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Moridin920 posted:ok but counterpoint women being depicted as literal commodities and orgasming from eating burgs on TV: all of that is awkward and bad though?
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Moridin920 posted:ok but counterpoint women being depicted as literal commodities being weighed on a scale and orgasming from eating burgs on TV: And you'll get bunch of leftist bloggers talking about how bad this is?
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Jun 30, 2015 00:12
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i mean lets face it in reality it's just them basically dropping the mic in front of everybody and hiding behind the shield of calling any naysayers a racist and/or homophobe
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Jun 30, 2015 00:14
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ArbitraryC posted:And you'll get bunch of leftist bloggers talking about how bad this is? Miltank posted:all of that is awkward and bad though? idk I think the objectification of women is bad but I don't necessarily think sexual imagery is inherently bad. sorry. maybe it's because I'm european but you dudes get way too hung up on your kids seeing an errant nipple but there's zero fucks given about your kids watching zombies exploding in gore. 'your' here having the meaning of americans in general ofc
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Jun 30, 2015 00:14
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Moridin920 posted:ok but counterpoint women being depicted as literal commodities being weighed on a scale and orgasming from eating burgs on TV: I did watch them because Ick, but they all say banned from TV
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Jun 30, 2015 00:15
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metricchip posted:I came here to post that exact video. Sums it up pretty loving well. That last line is just priceless. God I love it. Almost as much as I love a dick in my rear end.
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Darth123123 posted:I did watch them because Ick, but they all say banned from TV banned superbowl ads, they definitely ran on TV. and honestly banning a superbowl ad is a great way to make sure everyone googles that poo poo look I keep an open mind so if you show me evidence to the contrary then fine but afaik the realization that sex is a thing that people do doesn't inherently break kids and I think you underestimate kids greatly if you think most haven't seen porn by the time they're 10. some dudes waving a dildo around isn't going to harm them. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Jun 30, 2015 |
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Jun 30, 2015 00:15
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And again, that is still literal orders of magnitude more subtle than sucking on a penis popsicle.Moridin920 posted:idk I think the objectification of women is bad but I don't necessarily think sexual imagery is bad sorry. maybe it's because I'm european but you dudes get way too hung up on your kids seeing an errant nipple but there's zero fucks given about your kids watching zombies exploding in gore.
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Jun 30, 2015 00:18
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TEAYCHES posted:also it worked yeah i dont think any modern social movement has ever been this effective so complaining about their methods is silly
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Jun 30, 2015 00:18
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you guys are just prudes there's no difference between a woman in a bikini on TV and a bear gagging on a plastic dick in the middle of the street
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Jun 30, 2015 00:19
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i guess it might be rubber or something too i dunno
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Jun 30, 2015 00:20
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Moridin920 posted:banned superbowl ads, they definitely ran on TV. and honestly banning a superbowl ad is a great way to make sure everyone googles that poo poo
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Jun 30, 2015 00:20
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its just a bit of puke play fuckin americans are so uptight, gosh!
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Jun 30, 2015 00:20
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CISMALES DID 9-11 posted:you guys are just prudes there's no difference between a woman in a bikini on TV and a bear gagging on a plastic dick in the middle of the street who cares
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Jun 30, 2015 00:20
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CISMALES DID 9-11 posted:you guys are just prudes there's no difference between a woman in a bikini on TV and a bear gagging on a plastic dick in the middle of the street I'm pretty sure you could get arrested for killing a bear with a dildo, they don't give hunting permits for that. You have to use a gun, it's the law.
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Jun 30, 2015 00:20
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The Taint Reaper posted:I'm pretty sure you could get arrested for killing a bear with a dildo, they don't give hunting permits for that. You have to use a gun, it's the law. well good thing i live in a country where i can get guns unlike these fuckin dumbass euros
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Jun 30, 2015 00:21
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ArbitraryC posted:If I ever argued in a heterosexual context that we treat sex too puritanical as a society and that stuff like the age of consent is ridiculous I'd get called out on being a pedophile. I'll just say right here and now that I think that diddling kiddies is always wrong, whether you're gay or straight.
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Jun 30, 2015 00:22
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TEAYCHES posted:also it worked it worked because it's a trendy counterculture movement and it affects affluent white people
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Jun 30, 2015 00:22
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The Taint Reaper posted:I'm pretty sure you could get arrested for killing a bear with a dildo, they don't give hunting permits for that. You have to use a gun, it's the law. you live in a lovely state if you can't buy the piece of paper that lets you kill a bear. E; I keep my bear hunting vibe right here next to my pc
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Jun 30, 2015 00:23
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CISMALES DID 9-11 posted:well good thing i live in a country where i can get guns unlike these fuckin dumbass euros Nah the Euros have guns, they're just listed under antiques because they hoarded a bunch of equipment from World War II. You know "Grandpa" had a lot of heirlooms you know? It's also real easy to make ammo for them in your basement.
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Jun 30, 2015 00:23
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ArbitraryC posted:And again, that is still literal orders of magnitude more subtle than sucking on a penis popsicle. Popsicles are phallic regardless. ArbitraryC posted:Okay fine maybe seeing sex in public in general is a thing that i am somewhat uncomfortable with because I was born and raised in the states, but that doesn't make it bigoted to find it offputting in a context like the pride parade, and it also still doesn't change it being kinda odd that pride parades are so closely intertwined with kink/fetish stuff. Are you seeing sex in public? Are there people in a parade having penetrative or oral sex in front of bystanders? Or is it just partial nudity and dancing which you find suggestive? What city are you talking about - there is tremendous variation by city. I sat through the Pride parade in Columbus, Ohio years ago - it was the most tedious, boring thing I've ever seen. No nudity, a dozen church groups, a bunch of corporate tie-ins. And lots of topless women (because it was hot and humid, and it's legal for women to be topless.)
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Jun 30, 2015 00:24
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ArbitraryC posted:it worked because it's a trendy counterculture movement and it affects affluent white people sure, but it still worked and the sexy gay pride parades didnt hurt it, considering how successful its been. it just made some ppl who will never support lgbt rights ever annoyed and i dont see the problem
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Jun 30, 2015 00:25
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Do It Once Right posted:
There's open oral sex in both NYC and Cali pride parades. usually you unwittingly wander a bit into an alley and wind up interrupting it.
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Jun 30, 2015 00:26
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ArbitraryC posted:And again, that is still literal orders of magnitude more subtle than sucking on a penis popsicle. Idk it really isn't. She is literally pulling her stockings down and taking a bite of burg and then cumming while the burg is between her open legs over where her pussy is. quote:Okay fine maybe seeing sex in public in general is a thing that i am somewhat uncomfortable with because I was born and raised in the states, but that doesn't make it bigoted to find it offputting in a context like the pride parade, and it also still doesn't change it being kinda odd that pride parades are so closely intertwined with kink/fetish stuff. Alright this is a middle ground we can settle on though. I'd make fun of straight people having a leather parade walking down the road in their petplay outfits so it is only fair the gays get a fair ribbing also. I still support their right to do it, just to clarify.
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The Taint Reaper posted:There's open oral sex in both NYC and Cali pride parades. nice. I'll have to travel next year. e: Wait, if the alleys are taken, where do you piss?
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Jun 30, 2015 00:27
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Moridin920 posted:ok but counterpoint women being depicted as literal commodities being weighed on a scale and orgasming from eating burgs on TV: bugs the poo poo out of me that they're not actually biting the burgs (fake crunch sound that's supposed to be satisfying but isn't)
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TEAYCHES posted:sure, but it still worked and the sexy gay pride parades didnt hurt it, considering how successful its been. it just made some ppl who will never support lgbt rights ever annoyed and i dont see the problem I've been involved in lgbt stuff for a long time now and am directly saying that how lgbt pride is portrayed in the media was a direct personal barrier to being comfortable with myself because i didn't feel like I fit in to it.
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Do It Once Right posted:Popsicles are phallic regardless. Here in Seattle it was all kinds of weird with the tie-ins. But it also felt pretty bland because it feels more like going through motions than a social movement now.
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Jun 30, 2015 00:28
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ArbitraryC posted:how lgbt pride is portrayed in the media A 5 second clip on the local 6 o'clock news, one day out of the year, of the raunchiest float with the most nudity? Why the hell should gays cater to such laziness in the first place? The media clearly doesn't give a gently caress. Until that changes, gently caress them.
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Jun 30, 2015 00:30
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ott gay flamboyancy and ott sexualization at pride both stem from the fact that gays were an oppressed group and many oppressed groups react to that oppression by embracing the worst of what people say they are and shoving it in their faces. like this is basically social movements 101 you're talking about the group of people that took every insult people made up from them and turned them into friendly phrases and terms of endearment. being crazy bombastic about sexuality is just a way to get a rise out of folks and get on the news and poo poo as well as being a fairly effective way to respond to the image of them being fetishists and perverts and poo poo.
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Do It Once Right posted:A 5 second clip on the local 6 o'clock news, one day out of the year, of the raunchiest float with the most nudity? Well not just portrayed in the media, but yeah pride parades are one of the faces of the movement and before college it's not like I really had a huge network outside public events like that. I dunno, to me being attracted to dudes doen't change me as a person, it doesn't mean I have to dress or act differently, it doesn't mean I have to be more overt or explicit about my sexuality, it just means that sometimes I date dudes instead of dudettes. I'm willing to admit that part of this is a byproduct of being able to pass as straight when I want to, but on the same token I've known plenty of gay people who we're just normal boring people and I feel like a common social misconception is that you're supposed to ride around in your rainbow cockmobile or something. At the end of the day you as a person shouldn't be reduced to archtypes that fit your sexuality and tbh I feel far more pressure from the gay community than I do the straight community over this.
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ArbitraryC posted:Well not just portrayed in the media, but yeah pride parades are one of the faces of the movement and before college it's not like I really had a huge network outside public events like that. I dunno, to me being attracted to dudes doen't change me as a person, it doesn't mean I have to dress or act differently, it doesn't mean I have to be more overt or explicit about my sexuality, it just means that sometimes I date dudes instead of dudettes. I'm willing to admit that part of this is a byproduct of being able to pass as straight when I want to, but on the same token I've known plenty of gay people who we're just normal boring people and I feel like a common social misconception is that you're supposed to ride around in your rainbow cockmobile or something. sounds like something an oppressive bigot would say are you sure you arent just an oppressive 1%er bigot piece of poo poo?
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:ott gay flamboyancy and ott sexualization at pride both stem from the fact that gays were an oppressed group and many oppressed groups react to that oppression by embracing the worst of what people say they are and shoving it in their faces. like this is basically social movements 101 I can see this and it all makes sense, actually. Although it's weird when they actually are fetishists.
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Jun 30, 2015 00:42
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CISMALES DID 9-11 posted:sounds like something an oppressive bigot would say u mad
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Jun 30, 2015 00:44
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TEAYCHES posted:u mad hes the bigot
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sf's parade is basically just a really long line of politicians and corporations rainbow-washing their image with a 5-hour stroll down market street hey were facebook, we do rainbow poo poo and employ a trans woman, see, here she is on the float, we're still gonna gently caress with drag queens and trans users and financially support anti-lgbt politicians tho but dont worry, rainbow poo poo! token trans woman!
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Jun 30, 2015 00:51
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dad gay. so what posted:ill make the website
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It's good to have some behavioral standards in public regardless of sexual orientation. Well, that's my opinion, thanks for reading!
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ArbitraryC posted:I feel like a common social misconception is that you're supposed to ride around in your rainbow cockmobile or something. I agree it's a common misconception. Straight media sustains and disseminates that impression much more strongly than gay or lesbian organizations. ArbitraryC posted:At the end of the day you as a person shouldn't be reduced to archetypes that fit your sexuality and tbh I feel far more pressure from the gay community than I do the straight community over this. Unless you live in a small town, you should have available a gay community with many facets and cliques: choir, rollerderby, bikers, softball league, marathoners/triathletes, theater buffs. Every parade I've been to has had much more than just this level of diversity. Go tell Dykes on Bikes that they're riding around on their rainbow cockmobiles - you'll either get laughed at or plain hosed up. Either you're coming from a perspective of limited experience, or you've got some weird internalized homophobia.
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ArbitraryC posted:I've been involved in lgbt stuff for a long time now and am directly saying that how lgbt pride is portrayed in the media was a direct personal barrier to being comfortable with myself because i didn't feel like I fit in to it. okay but now you're conflating pride with its media portrayal marginalized group have no say in how they're rolled up in poo poo like that it's like going "why do black musicians glorify violence" and ignore the white people that are paying for the violence but not the culture. I was in the same position, feeling uncomfortable with my sexuality because of the way it was generally understood, but one of the barriers you have to overcome is realizing how much of that is just baggage you picked up from bullshit cultural narrative coming from people who don't want to understand it. you don't have to want to be the twink dancing in designer underwear, and I completely get not identifying with that and getting frustrated with that being the understanding of this part of your identity, but you should be questioning if he's really the enemy. he shouldn't have fun and be comfortable and party on the one day of the year set aside specifically to do that because somebody else is decontextualizing it and using it to flatten and dismiss what it means to be gay?
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