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ChlorophileAddict
Jun 15, 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/22/new-immigration-rules-cost-nhs-millions-nursing?CMP=share_btn_fb

quote:

New immigration rules that will mean lower-earning non-EU workers being deported will exacerbate the shortage of nurses in the UK and cost the NHS tens of millions in recruitment, the government has been warned by nursing leaders.

The Royal College of Nursing (RCN) said the change, due to come into effect in April next year, will cause chaos in the health service. Under the new rules, non-EU workers who are earning less than £35,000 after six years in the UK will be deported.

The RCN urged the Home Office to add nurses to the list of shortage occupations, exempt from the rules, and reconsider the salary threshold.

Research released by the RCN to coincide with its annual congress in Bournemouth, suggests that up to 3,365 nurses, who cost £20.19m to recruit, could be affected. But it says that figure could spiral by 2020, particularly, if workforce pressures lead to increased international recruitment, in which case 29,755 nurses, costing more than £178.5m to recruit, could be affected.

RCN’s chief executive and general secretary, Dr Peter Carter, said: “The immigration rules for health care workers will cause chaos for the NHS and other care services. At a time when demand is increasing, the UK is perversely making it harder to employ staff from overseas.

The only way for the UK to regain control over its own health service workforce is by training more nurses
Dr Peter Carter
“The NHS has spent millions hiring nurses from overseas in order to provide safe staffing levels. These rules will mean that money has just been thrown down the drain.

“The UK will be sending away nurses who have contributed to the health service for six years. Losing their skills and knowledge and then having to start the cycle again and recruit to replace them is completely illogical.”

The rules, part of home secretary Theresa May’s plan to “ensure that only the brightest and best remain permanently” will apply to all people in the UK from outside the European Economic Area (EEA).

Carter said that overseas recruitment of nurses was likely to continue to rise – although it would be made more difficult as a result of the rule change – because of a crackdown on agency spending and as long as there was a shortage of home-grown people trained to do the job.

In June, the health secretary, Jeremy Hunt, announced new rules that would introduce a maximum hourly rate that agencies can charge for a stand-in doctor or nurse’s services and would cap the amount any trust in financial trouble can spend on them.

These rules were designed to tackle the NHS’s growing financial problems but Carter said that coupled with the immigration rules, trusts were “being asked to provide safe staffing with both hands tied behind their backs”.

He said an ongoing reliance on overseas recruitment is unreliable and unsustainable, due to growing evidence of a global shortage, but the answer was to expand training.

“The only way for the UK to regain control over its own health service workforce is by training more nurses,” said Carter. “Thirty-seven-thousand potential nursing students were turned away last year, so there are people out there who want to embark on a nursing career.”

A Home Office spokesman said: “As the prime minister has made clear, the government wants to reduce the demand for migrant labour.

“There are exemptions to this threshold for occupations where the UK has a shortage – but the independent Migration Advisory Committee recommended against adding nurses to the shortage occupation list after taking evidence from groups, including the RCN.

“Employers have had since 2011 to prepare for the possibility their non-EEA workers may not meet the required salary threshold to remain in the UK permanently.”

There are a record number of nurses in training, according to the Department of Health, which is working with the Home Office on the issues around overseas recruitment.

This may or may not have something to do with the recent reports showing that non EU immigrants take more out in benefits than they pay in tax.
The Muslim Council Of Britain for example presented some data a while ago showing that only 28% of the adult Muslims in the UK are economically active.

Tories being Tories I guess.

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Yaos
Feb 22, 2003

She is a cat of significant gravy.
This should be the case for everybody in the UK. You don't make 35k/year by the time you are 18 you get kicked out. This income can come from any source, rich parents, playing the stock market, etc. If you can't make 35k a year just from the stock market you are a parasite.

ohsosad
Feb 11, 2012

Why is every game i play unbalanced in the other guys favour?

Yaos posted:

This should be the case for everybody in the UK. You don't make 35k/year by the time you are 18 you get kicked out. This income can come from any source, rich parents, playing the stock market, etc. If you can't make 35k a year just from the stock market you are a parasite.

Kick all old and retired people out.

and goons

Foid One
Mar 2, 2015

by Ralp
why the gently caress would this cause a shortage of nurses? do they not make more than 35 K?

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Foid One posted:

why the gently caress would this cause a shortage of nurses? do they not make more than 35 K?

35k lbs is like 60k usd

doctor 7
Oct 10, 2003

In the grim darkness of the future there is only Oakley.

Jst0rm posted:

35k lbs is like 60k usd

Not really. In England everything is more expensive so if you're paying $5 for a burger in the US you'll be paying £5.

doctor 7 fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jun 22, 2015

RaceBannon
Apr 3, 2010
What about removing the loving Polish?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

RaceBannon posted:

What about removing the loving Polish?

yeah kick them ok since polish women make british women look ugly.

Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business

etalian posted:

yeah kick them ok since polish women make british women look ugly.

this is a solid troll

cams
Mar 28, 2003


the only thing i know about polish women is that they are racist and have HUGE tits

the first part is based entirely on little knowledge i've gathered about the entire country

the latter is based on a couple porn stars i've masturbated to

Iseeyouseemeseeyou
Jan 3, 2011

ChlorophileAddict posted:

The Muslim Council Of Britain for example presented some data a while ago showing that only 28% of the adult Muslims in the UK are economically active.

lmao

Iseeyouseemeseeyou
Jan 3, 2011
hard to be economically active when you're always in training camps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upyjlOLBv5o

ASSASSINS!
Jan 2, 2009

cams posted:

the only thing i know about polish women is that they are racist and have HUGE tits

the first part is based entirely on little knowledge i've gathered about the entire country

the latter is based on a couple porn stars i've masturbated to

that applies to most english women as well

BigBoss
Jan 26, 2012

by Lowtax

ASSASSINS! posted:

that applies to most english women as well

yeah but smack o' the brit vs. slavic beauties i mean come on

Iseeyouseemeseeyou
Jan 3, 2011
i took the train from london to hollyhead and the welsh women on dat train had some huge tittays as well although i couldnt understand anything they was spittin

opus111
Jul 6, 2014

Polish women own.

opus111
Jul 6, 2014

Btw 35k is pretty insanely high, especially outside of london. This is an insane propsal that hopefully wont go through.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
lol the UK is desperately imploding after being one of world's biggest empires

gg cunts

opus111
Jul 6, 2014

Moridin920 posted:

lol the UK is desperately imploding after being one of world's biggest empires

gg cunts

Not really, it still punches way above its weight considering its population and size.

cams
Mar 28, 2003


opus111 posted:

Btw 35k is pretty insanely high, especially outside of london. This is an insane propsal that hopefully wont go through.
it's funny cause, in dollars, that's more than the average public school teacher makes in america.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

opus111 posted:

Not really, it still punches way above its weight considering its population and size.

ppfffffff it's circling the drain mate

opus111
Jul 6, 2014

Moridin920 posted:

ppfffffff it's circling the drain mate

Dad stop reading the daily mail!!!!

feller
Jul 5, 2006


Why is a doctor head of the nurses union that's hosed up

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

opus111 posted:

Dad stop reading the daily mail!!!!

your government's solution to poverty is to deport the cheap workforce

opus111
Jul 6, 2014

Im not sure that judging a country by its government is the best thing to do. Uk owns, tories are short-sighted whackjobs. Both things can be true.

PerpetualSelf
Apr 6, 2015

by Ralp
Isn't 35k way way above average yearly wage in England?

cams
Mar 28, 2003


Moridin920 posted:

your government's solution to poverty is to deport the cheap workforce
lol at the idea that there is any economic logic to this. it is 100% racism and prejudice and would do absolutely nothing to promote economic growth.

naem
May 29, 2011

The uk is in that post empire mature global economy stage where they have it going on without as much effort as a developing economy.

Also they are both part of the eu and tight with the us, it's not a bad position to be in

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

cams posted:

lol at the idea that there is any economic logic to this. it is 100% racism and prejudice and would do absolutely nothing to promote economic growth.

well yeah that's kind of my point

Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business

cams posted:

it's funny cause, in dollars, that's more than the average public school teacher makes in america.

They get paid fairly on the work they do.

opus111
Jul 6, 2014

PerpetualSelf posted:

Isn't 35k way way above average yearly wage in England?

Double

David Copperfield
Mar 14, 2004


im david copperfield
"hey you know how we are the beneficiaries of a great overseas braindrain and general workforce migration - as a result of generations of imperialism - and we get all these great things like nursing care available for lots of people that's affordable? let's gently caress them and gently caress ourselves."

"u know wat m8? its great innit"

PerpetualSelf
Apr 6, 2015

by Ralp
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-average-salary-26500-figures-3002995

Look at those average wages

Why are brits so god damned poor? Holy gently caress.

opus111
Jul 6, 2014

cams posted:

lol at the idea that there is any economic logic to this. it is 100% racism and prejudice and would do absolutely nothing to promote economic growth.

Its being done because they want the public to be pissed off about it. Then caneron can go 'well if you want fewer immigrants, how about we look at that EU membership...?'

Its nothing to do with racism, its to stoke anti-EU feeling so the tories can recapture previous voters who were wooed by Farage.

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



it honestly gonna own when they realized how hosed they are when they deport all these people then suddenly realize that only immigrants are gonna work those jobs at the wages the capitalists are willing to pay since the immigrants don't know any better

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



we can't find anyone that's properly trained for our business*!!! - a thing business owners say all the time

* - offering $12/hr for a job that requires a bachelor's degree

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

PerpetualSelf posted:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-average-salary-26500-figures-3002995

Look at those average wages

Why are brits so god damned poor? Holy gently caress.

lmao was sad to even jobs like engineering pulling in 54k, average salary for nurses is 26k.

For comparison London is 1000 pounds to 2000 pounds per month just for a one bedroom apartment.

I guess it's just not the US having the wage stagnation problem.

etalian fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jun 22, 2015

opus111
Jul 6, 2014

Are americans just incapable of understibg concepts like standard of living costs, exchange rates and differing cultural values?

PerpetualSelf
Apr 6, 2015

by Ralp

etalian posted:

lmao was sad to even jobs like engineering pulling in 54k, average salary for nurses is 26k.

For comparison London is 1000 pounds to 2000 pounds per month just for a one bedroom apartment.

I guess it's just not the US having the wage stagnation problem.

I think they have to pay like 30% tax and poo poo on that because taxes are higher there too on that.

loving lol

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Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



opus111 posted:

Are americans just incapable of understibg concepts like standard of living costs, exchange rates and differing cultural values?

all i understand is a vampiric capitalist class that's sucking the workers dry

bring back lf

edit:

PerpetualSelf posted:

I think they have to pay like 30% tax and poo poo on that because taxes are higher there too on that.

loving lol
tbf they also don't drown in student loan debt and can't be instantaneously bankrupted by medical bills

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