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RanKizama posted:It's the same kind of DLC we've come to expect though. Clothing packs, hair styles, items, and characters. The DLC for these kinds of games has always been about anime dress-up for the most part. Hell, look at Dead or Alive. Huge DLC packs like Deep Crimson's. Actual stories focused on developing the characters (like the relationship between the Gessen and Hebijo girls) and no more fanfiction bullshit like the Yumi and Asuka story ("We love plump/thick things") or Mirai and Ryoubi's ("War against big breasts") Dark_Tzitzimine fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Huge DLC packs like Deep Crimson's. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Actual stories focused on developing the characters (like the relationship between the Gessen and Hebijo girls) and no more fanfiction bullshit like the Yumi and Asuka story ("We love plump/thick things") or Mirai and Ryoubi's ("War against big breasts")
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RanKizama posted:You mean the goofy unimportant side-stuff like Deep Waist (Chibi Mode), Hipster (Shooter), and Burst (Boob-adjsuter and Boss rush) that added nothing to the core story or gameplay? Burst is the laziest one, but Waist Deep is an epilogue and Hipster added a whole new minigame. The three of them are bundled with costumes and accesories, giving you more for your buck. And Estival has new sidestories as DLC.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Burst is the laziest one, but Waist Deep is an epilogue and Hipster added a whole new minigame. The three of them are bundled with costumes and accesories, giving you more for your buck. Also, I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that the epilogue of Deep Waist is anything as crucial to the story as you're hoping for. Especially considering how they chibi the characters to tell it. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:And Estival has new sidestories as DLC. RanKizama fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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I'm glad that Dark_Tzitzimine has a home again.  I have a question: Is there any news when Estival Versus and Deep Crimson will release in the EU? Is there a solid release for Estival Versus yet?
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The_Frag_Man posted:I'm glad that Dark_Tzitzimine has a home again. EDIT: Nvm, those dates are for the US. I'll have to look up the EU dates later. RanKizama fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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RanKizama posted:The DLC packs are also more expensive and have to have more content because Nintendo is pretty strict about DLC content needing to be loving huge. Basically you can't download individual pieces that you want for smaller prices that you want to pay. Instead, you're forced to buy everything even if you don't want some of it. What if I want to buy a item pack without shelling out an inflated price because it had to be packaged with Hipster? Too bad. Pay up more money or miss out. Granted, I'd get all of it anyway but I like the Versus system of doing things better because I can pick and choose what I do and do not want to pay for. Not a really compelling argument, the packs cost 800 yen, just 200 higher than Ayame and you're getting a lot more. Yeah the epilogue is mostly fluff but is a nice send off and gives you 11 characters more.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Not a really compelling argument, the packs cost 800 yen, just 200 higher than Ayame and you're getting a lot more. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Yeah the epilogue is mostly fluff but is a nice send off and gives you 11 characters more. RanKizama fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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D_T, I'm not really sure what you're expecting with this series anymore. SK is 100% par-for-the-course anime storyline. There is absolutely nothing special about it. You're acting like some great author came in and granted the utmost care to the original games, and the Versus ones are a different author basically turning it into garbage. That's not what's happening. It's the same people (the same GUY) doing the same things across both game series. It's all equally good or equally terrible, and you need to understand that. The story is dumb and has major tone issues with a hilariously awful imbalance between "serious talk" and "slapstick comedy". This applies to BOTH Burst/DC and SV/EV. In short, SK is not being ruined. You're literally ruining it for yourself. Stop taking it so seriously.
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Takoluka posted:D_T, I'm not really sure what you're expecting with this series anymore. SK is 100% par-for-the-course anime storyline. There is absolutely nothing special about it. You're acting like some great author came in and granted the utmost care to the original games, and the Versus ones are a different author basically turning it into garbage. That's not what's happening. It's the same people (the same GUY) doing the same things across both game series. It's all equally good or equally terrible, and you need to understand that. The story is dumb and has major tone issues with a hilariously awful imbalance between "serious talk" and "slapstick comedy". This applies to BOTH Burst/DC and SV/EV. I think that DT is just a victim of his passion and fandom. I admire his dedication even if I disagree with him on some issues regarding the franchise. In his defense, Burst did kind of set a precedent for a serious story with some comedy bits on the side while Shinovi and the subsequent releases have focused more on fun and less on "Good Ninja vs. Evil Ninja & Youma" that Burst did. Deep Crimson does kind of go back to that, but I'm not expecting the franchise to follow suit much in the future due to the poor reception of the title on the 3DS. People want the silly feel of the Versus series while also having fun with the quasi-serious tone of the main story instead of the other way around. Takaki even said himself that he doesn't want this franchise to be a hardcore gaming experience where you're fully enraptured to keep playing for hours on end. It's more of a breath of fresh air between more hardcore titles and it's doing a good job of filling that room. I'm okay with that approach but I don't think DT is, which is where he kind of hangs up a bit. Also, this is the best thing.  I can't wait to see how much Ayame's moveset reflects Katsuragi's. RanKizama fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jul 13, 2015 |
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I'm aware of that, still those kind of changes have been only made when the placeholder date gets really close without updates from the supplier. This change came with a month of difference. is extremely odd. Amazon's literally making poo poo up, that's why. The_Frag_Man posted:I'm glad that Dark_Tzitzimine has a home again. Soon. MarvEU is guessing some point in August, but the game's still in certification. I'll be surprised if they're still taking pre-orders on August 14th.
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RanKizama posted:Ayame complete with customization, story, and her use for online play is plenty enough for $6. Especially considering that a character for a game like Mortal Kombat is $4, or $7 if you want a costume package. When you say "a lot more" you refer to a mini-game that could be in the Mii Plaza and a few accessories. While I'll still pay $8 for it, it's still nice to have the option to pick and choose what you want rather than being forced to buy everything because of Nintendo. You can spend $6 on Ayame and get all her stuff (and her story mode is sure to last just as long if not longer than Hipster) and then the other $2 on additional things if you want. Either way, the costs balance out with either store. It's just that PSN has a better way of allowing you to pick and choose what you want to buy and you still get more than enough bang for your buck. Hell, more often than not you don't even have to buy accessory or costume packs, you can just spend $.99 on one particular item. Didn't you see my post? Ayame doesn't has a story. What had Nintendo to do here? Since before Deep Crimson's release Takaki announced the add ons and how each would include costumes and accesories. And my point was that Deep Crimson's DLC is WAY more substantial than simple cosmetic add-ons. quote:11 chibi versions of the same characters is not the equivalent of 11 more characters. I'd be more onboard if it was like 11 New Wave characters or something. lol Those are semantics. they fully fledged characters with distinct movesets, full compatibility with every feature on the game and even a story. Takoluka posted:D_T, I'm not really sure what you're expecting with this series anymore. SK is 100% par-for-the-course anime storyline. There is absolutely nothing special about it. You're acting like some great author came in and granted the utmost care to the original games, and the Versus ones are a different author basically turning it into garbage. That's not what's happening. It's the same people (the same GUY) doing the same things across both game series. It's all equally good or equally terrible, and you need to understand that. The story is dumb and has major tone issues with a hilariously awful imbalance between "serious talk" and "slapstick comedy". This applies to BOTH Burst/DC and SV/EV. Character interaction. I've seen it many times before. What made Burst important for me was the amazing character interaction between all the cast. The story was merely a vehicle for the characters' growth. Versus scrapped all of that and reduced the characters to one trick ponies. And while that is fun every now and then, it has became the driving force behind the Versus' games' writing. Burst's gameplay was fun and focused but Versus tries to have its cake and eat it too with really mediocre results. It mixes multiplayer elements with action game elements and none of those are polished enough to be satisfying. Things like the parry are useless in the main game due the sheer amount of enemies while the multiplayer is awfully balanced due the characters being designed to face tons of foes at the same time. Even when the level of skill between the players is even, the playable modes are reduced to: spam your ninpo in the final seconds. This weekend a Versus tournament was organized through different fan pages and every match was the same. Having Rin and Dai banned did little to even the field. Deep Crimson was again a game with a focus and thus, delivered what it's the best game in the series, Estival on the other hand? It takes Versus foundations and cranks them to eleven, flaws and all. RanKizama posted:Takaki even said himself that he doesn't want this franchise to be a hardcore gaming experience where you're fully enraptured to keep playing for hours on end. It's more of a breath of fresh air between more hardcore titles and it's doing a good job of filling that room. I'm okay with that approach but I don't think DT is, which is where he kind of hangs up a bit. He also said that he wanted games with solid foundations underneath the sillyness and the fanservice. Something severly lacking with the Versus games. And hell there are plenty of games that can strike a balance without having to sacrifice anything. I love Suda51 games because they have TONS of personality, try something different and deliver a solid gameplay experience, all of it with a healthy dose of sillyness and nuance. The Versus games just feel like low effort cash grabs, without the "soul" that made Burst so special.
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Burst doesn't have the soul that even the most basic beat-em-ups from the 16-bit era. I own Burst. Burst's character interactions are not that impressive, because the characters themselves have no depth and can't decide if they wanna be serious-time ninja warriors or wacky-fun fanservice machines (they are really bad at being both). Senran Kagura is a mediocre series for people that like to hit buttons and look at "hot anime girls". The series practically beats you over the head with that fact. The characters are anime tropes, and while the interactions are enjoyable and sometimes pretty funny, they are not and cannot be the foundation of a game. Look at the SK anime. It's practically Burst without the fighting, and it sucks. All the character interactions are nearly 100% intact, and it still sucks. I'll say it again. You're trying to make this series into something it's not, and as a result, you're actively ruining your own experience with it. Senran Kagura is a mediocre anime titty mess, and not only is that okay for a person to like, it's okay for you to like it. Stop doing this to yourself, man. Just enjoy this dumb series for what it is, and have fun.
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Takoluka posted:Burst doesn't have the soul that even the most basic beat-em-ups from the 16-bit era. I own Burst. Burst's character interactions are not that impressive, because the characters themselves have no depth and can't decide if they wanna be serious-time ninja warriors or wacky-fun fanservice machines (they are really bad at being both). Unsurprisingly, I disagree with your statement. See, despite the reputation I've earned on this forum, I'm quite picky about the media I consume. Over the years I've seen plenty of series with plenty of fanservice and it comes a point where you realize is exactly the same and you quickly lose the interest. Not gonna lie, I actually got Burst thinking that it would be another fanservice game that I'd play for a while and then forgot all about it but to my delight that wasn't the case. Burst anime is actually good, I lack the knowledge and the skill to properly articulate the reasons for it so I'd just suggest you to check this livebloggin. It really mirrors my logic about it.
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Burst's story (and SK's story in general) suffers from severe tonal whiplash most of the time.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Didn't you see my post? Ayame doesn't has a story. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:What had Nintendo to do here? Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Those are semantics. they fully fledged characters with distinct movesets, full compatibility with every feature on the game and even a story. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:He also said that he wanted games with solid foundations underneath the sillyness and the fanservice. Something severly lacking with the Versus games. And hell there are plenty of games that can strike a balance without having to sacrifice anything. Gessen attacks Hanzo for siding with Evil Shinobi, which they believe makes them evil as well. Conflicting perspectives of what is good and evil play a big part in establishing the foundations for the various Good and Evil Shinobi when they are indeed just two sides of the same coin. Not sure for most of Estival's story yet but it looks to be a big setup for the next in the series because Sayuri goes over some dark poo poo at the end. A lot which involves the girls all dying to the youma because they don't work together or something. That's good poo poo right there. Granted, they aren't fighting the youma directly in the Versus series and I hope that they get back to it, but the writing in Versus isn't this catastrophically horrible story that ruins the franchise. The character interactions with the Shinobi Heart side stories is just icing on the cake.
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RanKizama posted:The character interactions with the Shinobi Heart side stories is just icing on the cake. I thought that was Bon Appetite.
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Junpei Hyde posted:I thought that was Bon Appetite.
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Thank you for explaining the joke.
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Sakurazuka posted:Thank you for explaining the joke.
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Sorry, I thought you were referring to a different kind of cake.
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RanKizama posted:The character interactions with the Shinobi Heart side stories is just icing on the cake. Stupid things like Sengoku Super Wars are my cake. Everything else is icing. 
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Cake is life. Icing's hometown.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:See, despite the reputation I've earned on this forum, I'm quite picky about the media I consume. Well, stop it.
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Schubalts posted:Stupid things like Sengoku Super Wars are my cake. Everything else is icing. Dark_Tzitzimine posted:See, despite the reputation I've earned on this forum, I'm quite picky about the media I consume. 
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 It's so beautiful. I'd like to thank everyone who made this possible: RanKizama Dark_Tzitzimine Junpei Hyde elf help book Cabbagepots Schubalts Schrodingers cat Sakurazuka Eye of Widesauron Cog05 Jarogue Beef Chief Delusibeta Takoluka Awesome! Chomp8645 Dehry Light Gun Man vkeios LOVE LOVE SKELETON The Taint Reaper Million Ghosts chumbler darth cookie Szurumbur Ruggington Unlucky7 Yechezkel Midjack The_Frag_Man Anatharon Ekster Flynn Taggart little munchkin The Shortest Path Pureauthor Largepotato
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Saint Freak posted:
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Saint Freak posted:
Godspeed, my brother.
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Saint Freak posted:
I always believed in you and so did Takaki. (T=L)(A=H) See you when we celebrate Summer as snow falls.
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Schrodingers cat posted:See you when we celebrate Summer as snow falls. I too am ready for bikinis in the winter.
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Phoneposting so I can't post links (won't have access to a pc for a while) but Marvelous Europe social manager says Deep Crimson is still on track for an August release.
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Saint Freak posted:
*sniff* I'm so proud of you. 
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Saint Freak posted:
I've no idea how I helped, but congratulation on your new arrival! I've stopped trying for Platinum myself, maybe I should follow your example... Szurumbur fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Jul 14, 2015 |
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Szurumbur posted:I've no idea how I helped, but congratulation on your new arrival! I've stopped trying for Platinum myself, maybe I should follow your example...
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RanKizama posted:The Platinum trophies for both Shinovi Versus and Bon Appetit are pretty easy to get. The Platinum for Estival Versus looks like it'll be easy as well. Play the story mode, play side-stories, unlock everything, do a few easy combos, get trophy. Yeah, but the gameplay had not really grabbed me, so playing everything did not seem like a good idea. Maybe in short bursts, though. We'll see.
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Szurumbur posted:Yeah, but the gameplay had not really grabbed me, so playing everything did not seem like a good idea. Maybe in short bursts, though. We'll see.
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I'm going to keep my Shinovi Versus Platinum right next to my Akiba's Trip Platinum so everyone knows I am the master of anime battle stripping games. Also I need to update my resume.
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Saint Freak posted:I'm going to keep my Shinovi Versus Platinum right next to my Akiba's Trip Platinum so everyone knows I am the master of anime battle stripping games. Also I need to update my resume. 
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I'm also curious as to why I'm so near the top of the list. Oh god did you rank us by number of posts in thread?
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