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blarzgh posted:Is there any danger in boiling every person, historic event, place, or group down to a single defining feature, and then judging its merits and whether it should be remembered, honored, or acknowledged on that basis alone? Not tear their monuments down but that's a valid thing to bring up when someone's jerking off about how the founders wanted all men to be free and equal sure. Also yea Che wasn't a good dude in a lot of ways, maybe a bunch of white 'communists' shouldn't be wearing him on a shirt. Woody Allen and Polanski being kid rapists doesn't affect their films but yea those dudes should probably be in jail or something. On that, the confederacy shouldn't be expunged from all records as if it never existed, but at the same time we don't have to pretend they were a valid movement that had goals beyond 'we wanna own them blacks'.
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blarzgh posted:Hey, no problem right? We're only eliminating Racism. You don't like Racism, do you? In my mind, its not about what we're stamping out. "Well don't have such wrong opinions, and we won't string you up for it!" is, in my view, a dangerous way of advancing the pricipals of 'tolerance' and 'fairness' and 'equality' that our society supposedly espouses. This is so dumb. "Sure right now it's removing a symbol of slavery and treason, but what if later it's kicking in your door and murdering you for reading Das Kapital?!" blarzgh posted:See, this is the bullshit that bothers me. You're more interested in proving what not-a-racist you are than you are in having a discussion. Its not your fault, its whats popular now - 15 years ago, people could discuss the nuance and theory and historiography without fear of being labeled 'evil' or 'racist' or whatever. I really think its bad to try and stamp out all dissent with shame, even if that dissent is really bad. No duder, you said it was an oversimplification to boil the core cause of the CSA down to slavery, you now have to explain what the other, non slavery, causes were that were central to the CSA. This isn't a hard thing, this is what a discussion is. No one's trying to stamp you out, we're engaging with what you're saying.
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Also the whole Spartia/Persia origins. Statistically most people smugly telling a more advanced and progressive army 'come and take it' tended to wind up dead and taken.
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