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dogcrash truther posted:It's actual fact, fucker. Why don't you look up the employment rates in those countries if you don't believe me. Ah, that is an intelligent argument and so very relevant aswell. I never thought of that. Feel free to post sources for your actual facts for this fucker to peruse at his leisure. Lots of greeks posting up in this thread. Can't wait if the people in charge of the EU are wise to the sunk cost fallacy. We'll know tomorrow.
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how me a frog posted:All non American economists agree that the fallout of GREXIT would be "insignificant, at worst" so I dunno what you're on about. If it's insignificant then why would you even care.
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how me a frog posted:Fact or fiction? maybe you should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQuHSQXxsjM Also check the GNP and unemployment rates for EU countries which tried forced austerity to cure the economy over the last few years.
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how me a frog posted:Ah, that is an intelligent argument and so very relevant aswell. I never thought of that. Feel free to post sources for your actual facts for this fucker to peruse at his leisure. Hey, you said Spain and Italy are doing great with austerity. They're not.
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Drone_Fragger posted:For reference, greek spending on it's pensions is 12% of GDP, less than austria and the UK and almost the same as germany. But this is "too much on pensions" apparantly. lol. I would be surprised if 1% is what Americans spend
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dogcrash truther posted:If it's insignificant then why would you even care. Because the greeks might vote NAI and that would get them a 27th chance, and being that I am a citizen of an actual useful country I don't want to foot the bill for that.
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dogcrash truther posted:Hey, you said Spain and Italy are doing great with austerity. They're not. I said their situations have improved. You seem to disagree, but neither of us have provided any sources so we're both equally idiots, just one of us is right, and it could be either of us.
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euro is gonna take a hit if they leave, either you pay directly or you pay via lower spending power of the euro either way you pay
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how me a frog posted:Because the greeks might vote NAI and that would get them a 27th chance, and being that I am a citizen of an actual useful country I don't want to foot the bill for that. It's interesting to me that a lot of people, like you, don't seem to realize that one country's imports are another country's exports, and that one person's profit is another person's payment and so on.
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Lufiron posted:euro is gonna take a hit if they leave, either you pay directly or you pay via lower spending power of the euro There is difference between writing off your security deposit because your roomate is a slob, and agreeing to pay his rent indefinitely because you're scared the landlord will find out said roomate has been running a jenkem ring from his room given the fact that he won't even agree to stop doing that poo poo because he considers your demand terrorism.
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and that if the euro loses 10% of its value you just lost 10% of your wealth which is similar to just losing it outright
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dogcrash truther posted:It's interesting to me that a lot of people, like you, don't seem to realize that one country's imports are another country's exports, and that one person's profit is another person's payment and so on. What does Greece export and export, smart guy? I had a look at the numbers. The answer is, if you don't know, gently caress all.
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Jul 5, 2015 01:56
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Lufiron posted:and that if the euro loses 10% of its value you just lost 10% of your wealth which is similar to just losing it outright Lol if you think this is a possible scenario.
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Jul 5, 2015 01:57
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how me a frog posted:There is difference between writing off your security deposit because your roomate is a slob, and agreeing to pay his rent indefinitely because you're scared the landlord will find out said roomate has been running a jenkem ring from his room given the fact that he won't even agree to stop doing that poo poo because he considers your demand terrorism. this would work if you also demanded that he clean it up himself instead of hitting up his parents for money to hire someone to clean (ie tax corporations)
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Lufiron posted:this would work if you also demanded that he clean it up himself instead of hitting up his parents for money to hire someone to clean (ie tax corporations) Well at least we all agree the EU will be better off without Greece, and Greece, well, who gives half a gently caress.
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Jul 5, 2015 01:58
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Lufiron posted:and that if the euro loses 10% of its value you just lost 10% of your wealth which is similar to just losing it outright The thing the clever germans don't realize is defusing the crisis is actually the cheaper option in the long run than demanding they got every last cent back.
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how me a frog posted:Lol if you think this is a possible scenario. http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=EUR&to=USD&view=1Y http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=EUR&to=GBP&view=1Y
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Well what really matters is that you guys don't get this thread gassed before tomorrow evening eurotime because there will be loads to discuss in a reasoned and well thought out fashion I'm sure.
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Krugman called it. just sayin'
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NotWearingPants posted:Krugman called it. the EU monetary concept is dumb since countries gave up a handy to fight economic slumps.
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Thankfully this is not some existential conundrum, the dice will fall and we'll see who was tantgibly right, and who was wrong, won't we?
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They need a stronger, more effective currency union or none at all. Californians don't really give a poo poo that they're subsidizing the gently caress out of Alabama or wherever, and Alabama isn't ever going to be in Greece's situation no matter how bad its economy gets. Maybe I'm being cynical but I think Germany et al understand this and if Portugal or whoever threatened to exit as well they would get way better terms than Greece. It might just be a matter of dumping sine deadweight before the Eurozone becomes more federalized.
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gently caress the imf
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I would be surprised if 1% is what Americans spend 5% iirc, including benefits normally included as a national healthcare service in other countries.
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how me a frog posted:Thankfully this is not some existential conundrum, the dice will fall and we'll see who was tantgibly right, and who was wrong, won't we? No, not really, since you're not making any argument at all.
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how me a frog posted:Well at least we all agree the EU will be better off without Greece, and Greece, well, who gives half a gently caress. Will it? Will the EU be better off if Greece bails itself out by granting Russia leases for military bases?
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NotWearingPants posted:Will it? if it leaves the EU it will literally just default and refuse to pay back its creditors. It means figuring out a new tax system though and closing the loopholes since no one will back up their sovereign debt for the next 30 years if they default.
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how me a frog posted:Well what really matters is that you guys don't get this thread gassed before tomorrow evening eurotime because there will be loads to discuss in a reasoned and well thought out fashion I'm sure. If we wanted reasoned discussion we wouldn't be egging on some swabian transwife who demands facts while giving none also lol at the demand for 
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Drone_Fragger posted:if it leaves the EU it will literally just default and refuse to pay back its creditors. It means figuring out a new tax system though and closing the loopholes since no one will back up their sovereign debt for the next 30 years if they default. Yeah, I worded my post poorly. I said bail out when I didn't really mean bail out.
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Serious Frolicking posted:so is greece still moving toward fascism? better dead than red, etc
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Serious Frolicking posted:so is greece still moving toward fascism? I don't actually know what the Golden Dawn is about besides genocide. So Maybe
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Serious Frolicking posted:so is greece still moving toward fascism? well austerity made Tojo, Mussolini and Hitler successful
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:I don't actually know what the Golden Dawn is about besides genocide. So Maybe Its about reclaiming their glorious Macedonian history from those motherfucking history stealing Macedonians and purging the state of Macedonia from this earth. Alexander the great for leader of the year all years, just no one mention he forgot to name his own heir and plunged the country into civil war.
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Drone_Fragger posted:Its about reclaiming their glorious Macedonian history from those motherfucking history stealing Macedonians and purging the state of Macedonia from this earth. Alexander the great for leader of the year all years, just no one mention he forgot to name his own heir and plunged the country into civil war. How do the feel about macadamia nuts?
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lol if greece's financial collapse spawns the next hitler just lol
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Mr. Pumroy posted:lol if greece's financial collapse spawns the next hitler just lol Greece doesn't have the power to do it.
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Mr. Pumroy posted:lol if greece's financial collapse spawns the next hitler just lol instead of memorable mustache, Greek hitler will have amazing back hair
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etalian posted:instead of memorable mustache, Greek hitler will have amazing back hair or an awesome banana hammock
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how me a frog posted:Citizens of greece: please vote OXI on the measures that aren't even on the table anymore due to the absolutely ridiculous behaviour of your clown president or whatever you call him. I am sure flinging feces in the collective faces of all those that have kept your failed state afloat for the past five years will "strengthen your position" for "further negotiations." Mate, you're a clueless idiot with stupid opinions, afaik...
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