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I remember when Chris Weidman was all hype and had never beaten anybody.
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Skip My Posts posted:LMAO  I was at that fight and probably the only one in the arena who was laughing. Ty1990 posted:I remember when Chris Weidman was all hype and had never beaten anybody.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:07
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What have you seen from Conor in his 5 UFC fights that suggests he's not on the same level as Chad Mendes?
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Jul 1, 2015 06:10
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Ty1990 posted:I remember when Chris Weidman was all hype and had never beaten anybody. Weird, because I remember an All-American wrestler stifling one of the best BJJ players in MMA history.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:11
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Ty1990 posted:What have you seen from Conor in his 5 UFC fights that suggests he's not on the same level as Chad Mendes? His best win is max holloway years ago.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:11
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Here is what is going to happen: Chad wins vs Conor Chad loses vs Aldo Conor wins vs ranked 5-10 fighter Aldo vs Conor happens at UFC 200.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:14
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Marching Powder posted:His best win is max holloway years ago. This is sort of my point though. All people can do is point out what a giant leap Conor is taking going from the middle of the pack of 145 straight up to Jose Aldo. Every great fighter had to take that leap at some point. From Frankie Edgar going from Matt Veach to BJ Penn and Weidman going from Munoz/Maia to Anderson. I don't buy the "he hasn't fought anybody" argument. If Conor was getting taken to deep waters by these gatekeepers then I would be on board with it, but he's destroyed every single guy that has been put in front of him like any elite fighter would. And that's what I'm saying; Conor McGregor is indeed an elite Featherweight. Ty1990 fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jul 1, 2015 |
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Jul 1, 2015 06:16
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Marching Powder posted:His best win is max holloway years ago. mendes best win is ricardo lamas
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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and conor's best win is porier, a top 5 featherweight who he knocked out in 90 seconds
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Jul 1, 2015 06:23
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Dangersim posted:mendes best win is ricardo lamas Yeah it's pretty impressive that Mendes brutally hosed him up in the first round.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:24
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So mcgregor is going to lose to Mendes instead of Aldo, ok
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Dangersim posted:mendes best win is ricardo lamas I would love to see conor do what he did to lamas
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Silver lining: Cole Miller vs Mcgregor can finally happen after mendes beats the crap out of him
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If Conor beats Mendes it's gonna be pretty funny in here watching you all say it was because Chad took the fight on short notice.
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Ty1990 posted:If Conor beats Mendes it's gonna be pretty funny in here watching you all say it was because Chad took the fight on short notice. Not going to happen
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Jul 1, 2015 06:32
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:Not going to happen Anyway, it's almost 2AM over here on the East Coast. I'll be back tomorrow.
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Ty1990 posted:If Conor beats Mendes it's gonna be pretty funny in here watching you all say it was because Chad took the fight on short notice. Who all? The Conor haters? Are there any? edit: If MCGregor clowns Mendes or even edges him then the Aldo fight is even more interesting. Who doesn't want a better eventual main event?
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Ty1990 posted:Again, I'm just asking somebody to give me a reason why Conor is so overmatched here besides LOL Dennis Siver. I think Chad is an amazing fighter and has a good chance to win, but I'm not seeing the mismatch everybody else is. All signs point to conor mcgregor not having very good defensive wrestling
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Jul 1, 2015 06:41
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The thing is Urijah Faber set the atmosphere at Team Alpha Male to always be training. And to always have your shirt off and dougieing too. But Chad & the rest never fully get out of camp. He might not be as dialed in on Conor's moves by the night of the fight but he's going to be in shape, wrestling on point and mentally prepared to beat the poo poo out of someone.
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:All signs point to conor mcgregor not having very good defensive wrestling which signs are those, Lord Waffle Beard?
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Dangersim posted:which signs are those, Lord Waffle Beard? His bosses, who absolutely want him to fight Aldo, circumnavigated an entire division of wrestlers to get him there
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Jul 1, 2015 06:48
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The argument that Conor McGregor is not a really good fighter is loving absurd. Can he beat Jose Aldo? I have no idea, but he has destroyed everyone he's faced in the last couple years and looked good in every fight. I'd like to see him grapple, but aside from that, maybe he is a bit overhyped, but I don't think he's been too obscenely overhyped.
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Yeah, I mean there hasn't really been any good evidence of him having bad wrestling. But he also hasn't fought any great wrestlers so acting like he has this in the bag is stupid.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:50
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Lid posted:The gently caress is this the truth
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Dangersim posted:which signs are those, Lord Waffle Beard? UFC deliberately setting him up with strikers and avoiding anyone with a semblance of a wrestling background and hes a european guy that's been submitted twice and still trains in europe, going against the second best MMA wrestler in the featherweight division.
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Jul 1, 2015 06:51
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:UFC deliberately setting him up with strikers and avoiding anyone with a semblance of a wrestling background and hes a european guy that's been submitted twice and still trains in europe, going against the second best MMA wrestler in the featherweight division. joe silva not matching him up with wrestlers and being from ireland are incredibly stupid reasons
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Dangersim posted:joe silva not matching him up with wrestlers and being from ireland are incredibly stupid reasons Chad mendes is a better wrestler than conor mcgregors wresting coach
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I guess there are a few reasons I'd favor Mendes: 1. If you give me a fairly even fight between a wrestler and striker, I'm taking the wrestler. It's easier to land takedowns than K.O. blows and the threat of taking a guy down neutralizes his stroking and opens up yours. 2. Mendes has bested good fighters and accounted himself well against Aldo who is one of the best p4p. 3. Conor is unproven. Yes I understand he has destroyed the guys he's faced but they are lesser fighters than Mendes/Aldo. 4. Mendes has been in title fights with the pressure that accompanies that. 5. We know Mendes has a good gas tank. Conor's is unknown. If he gets tired will he collapse mentally? I'm in no way saying Conor can't win. I'm just saying my money is on Mendes because I think it's more likely he wins.
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:Chad mendes is a better wrestler than conor mcgregors wresting coach and hes also a better wrestler than conor mcgregor
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Dangersim posted:not sure that logic checks out tbh Cmon son. Dennis siver for the shot
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Dangersim posted:joe silva not matching him up with wrestlers and being from ireland are incredibly stupid reasons and no they arent
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:Chad mendes is a better wrestler than conor mcgregors wresting coach his coach is an olympian so nope
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Conor is one of few fighters where I was hearing that he was amazing and a future champion almost before I had seen him fight. This isnt something you see all the time. Others where I can look back and see that kind of hype are are jones, velasquez and weidman (interestingly rory, on the same card, is another). So on some level it seems like the behind the scenes hype the mma community has for high-potential fighters is incredibly effective at picking out who the truely exceptional fighters are. Personally I feel like my own instincts for amazing fighters is decent, as from the beginning I always felt that phil davis was vastly inferior to jones, and that the winner of johnny hendricks vs mike pierce would be the guy to beat gsp. There is, however one main distinction between all those fighters and conor and that's wrestling. My gut feeling is that conor will beat aldo or mendes, alhough I have no solid reasoning for why, only vaguely iffy stuff. Aldo is amazing but I look at the difficulty he had with hominick and I think he'll lose. I look at mendes and i see the difficulty he had maintaining the composure he had obviously been taught in camp against aldo ii and I see a guy who'll lose. Without any clue what conor's wrestling is like, how can you know how he'll do when someone starts throwing him around? I have to say though, whatever my idiot brain is basing it's opinions on, it thinks conor will win. I remember one of my first posts on these forums was about how, before Edgar vs Penn 1, Edgar was one of the best fighters in the world and how heavyweights sucked. Fatherdog said my post was good and David Carmichael made fun of me for Implying matt veach wasn't a garbage man. I guess what I'm saying is that, win or lose, conor is good and heavyweights are bad.
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I hope Conor insanely kicks the rear end off of Mendes because otherwise some poor guy has to go to Nova Uniao, the third floor gym with an ever present threat of falling out of a window, as the Negative Six Million Dollar Man
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I'd like to see Conor win and have his insane hype train roll on, but seeing him lose would be somewhat useful, in that it would seal Aldo's fate as being the dumbass who blew his one and only chance to ever cash in on a massive PPV bonus and become rich as an un-heralded fighter who the masses don't care about. When you are facing the kind of payday he was with a telegenic guy who is unproven, then gently caress your title. Seriously, gently caress it, it is not extremely important to defend your championship, you really need to place an ultra-premium on not getting hurt and making the walk. If you insist on training hard for the fight and risking an injury, then at least close your training sessions to the media and make sure your guys wont leak any injuries.
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Dangersim posted:his coach is an olympian so nope Nope
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I haven't seen anyone say Conor is bad, only that they think Mendes will win. I think Conor is really good and maybe a future champion depending on his wrestling, gas tank and who he eventually gets matched up with for a shot. I'm just basing my pick off known things about both fighters and trying to make a logical decision. That doesn't mean Conor won't come out and knock Mendes out in 30 seconds.
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Dangersim posted:joe silva not matching him up with wrestlers and being from ireland are incredibly stupid reasons US Olympic Wrestling Medals - 125 Irish Olympic Wrestling Medals - 2* *Actually wrestled for Great Britain in the 1908 Olympics. Dangersim posted:his coach is an olympian so nope Yeah, a Moldovan Olympian. All-American, best wrestler in his conference vs. Moldovan Olympian who made the Olympics representing a country of 3 million fake rear end Romanians? Tough choice.
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MagicCube posted:Yeah, a Moldovan Olympian. All-American, best wrestler in his conference vs. Moldovan Olympian who did what? Tough choice. is this a joke?
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