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This idea of common courtesy is my central feeling on the issue. It's 2015, and people have to understand that there are many way media is consumed, and we're not all watching at the same time as you. So, it's really inconsiderate of others to go on social media and write about the last three minutes of the show they just watched. I live in Asia, so it's really impossible for me to watch something at the same time it airs. I'm working when other people are watching GoT, for example. That said, about every surprising story beat was spoiled for me in GoT this year because people cannot keep their drat mouths shut. Usually it was Facebook, but it was also the headline of an article a couple times. I often browse social media for work or don't even think about it when I tap on the Twitter or Facebook icon on my phone. It's hard for me to just avoid it, as some people suggest. Did it ruin the show? Of course not. Did it change the experience? Yes, and I would have preferred to have been allowed to watch the show as I like. I don't get so upset any more because I've become quite jaded about this stuff, but come on, guys, have a little courtesy for other people. I don't go up to people and say everything that comes to mind because some things are inappropriate to say. And the debate about whether or not spoilers even matter is meaningless. Who are you to decide how I can enjoy my movie or show? Get off it. Whale Vomit fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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Arrr Im a Pirate posted:This idea of common courtesy is my central feeling on the issue. It's 2015, and people have to understand that there are many way media is consumed, and we're not all watching at the same time as you. So, it's really inconsiderate of others to go on social media and write about the last three minutes of the show they just watched. Lol at your rationalization and your wanting to hold everyone up till you're ready to experience things just they way you want.
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Jun 22, 2015 01:17
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Hitchcock hated spoilers. When Psycho hit theatres, posters made it clear that nobody would be let in once the movie started(*). Hitchcock also asked the public to "talk but don't tell" about Psycho.  That's not all though: he also tried to buy every copy of the paperback book so that people wouldn't get spoiled by the book. Hitchcock was hardcore about no spoilers. (*) people used to walk into theatres whenever back in the day -- your admission was to the theatre itself, so people would sometimes come in part way through a film and stay for the rest or stay for the rest and then watch it again or part of it again, probably interspersed with newsreels and such.
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Jun 22, 2015 01:34
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Lol at your rationalization and your wanting to hold everyone up till you're ready to experience things just they way you want. Who is rationalizing? It's completely common sense. It takes a minutia of empathy to realize that not everyone saw that one movie or show at the exact same time as you. What's rationalizing is making fun of people for writing real time response in the TVIV forum - an appropriate forum to do so, actually - but feeling there's nothing wrong for doing the same exact thing on the broader base of social networks.
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Jun 22, 2015 02:16
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People want to talk about stuff they've just watched. Stay off Twitter/Facebook for a day until you've watched it.
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Jun 22, 2015 02:18
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Srice posted:I think the main reason this thread was made was because there were people in this category that simultaneously actively sought out discussion but don't want to be spoiled on anything. This thread was created because some guy ran to the mods because GBS briefly described some events from a 5+ year old, commonly read fantasy novel in a thread about the TV remake, and another guy got really Mad when nobody important took this tragedy very seriously. It's a douche move to go around yelling out spoilers to thriller movies or other things whose actual purpose is shocking twists (a tiny percentage of media) but it's easy, predictable guilt-free laughs for internet nerds because the spoilers people are also douches and loving mental to boot, and are guaranteed to start raving about how people who talk about the contents of movie trailers are sociopaths who torture small animals to get off and their lives are ruined forever. It's the exact same impulse that drives people to seek out tumblr snowflakes who are literally triggered by apples and furiously police everyone else's speech for mentions of such and harass them, even after that stopped really being funny a long time ago. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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Jun 22, 2015 02:37
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quote:I live in Asia, so it's really impossible for me to watch something at the same time it airs. I'm working when other people are watching GoT, for example... I often browse social media for work... I don't understand why people need to justify their verbal diarrhoea.
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Jun 22, 2015 02:39
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I'm *whatever* about spoilers but I generally prefer to go into watching or experiencing something with as little knowledge as possible. That's just me! Some people like knowing casting decisions and all that junk, that's cool too. Some stuff is just not gonna be avoidable if you spend time on the Internet or engaged in media, like, there's nobody on this forum who doesn't know what Batman is, as a character or a premise. But, yeah! Surprise is fun, watching something not knowing what to expect, that's fun! I like having fun!
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Jun 22, 2015 04:26
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There's a difference between simply wanting to discuss something you've seen freely, which is reasonable (though it's also reasonable to warn people in advance that you're going to do so), and deliberately spoiling people for the express purpose of upsetting them, which is pathetic.
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Jun 22, 2015 04:36
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:other things whose actual purpose is shocking twists (a tiny percentage of media) Game of Thrones is a big budget soap opera, shocking twists are a huge part of it.
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Jun 22, 2015 05:31
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I always feel like an idiot for not guessing the ending of a movie within the first 15 minutes. Game of Thrones can be ruined by 'spoilers' the same way a porno can be spoiled by being told about the cum shot.
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NarkyBark posted:Spoilers suck, if you weren't intending on knowing them. I'm not super sensitive on the issue but I like to watch movies spoiler-free. Of COURSE the hero wins in the end, but it's the details that count (and sometimes the hero DOESN"T win in the end and spoilers suck for that, too.) lmao i hosed called it  my trailers
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Jun 22, 2015 10:45
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thehomemaster posted:I always feel like an idiot for not guessing the ending of a movie within the first 15 minutes. Totally dude, within the first fifteen minutes of Mulholland Dr, I was like "oh man I got this" and successfully predicted the ending, meaning, and all the relevant symbolism the film would use.  NOTE: bonus David Lynch joke contained within this post InfiniteZero fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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Jun 22, 2015 15:49
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Maybe I'm weird, and many apologies for this controversial post, but knowing shocking plot points in advance is a dumb way to experience a film and you all are dumb and this thread is dumb.
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Jun 23, 2015 00:17
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InfiniteZero posted:Totally dude, within the first fifteen minutes of Mulholland Dr, I was like "oh man I got this" and successfully predicted the ending, meaning, and all the relevant symbolism the film would use. Wow, way to make me feel inferior, I don't even get the joke.
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Jun 23, 2015 00:29
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:This thread was created because some guy ran to the mods because GBS briefly described some events from a 5+ year old, commonly read fantasy novel in a thread about the TV remake, If you insist on spending hours online discussing a show or movie and are pissed when you come across spoilers, you really have no one to blame but yourself, but that's not what happened in this specific case.
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Jun 23, 2015 00:50
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Fair enough I guess, I coulda phrased that more accurately, although to get to that GBS thread they still had to scroll through an assload of GBS's usual trans-bashing/'ironic' racism/miscellaneous hatred and find all that less objectionable than OMG SPOILER WARNING PLEASE so lol anyway
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Jun 23, 2015 00:57
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I get trolling and yeah it can be funny and all, but I don't get why some people can't just keep their mouths shut, like the dickheads who run the imdb social media feeds who've spoiled two shows in the last year. One when a character died in Walking Dead before it could air on the otherside of the US and again this week just gone when they put up a picture of a game of thrones Character who had died. What the hell was the point? Bane breaking batman and throwing him into prison and his re-birth was spoiled in some discussion completely unrelated to the movie I read a day after it's international release. Just a casual line about "well if batman can have his back repaired with some ropes, climb out of prison and re-take gotham..." It didn't really ruin the movie, but it was a little frustrating to have something that was supposed to give a little suspense to the narrative ruined because some idiot thinks oh I know what happens gently caress everyone else. Snape kills dumbledore was funny enough and didn't affect anything because it was heavily foreshadowed at the start of the book that dumbledore was hosed and didn't impact the overall story much at all even when you knew dumbledore wasn't going to die that wasn't the main point of the book. If I click on a thread in here about a movie a week after it's release I'm dumb enough for getting spoiled, if I'm reading at article on boxing or something and it gets spoiled two days after its released though I'm gonna be a bit annoyed. Even small throwaway spoilers can ruin a movie or tv series. You can still enjoy it yeah, but why do it. Unless your goal is to ruin something for people which whatever, I get it your a sad neglected man child who is just looking for attention, but casually dropping spoilers in stuff un-related to the movie or show and then getting defensive about it is something I don't understand.
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Jun 23, 2015 02:18
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Arrr Im a Pirate posted:Who is rationalizing? It's completely common sense. It takes a minutia of empathy to realize that not everyone saw that one movie or show at the exact same time as you. Right, so feel good that other people are having fun in their dreary like little first world lives and let spoilers sliiiiiiiiide on.
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Jun 23, 2015 02:21
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thehomemaster posted:Wow, way to make me feel inferior, I don't even get the joke. But I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not so now we've got multi-layered inferiority going on because this makes me feel inferior so maybe we should call it a day and get a drink or something?
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BlindSite posted:Even small throwaway spoilers can ruin a movie or tv series. You can still enjoy it yeah, but why do it. Unless your goal is to ruin something for people which whatever, I get it your a sad neglected man child who is just looking for attention, but casually dropping spoilers in stuff un-related to the movie or show and then getting defensive about it is something I don't understand. Popular culture by definition is not going to be constrained to formal discussions about the topic.
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Ralp posted:The idea is just that so-called "spoilers"— that is, knowing something beforehand about the plot of a movie (or show or book, etc)— don't actually spoil anything, they don't diminish the entertainment value or enjoyability of the film. lol
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SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE was the name of the FYAD forum about a month when that Harry Potter book came out, I thought it was pretty funny but I haven't read those books.
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InfiniteZero posted:But I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not so now we've got multi-layered inferiority going on because this makes me feel inferior so maybe we should call it a day and get a drink or something? I concur.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Fair enough I guess, I coulda phrased that more accurately, although to get to that GBS thread they still had to scroll through an assload of GBS's usual trans-bashing/'ironic' racism/miscellaneous hatred and find all that less objectionable than OMG SPOILER WARNING PLEASE so lol anyway So some trolls spoiled a show for the obsessive fans. Fans are trolled so hard they complain to mods. Trolls whine that their troll worked? If you don't like people's reactions to getting trolled, maybe stop trolling them? There's spoiler and non spoiler threads for discussion. The spoiler thread title was not done to encourage discussion and claiming otherwise is disingenuous. Nothing about the spoiler thread title is clever or funny, sorry. Basically what we have here is two distinct groups of people who can't shut the gently caress up and I'd love to lock all of them in the same thread together.
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I managed to see From Dusk Till Dawn like a decade after it came out without having known a single thing about it. I don't know how I managed that, but if you had paused that movie about these crime brothers that have taken a family hostage and are trying to escape to Mexico 2/3rds into its run-time and gave me a thousand guesses as to what the gently caress was going to happen next I don't think I would've gotten it right. Would my level of enjoyment of the film changed if I had known what it was about beforehand? I don't know that question isn't really answerable. But I think the experience would have absolutely changed, and while I can always go back and have that experience where I do know what's going to happen I can never go back and have the experience again where I don't, and that's certainly something that can be lost with spoilers.
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Saint Freak posted:Would my level of enjoyment of the film changed if I had known what it was about beforehand? I don't know that question isn't really answerable. But I think the experience would have absolutely changed, and while I can always go back and have that experience where I do know what's going to happen I can never go back and have the experience again where I don't, and that's certainly something that can be lost with spoilers. Yea, I've seen plenty of posts where people argue that they have all kinds of varying levels of enjoyment/surprise/tension/fear with or without spoilers, but I haven't seen anyone refute the idea that the two experiences are fundamentally different. By purposely spoiling something you are going out of your way to deny someone that experience, regardless of what value you personally feel it has. It may be fairly low on the rear end in a top hat scale but its still an rear end in a top hat thing to do. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Jun 24, 2015 |
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I don't understand why spoiler tags exist on somethingawful specifically. Like, why would someone read the Game of Thrones thread before seeing the newest episode? Or read a movie thread before seeing a movie? Spoilers on social media are kinda crappy though.
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I said come in! posted:I don't understand why spoiler tags exist on somethingawful specifically. Like, why would someone read the Game of Thrones thread before seeing the newest episode? Or read a movie thread before seeing a movie? Spoilers on social media are kinda crappy though. Because threads serve many other purposes beyond discussion of the plot. Like someone might go into a video game thread to see if people recommend purchasing the game, or because they're looking for help troubleshooting how to run it, or if any of the DLC is worth purchasing, etc.
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Saint Freak posted:Because threads serve many other purposes beyond discussion of the plot. Like someone might go into a video game thread to see if people recommend purchasing the game, or because they're looking for help troubleshooting how to run it, or if any of the DLC is worth purchasing, etc. Video game plots are the last thing anyone's worried about though. For movies it's either pre-release material, the plot, or themes/related media about the plot.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Fair enough I guess, I coulda phrased that more accurately, although to get to that GBS thread they still had to scroll through an assload of GBS's usual trans-bashing/'ironic' racism/miscellaneous hatred and find all that less objectionable than OMG SPOILER WARNING PLEASE so lol anyway Yes, spoilers are the least of GBS' problems, which is why this thread is confusing. Some people are arguing about general human courtesy and others are talking about stuff that happens in GBS. If you look in GBS you should be prepared for anything but entertainment or actual substantive discussion.
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computer parts posted:Video game plots are the last thing anyone's worried about though. For movies it's either pre-release material, the plot, or themes/related media about the plot. Well yeah I just picked something, but it could be whatever. For TV shows for example you can find out guest stars or episode plots for the next season months before it even airs. There are people that are going to want to discuss that and people that don't and it takes all of no seconds to use a spoiler tag to make both sides happy.
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Saint Freak posted:Well yeah I just picked something, but it could be whatever. For TV shows for example you can find out guest stars or episode plots for the next season months before it even airs. There are people that are going to want to discuss that and people that don't and it takes all of no seconds to use a spoiler tag to make both sides happy. For pre-release material spoiler tags are perfectly fine (although there's a specific rule against using them for casting choices). What I'm talking about is having to spoil the ending of the first season of Mad Men (or even just the first season in general) when that came out 7 or 8 years ago.
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Oh no, not guest star spoilers, how could anyone stand to watch a show after hearing that.
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Srice posted:Oh no, not guest star spoilers, how could anyone stand to watch a show after hearing that. To be fair there's a pretty dope cameo at the end of Kevin Costner's Robin Hood Prince of Thieves that I wouldn't want anyone to spoil for me. It was a nice surprise and a fun moment. computer parts posted:Video game plots are the last thing anyone's worried about though. Currently playing the Witcher 3 and I'd be pretty mad if somebody told me what's going to happen, seeing as part of the narrative's appeal is that a small choice you made 10 hours ago has consequences in the present.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:To be fair there's a pretty dope cameo at the end of Kevin Costner's Robin Hood Prince of Thieves that I wouldn't want anyone to spoil for me. It was a nice surprise and a fun moment. Spoiling the 21 Jump Street cameos would have probably cost me a laugh as well.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:This thread was created because some guy ran to the mods because GBS briefly described some events from a 5+ year old, commonly read fantasy novel in a thread about the TV remake, and another guy got really Mad when nobody important took this tragedy very seriously. It's a douche move to go around yelling out spoilers to thriller movies or other things whose actual purpose is shocking twists (a tiny percentage of media) but it's easy, predictable guilt-free laughs for internet nerds because the spoilers people are also douches and loving mental to boot, and are guaranteed to start raving about how people who talk about the contents of movie trailers are sociopaths who torture small animals to get off and their lives are ruined forever. It's the exact same impulse that drives people to seek out tumblr snowflakes who are literally triggered by apples and furiously police everyone else's speech for mentions of such and harass them, even after that stopped really being funny a long time ago. i realize this is a really hard concept for SA in particular but actually having preferences in how you consume media is not weird or douchey, and deliberately provoking other people because you think their harmless preferences are wrong is weird and douchey it's not sociopathic but if you think you're coming off any better than the guy who said that by talking about how "mental" they are you lack introspection Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Jun 25, 2015 |
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anyways i would never describe spoiling a movie's plot as "ruining" it, but at the same time surprise is a good and interesting part of the human experience and by extension of the arts. there's nothing immature or broken about valuing it, or anything inherently bad about a director or writer tapping into it to create the experience they want
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Fair enough I guess, I coulda phrased that more accurately, although to get to that GBS thread they still had to scroll through an assload of GBS's usual trans-bashing/'ironic' racism/miscellaneous hatred and find all that less objectionable than OMG SPOILER WARNING PLEASE so lol anyway lol
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Spoilers are about control. I can't think of a case either where they have ever outright ruined a thing either, but if someone spoils something for you then that's out of your hands, it removes your own ability to approach something with your own expectations and you can never be sure if you would have had a different reaction if you went in unspoiled. It's only going to be a problem for some people, but when it is a problem, it's an extreme annoyance. Like I said, it's not gonna ruin anything entirely, but at worst it can be incredibly distracting to watch a film, and constantly just wanting the spoiled thing to come up so your mind can actually get over it and focus on taking in the film on your own terms. That's the thing, spoilers are just annoying as gently caress and change your first viewing experience. People make such a big deal out of them because they only really happen when other people impose them on you, it's a simple matter of courtesy.
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