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Yeah those mercenaries or what ever at the end of Alien 3 are awesome. The "marines" in alien 2 look like Vietnam era soldiers, but these dudes looked like some serious future fuckers. AvP was a travesty. The comics were established, the games were established, everyone loves marines and alien 2, everyone loves the alien universe. So what do they do? Make a lovely pg-13 modern day pyramid of garbage. Then when people complained that was garbage they thought it was simply because it was pg-13 so they made the next one pure gore porn of the worst sort.
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AVP Requiem is a guilty pleasure. "That's crazy, the government doesn't lie to people!" and the blond girl getting impaled by the Predator frisbee alone was worth it. 
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Baronjutter posted:Yeah those mercenaries or what ever at the end of Alien 3 are awesome. The "marines" in alien 2 look like Vietnam era soldiers, but these dudes looked like some serious future fuckers. I still remember the maternity ward scene in requiem. That's just being edgy. I'm not sure if it's my imagination playing tricks on me but if I remember correctly all the baby cribs were covered in blood too. It's still way better than the first AvP which is saying something neosloth fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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It's just such a fantastically mean spirited movie. Which was kind of cool after Paul Anderson's AVP
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The Predator in AvPR is hilarious because he straight up doesn't give a gently caress. He's there to do a job, and gently caress these petty humans getting in his way. I got Ian Whyte, the actor who portrayed the Predators in both AvP movies, to record an audio intro for one of my AvP Lets Play videos several years ago. Really cool, funny guy. He also played the main Engineer in 'Prometheus'.
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Xenomrph posted:I also much prefer the ending in the theatrical cut showing the Queen Chestburster popping out of Ripley, and a large part of that is the music. Here's the theatrical version of the scene: So this is weird as poo poo for me because I have remembered this wrong for years; I thought for a long time that the theatrical cut implied Weyland was an android but the Assembly cut changed him to human, and I remember really disliking that change. I still prefer to think of it that way anyway because dude just stands up with his ear hanging off like it's no biggie. Xenomrph posted:And he's not wrong that an AvP movie *could* be done well, it just hasn't yet. I read that Dark Horse is throwing its hat into the comic movie franchise ring, so it's not all that far-fetched that they'd be the ones to do it right someday. They just needed to not set them on Earth in the present.
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sticklefifer posted:So this is weird as poo poo for me because I have remembered this wrong for years; I thought for a long time that the theatrical cut implied Weyland was an android but the Assembly cut changed him to human, and I remember really disliking that change. I still prefer to think of it that way anyway because dude just stands up with his ear hanging off like it's no biggie. The theatrical version is somewhat more vague about it. *The movie's trading cards identify him as Michael Bishop, and then the Colonial Marines game retcons it slightly so that he's actually Michael Bishop Weyland, head of Weyland-Yutani.
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Snowman_McK posted:It's just such a fantastically mean spirited movie. Which was kind of cool after Paul Anderson's AVP In the unrated cut it shows the little kid in the beginning graphically die from a chestburster.
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Immortan posted:In the unrated cut it shows the little kid in the beginning graphically die from a chestburster. I vaguely remember that. Doesn't another kid accidentally kill themselves with a gun? Or am I getting my movies mixed up? It almost feels like a troll job. "You want an all out war between aliens and predators? Here you go. Horrifying, isn't it?"
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Snowman_McK posted:I vaguely remember that. Doesn't another kid accidentally kill themselves with a gun? Or am I getting my movies mixed up? It almost feels like a troll job. "You want an all out war between aliens and predators? Here you go. Horrifying, isn't it?" You're thinking of Planet Terror. AV|P:R is in the same genre as The Blob remake and (to a lesser extent) Planet Terror, but it's much closer to The Mist. It's a 1950s alien invasion homage, complete with the dude poking a meteor with a stick. The kid's death in AV|P:R is not a 'meta' joke about how the kid never dies in these movies. It's actually an essential bit of characterization: The town sheriff - who knows full well that the kid is dead - lies to the boy's mother and lets her go on believing. This is, of course, is directly related to how the Predator goes around destroying evidence and hiding the bodies. When the nuke finally drops, the sheriff is standing right beside the mother. He brought her right into the bullseye, and she still steadfastly believes that "the government doesn't lie to people!" So it's actually very important to show that the kid is dead. The sheriff has to be a liar for the story to work. It's all about failing to conceal the ugly truth. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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The problem with this interpretation is that this part:SuperMechagodzilla posted:The town sherrif - who knows full well that the kid is dead - lies to the boy's mother and lets her go on believing. ...isn't true.
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Yes it is. He didn't literally find the bodies, but he knows he found the dad's severed arm. In that situation, you're thinking 'welp, the kid's dead.' The mother doesn't act like she knows about the severed arm part of the story. That's been concealed already. She criticizes the Sheriff for not looking harder. Why isn't he looking harder? Because he knows the kid is dead, and so does the audience. As in every other Alien movie, this is psychological horror. When the predator kills the deputy that saw him destroying evidence, that scene stands in for the Sheriff's inner desire to keep the truth hidden, his resentment towards the deputy, and things of that sort. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Jul 26, 2015 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Yes it is. He didn't literally find the bodies Eh, I'm unconvinced.
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Xenomrph posted:Oh, oh okay. Well, why do you think the mother and sheriff characters are in the film? And don't give me a cynical 'oh they just needed cannon fodder' dismissal. Both characters survive to the end, until the nuke hits, and neither one even really sees an alien. Here's another example. Before the deputy's wife is killed, she has a little exchange with her coworker. It's a perfectly innocent conversation, where he just offers her a place to stay. But Daniel C. Pearl, cinematographer on The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, shoots this simple dialogue scene for maximum creepiness:  When the aliens kill them both, a minute later, it's an explosion of this creepy subtext. 
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Neo Rasa posted:There's a horrible Italian ripoff of Alien called Alien 2: ON EARTH that came out before Aliens. Anyways, it's hilariously bad in all ways except the awesome soundtrack but what I love about it is that, in predating Aliens, what is rips off is the eggs and chestbursting, that's it. An alien doesn't burst out of you, rather, an egg hatches and gets you and then in the near future you just explode. The eggs are coming from an alien queen and a mad scientist that chill out in a warehouse on earth and just ship eggs wherever. Don't worry, warehouse basements look like a warehouse basement someone spent ten minutes trying to make like the Nostromo and the derelict ship at the same time, so it looks like a basement with a grated floor and big "ribs" on the sides. The alien itself is a stationary gigantic nose with an eyeball on top of it. It was released outside of Italy under the name Contamination and Alien Contamination. Don't delay my friends: Am I really gonna be the first person to point out that Alien 2: On Earth and Contamination are completely different movies? (Contamination is the much more enjoyable film imo, though Alien 2 has a cult following too.)
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Am I really gonna be the first person to point out that Alien 2: On Earth and Contamination are completely different movies? Yeah contamination had the subtitle of "Alien on earth" I believe. Still I'm sure it was exploited in advertising.
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Gaz2k21 posted:Yeah contamination had the subtitle of "Alien on earth" I believe. Totally and I mix them up often for that reason.  My favorite alternate titles for Contamination are from Brazil and Japan, Alien: The Murderous Monster and Aliendrome respectively.
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Immortan posted:In the unrated cut it shows the little kid in the beginning graphically die from a chestburster. Yikes, is it really that much worse than theatrical? I remember going in having heard about the "hosed up" kid and pregnant woman deaths and being a little concerned I'd find it too disturbing, but turned out both scenes seemed to be shot and edited to be as innocuous as possible*, which simultaneously relieved me and perturbed me (the latter in a "well what was even the point of that" way). *(if I recall, for instance, the kid's scene has him reacting with all the discomfort of a mild stomach-ache before an incredibly fake-looking CGI chestburster pops out in a close-up shot)
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lizardman posted:Yikes, is it really that much worse than theatrical? I remember going in having heard about the "hosed up" kid and pregnant woman deaths and being a little concerned I'd find it too disturbing, but turned out both scenes seemed to be shot and edited to be as innocuous as possible*, which simultaneously relieved me and perturbed me (the latter in a "well what was even the point of that" way). You have it right. The OMG UNRATED cut is just a director's cut with better editing, alternate effects in some cases, and some really vital scenes added back in. The kid's death is only about two seconds longer. It's like Human Centipede; people get really freaked out by the concept, but the film itself isn't very graphic.
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I sat through Salo because it's an amazingly made movie but I turned off AvP2 because it was just gross and made me feel disturbed/uncomfortable. I've gotten more and more timid in my entertainment tastes these days, I really don't like movies where lots of innocent people and kids get graphically killed for shock value. Hell I find it hard to even kill in video games any more. If there's a way to do a no-death run I'll do it.
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Baronjutter posted:I sat through Salo because it's an amazingly made movie but I turned off AvP2 because it was just gross and made me feel disturbed/uncomfortable. I've gotten more and more timid in my entertainment tastes these days, I really don't like movies where lots of innocent people and kids get graphically killed for shock value. Hell I find it hard to even kill in video games any more. If there's a way to do a no-death run I'll do it. Serious answer: 'Alien: Isolation'. It's entirely possible to do a no-killing playthrough.
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Baronjutter posted:I sat through Salo because it's an amazingly made movie but I turned off AvP2 because it was just gross and made me feel disturbed/uncomfortable. I've gotten more and more timid in my entertainment tastes these days, I really don't like movies where lots of innocent people and kids get graphically killed for shock value. Hell I find it hard to even kill in video games any more. If there's a way to do a no-death run I'll do it. That's fair enough, but it's not 'just' shock value. The film begins with the cops kicking the town's homeless out of the sewers, trying to cover up a child's murder, etc. the one protagonist is returning from jail, and the other is returning from Afghanistan.... All the imagery is of something repressed that's now resurfacing. This little town is intimately connected to the prison-industrial complex, and to wars overseas, in ways that are hard to visualize. So they're visualized with aliens.
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Baronjutter posted:I sat through Salo because it's an amazingly made movie but I turned off AvP2 because it was just gross and made me feel disturbed/uncomfortable. I've gotten more and more timid in my entertainment tastes these days, I really don't like movies where lots of innocent people and kids get graphically killed for shock value. Hell I find it hard to even kill in video games any more. If there's a way to do a no-death run I'll do it. You wuss. It was a fun B movie. Also, the whole Predalien concept was less retarded than the girl using an Alien's head for a shield and tail for a spear in the first film and that's saying something.
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AvP:R was mediocre but infinitely better than AvP.
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The whole "predators built all ancient buildings that were bigger on the bottom than top, look, they're ALL bigger on the bottom than the top!! ALIENS!" was so eye-rollingly stupid even Giorgio Tsoukalos would be embarrassed. Anyways, surprised to hear defense of AvP:R in this thread! Does anyone have anything good to say about Alien 4 other than ron pearlman is in it?
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The only good thing about AvP-R is that it stopped AvP movies for the time being. I'm not shocked that people here like it. But I cannot enjoy the Family Guy of the Alien/Predator franchise.
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Baronjutter posted:The whole "predators built all ancient buildings that were bigger on the bottom than top, look, they're ALL bigger on the bottom than the top!! ALIENS!" was so eye-rollingly stupid even Giorgio Tsoukalos would be embarrassed. Anyways, surprised to hear defense of AvP:R in this thread! Does anyone have anything good to say about Alien 4 other than ron pearlman is in it? The underwater scene with the Aliens is pretty baller. That's really all I remember about it.
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SMG: I'm curious if you think the absurdly dark color grading of Av|P:R was part of some larger theme or just an incredibly bad stylistic choice. EDIT: CORRECTED MOVIE TITLE david_a fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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david_a posted:SMG: I'm curious if you think the absurdly dark color grading of AvP:R was part of some larger theme or just an incredibly bad stylistic choice. Uhmm, I think you mean Av|P:R. That 2 second lens flare in the opening titles changes the movie completely.
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ozmunkeh posted:Uhmm, I think you mean Av|P:R. That 2 second lens flare in the opening titles changes the movie completely.
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Resurrection did something nearly cool with the whole cloning Ripley thing, what with the failed clones and the DNA mix but then went absolutely nowhere with it.CelticPredator posted:I'm not shocked that people here like it. But I cannot enjoy the Family Guy of the Alien/Predator franchise.
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david_a posted:SMG: I'm curious if you think the absurdly dark color grading of Av|P:R was part of some larger theme or just an incredibly bad stylistic choice. It's neither. It's just a bad transfer by the studio. The same thing happened to Godzilla 2014. The image is perfect if you just turn up the brightness by 3 notches in windows media player. Hate for AV|P:R is slightly understandable because, until Prometheus, it was the most abstract film from either series. As noted, there is absolutely no plot connection between the story of the aliens and the story of the sheriff. Yet, when the nuke hits, the death of the two monsters is intercut with the death of the sheriff and the boy's mother. Contrast this with Aliens, where everything revolves around the literal monsters. "We have to stop these Aliens!" "I was traumatized by the Aliens, so I want to kill the Aliens!" "I'm going to take the Aliens home." "No don't take the Aliens home!" And so-on. AV|P:R and Prometheus basically function like a Garfield Without Garfield comic. Garfield is still 'there', but pushed firmly into the subtext. Meanwhile, fans are like "where's Garfield??? I paid to see an orange cat eat lasagna!"
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blackguy32 posted:The underwater scene with the Aliens is pretty baller. That's really all I remember about it. Yeah, but Resurrection also had the most unforgivable scene in the whole series where that stupid "Newborn" thing killed the Alien Queen.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's neither. It's just a bad transfer by the studio. The same thing happened to Godzilla 2014. Like, at all. And this is coming from someone who was entertained by AvPR (but recognized its flaws). Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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People, generally, do not know why they like or dislike things. I do not expect you to be different.
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Sometimes the people defending very bad alien movies remind me of this interview with Randy Pitchford who made a very very bad alien game but absolutely can't admit it's bad because like nothing is bad it's all like subjective, man, who's really to say. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-07-23-an-hour-with-randy-pitchford
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Baronjutter posted:Sometimes the people defending very bad alien movies remind me of this interview with Randy Pitchford who made a very very bad alien game but absolutely can't admit it's bad because like nothing is bad it's all like subjective, man, who's really to say. This guy literally spent five years talking about how GEARBOX is made of REAL fans of Aliens so the lighting and the models and everything are going to look EXACTLY like they do in Aliens because GEARBOX is an awesome developer and GEARBOX is going to make the definitive Aliens video game experience right up until the game shipped. Then like a week later he was all well actually this wasn't really Gearbox's baby it was all TimeGate Studio's fault they were such a bad developer and had a bunch of mini social media meltdowns from people oddly politely asking him to clarify this even though TimeGate was basically the only reason the game, horrible as it is, even reached a completed state and was shipped. It worked with Duke Nukem Forever even though that was a Gearbox game too but people seemed to not fall for it a second time. Oh also because of how much Pitchford is a lying hyper-sleaze who oversold what Gearbox could do Sega went with Colonial Marines and canned an 80% complete Aliens RPG by Obisidian that had perma-death for characters who got facehugged that could be held off by putting them into cryo-sleep and only awakening them if you really needed their abilities for a specific thing but eventually they were done. Also the money Sega was giving Gearbox to develop Colonial Marines was instead used to fund the creation of Borderlands 2 and Gearbox got sued over it. Have a nice day. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Jul 28, 2015 |
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I kind of want to see it over again and watch it from SMG's perspective. I had never really noticed that on my first and only viewing of the movie and I think it is kind of funny that the movie pretty much takes place in small town America. Baronjutter posted:Sometimes the people defending very bad alien movies remind me of this interview with Randy Pitchford who made a very very bad alien game but absolutely can't admit it's bad because like nothing is bad it's all like subjective, man, who's really to say. I think Aliens: Colonial Marines is pretty much the movie you would have ended up with if you felt like the Marines didn't get enough screen time in the original Aliens movie. The game is a loving mess even when you ignore the technical problems and simply focus on the environments, the plots, the themes. It feels like they saw that a lot of people liked Aliens and then just forgot all of the baggage that went along with the movie. Also, the decision to bring back Hicks and the way they had to twist the story to include him was embarrassing.
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