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Grey Hunter, how fast were you sailing up the East Coast? Scarborough to Hartlepool is quite a distance to sail along bombarding for a get in - get out surprise night bombardment.
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  Our wounded ships are being chased home by British battlecruisers.  Our plot says we are down 4 to four in capital ships, with a unknown number of destroyers lost.  We're not a fleet any more, we're a mob of fleeing ships.  After several hours of just floating there, the crew of the G175 manage to coax their engines back to life!   The Hegoland lands a couple of hits on the lead battlecruiser, which takes it from reported light to heavy damage! This is soon downgraded to light again. Bah!  Apparently its enough though, as the ships turn north and disengage – soon the only fighting going on is these destroyers hounding a pair of British cruisers.  We get a report the Weymouth class is sinking, but then she hits the G37 and takes her out.   She seems determined to not go down alone!  For some reason, the Captain of the Rostock is patroling the battlefield. Here he opts to engage a lone British destroyer, who is probably picking up survivors! I disagree with this action, but I cannot stop it.  No! You have to make it home!   The Derfflinger is in sight of home. The Konig Albert has the rupture under control now.   The Derfflinger is safe, we suffer three more bulkhead ruptures, but all are minor and easily controlled.  The British Battlecruisers are still out there.  Thankfully, they are to far away to worry about.   Night begins to fall, and this may force our scattered ships to disengage – I have to credit the guts of the small ship captains though!   The battleships make it home without further loss.  A British submarine hits one of our cruisers. This will be a fatal blow.  Somehow, G175 makes it home.  We lose a sub, but its finally time to see what the butchers bill is.  Apparently I have won a victory – I have lost five capital ships, but sunk ten! All of them dreadnoughts!  Look at that list.  SOMEONE is not happy at the fact we only have three battleships that are ready for combat.   The difference is scores is 1.4 million. 2 million is needed to win the game, so one more battle like that and I win the war – although one more battle like that and I won't have a fleet left! We have pretty much cut the British advantage in dreadnoughts though!  I am looking at some long rear end repair times – 15 weeks for the Kaiserin to repair! And that's if I started now, as it is, it'll be weeks before I have the spare repair yards to put her in!  The road to recovery will be long an hard. Thankfully, a new battleship is ready next week.
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Wow! In real life, Fisher would have had an aneurysm and Churchill would have drank himself to death. That's really impressive. The British probably only have ~10-14 battleships right now. And that's including old stuff like HMS Dreadnought. You've achieved what Scheer wanted in real life - A rough parity with the Grand Fleet. Saint Celestine fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Jul 2, 2015 |
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Jul 2, 2015 05:43
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Meanwhile at the British Admiralty...
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Wow, it didn't feel at all you sank 10 BB's. Great job. So what is the strategy in the upcoming months? Are we going to wait till we are back up to strength and in the mean time only send minor raiders out? Or we sail with what we have, hoping for the killing blow?
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Jul 2, 2015 05:58
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Saint Celestine posted:Wow! In real life, Fisher would have had an aneurysm and Churchill would have drank himself to death.
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Jul 2, 2015 06:26
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Holy poo poo. Never expected that.
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Jul 2, 2015 06:41
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gently caress the haters, I called it
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Jul 2, 2015 06:54
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Yeah, that retreat had me thinking you at least traded one-for-one, but goddamn. Nice.
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Jul 2, 2015 06:59
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So is the Jutland LP the only time Grey has been unable to destroy the Royal Navy?
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Jul 2, 2015 07:00
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And Preussen was an obsolete hunk of garbage and Moltke was only a battlecruiser. Three dreadnoughts for ten is a very efficient trade.
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I was thinking like 4 or 5 BBs with a B sprinkled in there but 10 BBs?  That is a stunning victory. Jutland was a major battle but this puts Jutland to shame.
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Jul 2, 2015 07:18
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This is the battle of Jutland if Jellicoe had deployed by the opposite flank.
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Jul 2, 2015 07:31
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This battle was amazing. A point blank knife fight at night between nearly the entirety of both fleets. I can't even imagine the confusion that both sides would have suffered if this had happened in real life.
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A White Guy posted:I was thinking like 4 or 5 BBs with a B sprinkled in there but 10 BBs? We were gettiing a lot of torpedo hits in, but a lot of them were "Unkown is hit by torpedo" - I guess British damage control is not up to the task, and a lot of their ships went down - one torpedo sank the Seydalitz, so anything is possible. I'll get the loss map for the next update to see if we can figure it out a bit more. Edit - Look at the Collinwood, She took four hits (one of each type), and sank.
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Jul 2, 2015 07:54
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I imagine Jellicoe got sacked after the last battle, and Beatty deployed the fleet this time, with his signals officer giving the orders 
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Jul 2, 2015 07:55
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I wonder how many of those dead BBs are from storm of torpedoes both sides unleashed at night. Amazing battle with great conclusion! One or two battles like that and military strategists will have to work around not having any fleet-in-being on both sides to consider.
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Look at how shot up the Friedrich der Grosse was. I'm surprised there was enough left of her to sink. Edit: Of the 346 heavy hits scored by the entire Royal Navy, 149 hit the Friedrich der dublish fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Jul 2, 2015 |
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dublish posted:This battle was amazing. A point blank knife fight at night between nearly the entirety of both fleets. I can't even imagine the confusion that both sides would have suffered if this had happened in real life. To be fair even abstracted here it was incredibly confusing... I legitimately thought Grey was pummeled badly and maybe barely broke even casualty wise.
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Jack2142 posted:To be fair even abstracted here it was incredibly confusing... I legitimately thought Grey was pummeled badly and maybe barely broke even casualty wise. I'm planning to do a video using the battle of Jutland scenario (Okay, a series of videos). Just so you guys can get a better feel of how this works - but I'm about to go on a half week trip to my folks, so I'm holding off until after that.
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So, countdown until the British shoot an Admiral to encourage the others?
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How much were losses hidden in WW I? Will the next day's newspapers be full of tales of bravery, betrayal and victory against all odds (from both sides)?
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Churchill calls Beatty into his office:  alex314 posted:How much were losses hidden in WW I? Will the next day's newspapers be full of tales of bravery, betrayal and victory against all odds (from both sides)? After Jutland both sides tried to play it off like they had won, but you can't really hide the sinking of entire capital ships (the IJN's efforts in WW2 notwithstanding) and it soon became apparent even from the German side that they hadn't really "won"
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I feel like in real WWI the German fleet would have come home convinced they'd taken a strategic defeat and all the admirals would have been fired. By the time they figured out they sank 10 dreadnoughts it would be too late for the government to bring them back without admitting they'd made a mistake which means it would be too late to bring them back.
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I have a question. Does this game model things like the Dover Patrol and the Northern Patrol? Can the RN react to a loss like this by pulling ships off blockade duties to reinforce the Grand Fleet?alex314 posted:How much were losses hidden in WW I? Will the next day's newspapers be full of tales of bravery, betrayal and victory against all odds (from both sides)? The thing about naval battles in the North Sea is that afterwards, everyone goes straight back to their own country and it's much harder to sit on certain details than it would be for most other battles. People can see ships not returning. The wounded go straight into hospital at home, those that don't go ashore and start talking. The British spin would likely be to flagrantly overstate enemy losses (and besides our fleet is so big it doesn't really matter) and denounce anything else as German propaganda.
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Jul 2, 2015 10:56
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Is the post-battle intelligence on the names of enemy ships sunk completely accurate, or does this game have a WitP-style system where the intelligence is not always correct?
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Drone posted:Is the post-battle intelligence on the names of enemy ships sunk completely accurate, or does this game have a WitP-style system where the intelligence is not always correct? I think they are 100% accurate.
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Christ, Jutland was only 3 battlecrusiers lost for the Brits, and 1 BC and 1 pre-dreadnought for ze Germans (along with a handful of lesser ships on both sides). With 10 dreadnoughts at the bottom of the North Sea, traded for 5 outdated capitals ships, I really can't see the Admiralty staying calm in this situation.
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Jul 2, 2015 11:37
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As far as the press is concerned these were 5 battleships of the most modern type, while the Royal navy only lost "a small number" of outdated ships.
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So we can pretty much rule out the Royal Navy's blockade of Germany happening in this timeline, I guess. Congrats Grey, you may have just won the whole war. Or prolonged it?
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If fleets annihilate each other then UK will replenish losses a lot faster than Germany, and to intercept merchant shipping and chase submarines you need destroyers and light cruisers anyway. Of course Grey's closer to the magic points maker that represents UK willingness to fight. I'd love more complex global game with naval part as well visualized as in this game.
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You have to remember though, the British army was in France and Belgium. Losing the Grand Fleet would probably have Lord Honorable Admiral Ministers of Sergeant Lords doing backflips in Whiteminsterham Admiralty.
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Oh, without a doubt. I'm not sure RN has ever received a beating of this size. Even the losses of their Pacific forces in WW2 were comparatively less shocking, since RN alone was massively outgunned compared to IJN.
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Ten dreadnoughts in a single engagement? Forget the RN - I'm not sure any navy ever received such a catastrophic loss. This is less like Jutland and more like Tsushima, Trafalgar or Lepanto.
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Who would have been the historical admiral of the Grand fleet in 1914? Edit: It was Jellicoe. Well, I imagine not for long. I see great things for the Kaiserliche marine in the future if Beatty takes over.
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Let's see, from most to least modern by class, the RN is now in the following situation with respect to BBs and BCs: RN BBs: Iron Duke: Iron Duke: sunk Marlborough: sunk Benbow: took heavy damage early November Emperor of India: active, just commissioned Erin: Erin: active Agincourt: Agincourt: active King George V: King George V: active Centurion: active Audacious: sunk Ajax: took light damage early November Orion: Orion: sunk Monarch: took heavy damage early November Conqueror: took heavy damage late October, under repair until beginning of January 1915 Thunderer: sunk Colossus: Colossus: sunk Hercules: sunk Neptune: Neptune: active St. Vincent: St. Vincent: sunk Collingwood: sunk Vanguard: active Bellerophon: Bellerophon: sunk Superb: sunk Temeraire: sunk Dreadnought: Dreadnought: active RN BB Grand Total: 12 sunk, 4 in yards, 8 active RN BCs: Tiger: Tiger: active Queen Mary: Queen Mary: sunk Lion: Lion: took medium damage mid-August, probably repaired by now Princess Royal: sunk Indefatigable: Indefatigable: active, should be in the Mediterranean until February 1915 Australia: active, in South/Central Atlantic until end of January 1915 New Zealand: took medium damage early November Invincible: Invincible: active, should be chasing down von Spee right now, returning to England in February 1915 Inflexible: active, should be chasing down von Spee right now, then in Mediterranean until mid-June 1915 Indomitable: active, should be in Mediterranean until December RN BC Grand Total: 2 sunk, 1 active, 1 probably active, 1 in yards, 5 active but not in theater And what the RN has in the pipeline, with commissioning date: RN BBs: Canada: Canada: mid-October 1915 Queen Elizabeth: Queen Elizabeth: late December 1914 Warspite: early March 1915 Barham: mid-October 1915 Valiant: mid-January 1916 Malaya: early February 1916 Revenge: Revenge: early February 1916 Royal Sovereign: mid-April 1916 Royal Oak: early May 1916 Resolution: late December 1916 Ramillies: early September 1917 New RN BB Grand Total: 11 RN BCs: Renown: Repulse: mid-August 1916 Renown: late September 1916 Courageous: Courageous: January 1917 Glorious: January 1917 New RN BC Grand Total: 4 Now, for the German Navy. Our current situation: KM BBs: Kaiser: Kaiser: active Friedrich der Grosse: sunk Kaiserin: took heavy damage late October, needs 15 weeks in yards Prinzregent Luitpold: took heavy damage late October, needs 13 weeks in yards Konig Albert: took heavy damage late October, needs 9 weeks in yards Helgoland: Helgoland: took light damage late October, needs 4 weeks in yards Oldenburg: sunk Ostfriesland: took medium damage late October, needs 5 weeks in yards Thuringen: active Nassau: Nassau: needs 1 week in yards, presumably a refit rather than battle damage Rheinland: took heavy damage late October, needs 10 weeks in yards Posen: sunk Westfalen: took light damage late October, needs 4 weeks in yards KM BB Grand Total: 3 sunk, 8 in yards, 2 active KM BCs: Derfflinger: Derfflinger: took medium damage late October, needs 7 weeks in yards Seydlitz: Seydlitz: sunk Moltke: Moltke: sunk Goeben: given to Ottomans Von der Tann: Von der Tann: took medium damage mid-August, needed 6 weeks in yards as of late September KM BC Grand Total: 2 sunk, 2 in yards, 1 permanently unavailable And under construction: KM BBs: Konig: Grosser Kurfurst: November 12 1914 Konig: January 5 1915 Markgraf: April 1 1915 Kronprinz: April 20 1915 Bayern: Bayern: July 1916 Baden: March 1917 New KM BB Grand Total: 6 KM BCs: Derfflinger: Lutzow: early August 1915 Hindenburg: early May 1917 New KM BC Grand Total: 2 Needless to say, we're still a bit outnumbered.
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Most of the British BCs won't be coming into service until winter of 1915 - therefore, for the moment, Grey has managed to achieve a rough parity with the British. Another big battle or a few good picks and Grey will win the war.
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Jul 2, 2015 15:57
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Hopefully the game doesn't end before we can sink the Warspite.
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Does this game simulate Jellicoe getting court-martialed, Beatty taking over, and the effects of Beatty's hilariously incompetent flag officer?
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Saint Celestine posted:Does this game simulate Jellicoe getting court-martialed, Beatty taking over, and the effects of Beatty's hilariously incompetent flag officer? What's the real life story behind this Beatty guy?
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