the gently caress more than $400) there's little point in trying to get a PC to be competitive with a console, it just ends up being a headache due to the occasional cj'ing you have to do, you WILL have to upgrade it sooner than your console, the games tend to be buggier (e.g. Dark Souls 2 had a durability bug caused by high framerates and it wasn't fixed until they ported the game to PS4 and Xbox One and seen as a priority to fix), you can't rent or lend PC games, and there are like a half-dozen wanker publishers who are jealous of Steam and launched their own online platforms so enjoy having like 6 different friends' lists which can't talk to each-other!

Buy a Wii U.

a shiny rock
Nov 13, 2009

Kuato posted:

I have all the consoles and they all collect dust. Play a few minutes of Civ on my MacBook occasionally I guess. Just wonder who has the time to really get into them unless they're getting paid to play them.

students

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Kuato posted:

I have all the consoles and they all collect dust. Play a few minutes of Civ on my MacBook occasionally I guess. Just wonder who has the time to really get into them unless they're getting paid to play them.

lol look at this lifehaving human being

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Kuato posted:

I have all the consoles and they all collect dust. Play a few minutes of Civ on my MacBook occasionally I guess. Just wonder who has the time to really get into them unless they're getting paid to play them.

thats why I never buy consoles since they just collect dust but good time management (i.e not shitposting on SA all day or watching too much TV shows) goes a long way. I usually work ~9 hours, gym for an hour +/-, another hour cooking/cleaning/showering, then another for errands every so often, spend some time with my girlfriend playing board games or something, take the dog out for another 45 minutes or so, then shitpost on SA for an hourish, and still have time to play games for about 2-3 hours.

granted i probably only sleep <6 hours a day which prolly isnt that healthy.

i guess if i had kids then yea i'd be screwed.

Dignity Van Houten
Jul 28, 2006

abcdefghijk
ELLAMENNO-P


My PS3 came out NINE YEARS AGO and plays GTA5, if you think your PC will still play AAA titles nine years from now you're kidding yourself

NewFatMike
Jun 11, 2015

The answer is yes*.

Your up front costs are going to be higher than purchasing a console, but you make it back pretty quickly.

I would peg a competent gaming platform at $700. There are plenty of build guides for that price cap on sites like pcpartpicker, and you can even find some deals on eBay for top of the line stuff that people with deep pockets are dropping because the latest and greatest came out, but I'm just going to leave that price as a given. In that budget you should have absolutely no issues having a game up and running at better rates than a console. So you drop $50 on a new controller to use

So already you're $350 over your console budget, which kind of sucks, but you'll make it back pretty quickly for the following reasons:

1) No fee to use online services. No Xbox live, PSN, or any of that, just what your ISP charges. Conservatively, a savings of $60/year.

2) Sales are incredibly frequent. For instance, last night I purchased Final Fantasy XIII & XIII-2 for $19. The current cost of just Final Fantasy XIII for the 360 is $30: http://m.gamestop.com/catalog/product/75085. Not every sale is that extreme, or even always on games you want, but when it happens it's like stumbling on a gold mine.

Incremental upgrades: instead of having to purchase a new console every generation, you can just get little upgrades that will consistently be better not only than what you had, but still at so called "potato smasher" levels when the next generation rolls around.

For instance, I spent $700 about five years ago for a gaming rig, and current consoles, despite having similar specs, are still lagging behind in quality. Even if I had bought the same games at launch day prices, I would have made my money back in those five years without a single upgrade just from not having to pay for an online service, and saved money over the life cycle of a console ($400 + ($60*10) - $700*= 300). My rig still runs quite competently, but I've decided it's time to upgrade my rig.

Furthermore, there are loads of free games out there, and you can emulate favorites from long ago that aren't in print anymore. You can also get free mods that simply extend the life of games you already have. People are still contributing to Skyrim years after its release and there is some awesome stuff out there.

Next, if you do anything remotely hardware intensive on your computer for work, it's worth the saved time to spend a little extra every once in a while to keep your system running smoothly. Having those boot times dropped to nearly nothing with an SSD is worth it for a lot of people.

Lastly, if you use your personal computer for work, then every expenditure on it is tax deductible. Running an online business or putting up flash games (I guess it's HTML5 now) that bring you even a little bit of income can be claimed.

TL;DR just the missing online fees over the life cycle of a console brings your costs down dramatically. Hopefully that's helpful.

Fuckery: Also permanent backwards compatibility

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
the loving ps3 plays gta 5 on 256 mb of ram

penus penus penus
Nov 9, 2014

by piss__donald

NewFatMike posted:

The answer is yes*.

Your up front costs are going to be higher than purchasing a console, but you make it back pretty quickly.

I would peg a competent gaming platform at $700. There are plenty of build guides for that price cap on sites like pcpartpicker, and you can even find some deals on eBay for top of the line stuff that people with deep pockets are dropping because the latest and greatest came out, but I'm just going to leave that price as a given. In that budget you should have absolutely no issues having a game up and running at better rates than a console. So you drop $50 on a new controller to use

So already you're $350 over your console budget, which kind of sucks, but you'll make it back pretty quickly for the following reasons:

1) No fee to use online services. No Xbox live, PSN, or any of that, just what your ISP charges. Conservatively, a savings of $60/year.

2) Sales are incredibly frequent. For instance, last night I purchased Final Fantasy XIII & XIII-2 for $19. The current cost of just Final Fantasy XIII for the 360 is $30: http://m.gamestop.com/catalog/product/75085. Not every sale is that extreme, or even always on games you want, but when it happens it's like stumbling on a gold mine.

Incremental upgrades: instead of having to purchase a new console every generation, you can just get little upgrades that will consistently be better not only than what you had, but still at so called "potato smasher" levels when the next generation rolls around.

For instance, I spent $700 about five years ago for a gaming rig, and current consoles, despite having similar specs, are still lagging behind in quality. Even if I had bought the same games at launch day prices, I would have made my money back in those five years without a single upgrade just from not having to pay for an online service, and saved money over the life cycle of a console ($400 + ($60*10) - $700*= 300). My rig still runs quite competently, but I've decided it's time to upgrade my rig.

Furthermore, there are loads of free games out there, and you can emulate favorites from long ago that aren't in print anymore. You can also get free mods that simply extend the life of games you already have. People are still contributing to Skyrim years after its release and there is some awesome stuff out there.

Next, if you do anything remotely hardware intensive on your computer for work, it's worth the saved time to spend a little extra every once in a while to keep your system running smoothly. Having those boot times dropped to nearly nothing with an SSD is worth it for a lot of people.

Lastly, if you use your personal computer for work, then every expenditure on it is tax deductible. Running an online business or putting up flash games (I guess it's HTML5 now) that bring you even a little bit of income can be claimed.

TL;DR just the missing online fees over the life cycle of a console brings your costs down dramatically. Hopefully that's helpful.

Fuckery: Also permanent backwards compatibility

but a loving ps3 plays gta5 . clearlyt it is better, even though it itself is a computer that is somehow magic that a computer cant do (presssing the settings button and "low" is way too hard lol)

https://www.twitch.tv/extracoolguy for you thread

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




NewFatMike posted:

2) Sales are incredibly frequent. For instance, last night I purchased Final Fantasy XIII & XIII-2 for $19. The current cost of just Final Fantasy XIII for the 360 is $30

I got Final Fantasy 13-2 digitally for $10 over a year before it was even released on PC. The console digital storefronts are getting really agressive on pricing, and retail outlets go pretty mental and crash disc game prices pretty fast.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

texaholic posted:

Asking for a friend, How much PC can you get for $350-$400? Which is roughly equivalent to a brand new PS4 or Xbone?

Yes it is cheaper but here's the thing: It's not cheaper initially, OP. If you want a decent system you have to pay like $800 minimum, probably a bit more. However, once you do have that, you get poo poo like Steam and Humble Bundles, and suddenly $60 will buy you a whole LOAD of games; and everything gets discounted quicker.

Maybe when Steambox finally gets some good mass produced models, that could be the cheapest way to go. But you will make up the price difference in very short order, if you buy games.

THE DOG HOUSE posted:

but a loving ps3 plays gta5 . clearlyt it is better, even though it itself is a computer that is somehow magic that a computer cant do (presssing the settings button and "low" is way too hard lol)

GTA V runs ridiculously well on moderate to low end hardware actually. It's optimized to hell and back.

The PS3 version blows anyway; the nextgen GTA V is the proper release, lastgen was a lovely beta.

Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Jun 19, 2015

Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business
Well if you buy a console yeah you basically have a cheapass old pc that plays everything at low res and the selection of games is dictated to you by the corporation that made the system, which sometimes entitles you to their lovely exclusives that everyone will forget within a few months of release. Modern console especially come prepackaged in with online stores that demand that you pay them more, such as being forced to pay a fee just to play games online (but not actually offering you an online connection in the package) not to mention a lovely store interface that demands money for digital content (aka poo poo.) That said, it's all a small price to pay for not being a loving personal computer owning nerd and clicking your mouse all day, I mean what are you a school? Are you some kind of scientists man?? Put your glasses down albert einstein and get a drat smartphone.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Blazing Ownager posted:

Maybe when Steambox finally gets some good mass produced models, that could be the cheapest way to go.

This is my hope, just give me a relatively compact box which a sweet motherboard, supports 16-32 gigs of RAM and a good i7, and lets me pop in any graphics card and I'll be happy.

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:

Well if you buy a console yeah you basically have a cheapass old pc that plays everything at low res and the selection of games is dictated to you by the corporation that made the system, which sometimes entitles you to their lovely exclusives that everyone will forget within a few months of release.

We are living in the golden era of ports though, thanks to the Xbone running on literal loving Windows, mostly. Sure the interfaces still suck from time to time, but overall the gameplay and such from developers like Capcom and Rockstar is rock solid on PC, and in many cases, PC is the definitive version now, with extra features and better graphics.

Sure some people still gently caress up hard (The recent Dead or Alive disaster), but overall, go play a port from Capcom in like 2006 and you'll see what I mean pretty quick.

... and fortunately PC is amusingly in this odd spot to get exclusives more and more, too. A lot of the upcoming exclusives read "Specific Console + PC." Esp. Xbone titles. The only game we've not seen a good port of is Demon Soul's yet, and that's just a matter of time.

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

Xaris posted:

thats why I never buy consoles since they just collect dust but good time management (i.e not shitposting on SA all day or watching too much TV shows) goes a long way. I usually work ~9 hours, gym for an hour +/-, another hour cooking/cleaning/showering, then another for errands every so often, spend some time with my girlfriend playing board games or something, take the dog out for another 45 minutes or so, then shitpost on SA for an hourish, and still have time to play games for about 2-3 hours.

granted i probably only sleep <6 hours a day which prolly isnt that healthy.

i guess if i had kids then yea i'd be screwed.

please everyone else share their daily schedule this is interesting poo poo

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

sorry about being a poor OP

Spectral Debt
Jan 23, 2004
9999 sucka
Good luck on having a party and having cute girls come play mario kart 8 on your 1337 machine, human being.

polio king
Jun 19, 2004

pc gets you nude/sex mods for your favorite games

Spectral Debt
Jan 23, 2004
9999 sucka
Or getting smashed while playing smash with your squad

Ben Smash
Aug 22, 2005

LARDROOM
Grimey Drawer
Guys I think we're being trolled. Those of you trying to troll others in this thread are being pretty meta and I ain't got time for that. I've got an Xbox game from 3 years ago to play on my PC.

Matey
Mar 28, 2008

eat food

take it to the games forum, you fuckin dorks

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

buy all of the consoles and a gaming pc, you poor rear end little bitch

Acid Haze
Feb 16, 2009

:parrot:
I built a computer 7 years ago that cost me around $1000 spaced out over several months. It still can play anything that comes out for the PC today, and on high settings. All I've upgraded is the video card, the CPU is a liquid cooled 3ghz core-2-duo. I'm playing Attila Total War right now which is a fairly GPU and CPU intensive game but it still runs well.

Bad thing is there are hardly any big-title releases for the PC that aren't on a console. The Total War series is one, and I prefer first person shooters on the PC always, but that's just my opinion. Fallout and the ME series I also preferred on the computer. But there's just not much coming out now in terms of games that really utilize the power a PC can have.

5 years ago you had games that came out bi-monthly that could max out the power of several thousand dollar PC's, and the boundaries were constantly being pushed. But the consoles killed the market, and then the competitive 1-upsmanship between Intel and AMD died and AMD left the PC market altogether. Plus it's easier to make games when you're making them for millions of consoles which all run the same hardware and software.

Basically I'm saying it's not the greatest time to build a gaming PC. But it's cool to build it and have it so go ahead if you have the money, I guess.

interwhat
Jul 23, 2005

it's kickin in dude
"Building" "rigs" for computer games that are all available on consoles, paying at least twice as much as you would than a console, and then trying to justify it(this thread, for instance) is really cool and dope.

Ramsus
Sep 14, 2002

by Hand Knit
Scraped by gaming on my lovely laptop from 2008 until last fall when I built a computer using the thread on this very website and now I have loving sweet computer that cost about $1,000 and plays every game with awesome graphics.

Now I have two dell ultrasharp monitors, a xbox controller and I lol at gaming consoles

fuckin pissed about bloodborne though

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Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Ramsus posted:

fuckin pissed about bloodborne though

Give it time; people already found a Steam entry for it that got pulled once mentioned, but given the previous ports, I'd expect an announcement in about six months.

The sad part is it's literally the only worthwhile exclusive outside of maybe a couple racing games that exists right now. And if you look at the upcoming exclusive releases, the list is hilariously poo poo and the few exceptions are slated for getting Windows ports.

So unless you really, really love "run the gently caress into the ground by a lovely new developer and it was already pretty poo poo" Halo, you're probably good in the long run.

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