jBrereton posted:

They should rename it the General Sherman, imo.

Axolotl posted:

Yeah, that would have been funnier than General Grant

dammit! If you preview your post, it loses the attachment

ninotoreS posted:

Abe Lincoln was prominently anti-slavery. As a senator, he had severely opposed it being legalized in the territories, and he openly allied with abolitionists in the Republican party after the Whig party died.

A month after he was elected to president, in direct response South Carolina began openly threatening secession. A month after that, half a dozen other slave states joined in. When Lincoln officially took office in March, Fort Sumter was attacked in April. These are just facts.

Bacon Hat posted:

states rights lol

Omi-Polari posted:

I'm reading Battle Cry of Freedom and there's a moment before Lincoln's election when the Democrat-appointed War Minister (the Secretary of Defense today) wanted to move hundreds of cannons from the North to the South because he knew what was coming and prepared to jump ship.

Congress blocked him from doing it though

I was like hooooly poo poo

but yeah you're right, too.

Eumenides posted:

I've learned most of my American history from the Bioshock games and it seems like the truth is in the middle??

burritolingus posted:

History is fun and should be learned.

gently caress the ROW posted:

lmao larry the cable guy predicted this a decade ago

http://launch.newsinc.com/share.html?trackingGroup=69016&siteSection=blacksphere&videoId=29322341

Maldoror posted:

The Civil War was caused be the invention of the cotton gin, which allowed white landowners to start up a plantation with way less slaves so therefore way less money. The big plantations lobbied congress to impose tariffs on the ownership of slaves not because slavery was wrong, but because it cut into their business. This was done after enough smaller plantations were set up in the South that they just refused to pay the tariffs, so the war started.

So the flag isn't really about what everyone thinks it means. Flags are just images and they mean different things to different people over time. Erasing history sets a dangerous precedent.

Eumenides posted:

Also literally every white settler nation was founded on the racist cultural destruction of the native peoples at best, with attempted genocide at worst. Did you know natives in Canada couldn't vote until the 70s? And yet these native groups were surprisingly supportive in fighting for the crown during WWI and WWII but all that white people talk about is how throwing some money at the bands is the best way to make up for generational trauma.

AND HOW THEY DONT DESERVE IT ANYWAY THE FREEBOOTERS

jBrereton posted:

The First Nations population does not typically see The Crown and The Canadian Government in the same light, hth.

Eumenides posted:

Well obvi but they still acted in goodwill typically up until the Victorian period

gently caress the ROW posted:

jesus christ who gives a gently caress about canada.. probably not even canadians

Eumenides posted:

Who gives a gently caress about the ROW huh??

Prorat posted:

Be real, people against this flag want it banned from being flow or being sold completely.

Fish Cant Hold Gun posted:

The liberals have conspired with the islamist extremists and first they came for the Dukes, and next thing you know your wife is going to be forced to wear a burka and your kids will read the Communist Manifesto in elementary school

Amarcarts posted:

Totally false. I strongly support free speech and the right of non-government institutions and people to manufacture, own, sell, buy, and display the flag. I just don't want any governments, federal, state, or local, to be complicit.

Ramsus posted:

yes the portland metro area of oregon, i twirl my ironic mustache in delight

akasnowmaaan posted:

"When Oregon was granted statehood in 1859, it was the only state in the Union admitted with a constitution that forbade black people from living, working, or owning property there. It was illegal for black people even to move to the state until 1926. Oregon's founding is part of the forgotten history of racism in the American west."

Oregon was founded as a racist utopia

Fish Cant Hold Gun posted:

can't we just let go of our terrible racist past and focus on our terrible racist present

Strudel Man posted:

Can't we just return our terrible racist present for store credit

Axolotl posted:

Eumenides posted:

I like that all the racist rear end in a top hat shitposters have come out of the woodwork in this thread, with their sad and angry responses trying to show they don't care while simultaneously being very upset.

Maybe America should overhaul it's education system so that a) individual states aren't twisting events to serve their political views, b) ridiculous myths about the history of America stop spreading around, and c) so that your country can stop tearing itself apart from a Clash of the ignoramuses

See I think we should just ban thoughts and work in a perfectly harmonious hive but some people think that's "inhumane" but if it's so inhumane why do bugs do it huh??