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 People live here I always felt that an opposed point of view would be intresting to give, so well, here we go. I am a retired soldier of Novorossiya Armed Force(Formerly LNR/DNR People's Militia). I held the rank equivalent of US AF Seargant First Class. I created this thread for a few very simple reasons. Number one would be providing the other side point of view on the current conflict and events, second, to provide at least some entertainment, because hey, I'm pretty much OPFOR for you people. I will try my best to answer as much as I can save for anything that I deem to be OPSEC such as concrete adresses, names, numbers and everything such. This story began summer 2014. I used to be a low-grade lawyer in Moscow, Russia. What I did was boring, uninspiring, useless. Always felt that way to me. When this whole thing started, I have been morbidly fascinated by the development of conflict. In July, I have started working on the humanitarian side, gathering medicine, foodstuffs, clothes for Donetsk orphanages. I gathered cargo, packed it, found a vehicle I could send it with and off it went. In two months time I have also started gathering tactical equipment, camouflage, footwear for the militia. I have also began to establish contacts with a few active people in the militia. Come jan 2015, after many trips to the republics, already holding a position as a civilian specialist(Supplies) I have realised that I cannot remain a bystander in face of ukrainian army atrocities, so I donned my gear, took my car and joined a UAV recon unit under the speciality of an operator, responsible for avionic and electronic gear onboard of the unit. I have worked in both Luhansk and Donetsk republics since.
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What do you personally think and/or hope Russia's end goal is here? Total conquest of the Ukraine? Forcibly annexing a few chunks? Installing a Warsaw Pact-esque puppet regime? Stabilizing Ukraine and withdrawing to prewar borders?
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Gabriel Pope posted:What do you personally think and/or hope Russia's end goal is here? Total conquest of the Ukraine? Forcibly annexing a few chunks? Installing a Warsaw Pact-esque puppet regime? Stabilizing Ukraine and withdrawing to prewar borders? Honestly, I gave up trying to understand geopolitics awhile ago. Half a year back I would say it's limited assistance at the same level until DNR/LNR push UAF out to the region borders, after which it's another ceasefire and official, recognized secession of the republics. Now, with all the screws tightening I'd say it wants to freeze the conflict and let the republics remai na cursed bufferzone until hell freezes over. As for ideal turnout I supposed, short of open intervention, I'd settle for more equipment. From low-level stuff to maybe functional tanks, repair kits, functional nightvision and comms. It would be an immense help.
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Jul 6, 2015 19:02
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Who do you think shot down that Malaysian airliner a year ago?
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Jul 7, 2015 03:06
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You said you joined in response to Ukrainian Army atrocities. Do you believe the separatists and Russians have committed any? Edit: You also mentioned joining out of a morbid fascination with conflict, going from an aid worker to a UAV crewmember. Have you ever heard of a guy named Caro? chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Jul 7, 2015 03:16
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I'll be going to the Donetsk region in September to document the war, do some research, and hopefully interview soldiers on both sides of the line. Do NAF soldiers respect American passports enough to leave American journalists alone, or is there a fair chance I'll end up like Simon Ostrovsky for a week?
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:I'll be going to the Donetsk region in September to document the war, do some research, and hopefully interview soldiers on both sides of the line. Do NAF soldiers respect American passports enough to leave American journalists alone, or is there a fair chance I'll end up like Simon Ostrovsky for a week? Didn't know this, but good luck. I'm excited to see what you come up with.
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Jul 7, 2015 03:32
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chitoryu12 posted:Didn't know this, but good luck. I'm excited to see what you come up with. Thank you, it's much appreciated. I'll keep the EE thread updated on it when I go. I'll be embedding with the OSCE, so that might give us a new look at things. Maybe.
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HoratioRash posted:Honestly, I gave up trying to understand geopolitics awhile ago. Half a year back I would say it's limited assistance at the same level until DNR/LNR push UAF out to the region borders, after which it's another ceasefire and official, recognized secession of the republics. Now, with all the screws tightening I'd say it wants to freeze the conflict and let the republics remai na cursed bufferzone until hell freezes over. Your English seems much better than the stereotypical Russian's; do/did you use English much in your job, as a lawyer or now? There was a Siberian who had an ask/tell thread here last year but she got banned after she had a meltdown in D&D. Have you read her thread?
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Jul 7, 2015 04:41
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Do you think your eventual death will be more or less painful than Something Awful's last war tourist, Caro?
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Jul 7, 2015 04:42
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So how fun is it to occupy another nation?
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Jul 7, 2015 06:00
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Also is being responsible for the suffering of so many people a plus or a minus?
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Who do you think shot down that Malaysian airliner a year ago? chitoryu12 posted:You said you joined in response to Ukrainian Army atrocities. Do you believe the separatists and Russians have committed any? I have not heard of anyone called Caro. SA's war tourist, I see? Dusty Baker 2 posted:I'll be going to the Donetsk region in September to document the war, do some research, and hopefully interview soldiers on both sides of the line. Do NAF soldiers respect American passports enough to leave American journalists alone, or is there a fair chance I'll end up like Simon Ostrovsky for a week? Ostrovsky had it pretty drat good before the basement incident. He was allowed access to restricted zones, information others would never get. He abused that trust and so he ended up like he ended up. American passports would be treated with more suspicion, but we have a few americans fighting for us, we have Graham Phillips(Who I know personally) reporting from here without a single problem. If you want any help with your visit, you could PM me. Nitrox posted:Have you seen Russian regular forces fighting in Ukraine? Where do you get your news? I wish I have. As of now, we don't even have enough volunteers fighting. I'd say the current composition of the battalions I have seen is roughly 15% russians to the rest. I get my news first-hand, from my friends and comrades. Fuschia tude posted:Your English seems much better than the stereotypical Russian's; do/did you use English much in your job, as a lawyer or now? Not really, no. My English comes mostly from consuming tons of english-language media from a young age(Be it books, movies, or games) and travelling with my parents all the time when I was a kid. I've read her thread, and I somewhat remember people giving her poo poo for being Russian? Didn't know she got banned. Bip Roberts posted:Do you think your eventual death will be more or less painful than Something Awful's last war tourist, Caro? I'm not sure whether I will be going back to the frontlines any time soon. In any case, even when I do, most of the risk comes from either mortar fire or diversionary groups. We never get closer than three kilometers to the frontline. I am also not afraid of death. If it is something that has to happen, it will happen. My only fear is being captured, though. This is why I carried a grenade with me to any mission. If it coems ot that - I'd rather blow myself up then become their prisoner. Lucy Heartfilia posted:So how fun is it to occupy another nation? Also is being responsible for the suffering of so many people a plus or a minus? While I do not think people like you deserve my time, I will try to answer anyway. I fight against occupation. I have never forced suffering onto civilians on either side of the front, unlike ukrainian army. I do not know anyone on my side who did and lived to tell about it - unlike UAF who doesnt even want to court martial it's commanders and soldiers, here, if you try to murder a civilian - you get a bullet to your head. I have helped people of Novorossiya, and I still do(I continue working with orphanages to this day). HoratioRash fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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HoratioRash posted:I fight against occupation. I have never forced suffering onto civilians on either side of the front, unlike ukrainian army. I do not know anyone on my side who did and lived to tell about it - unlike UAF who doesnt even want to court martial it's commanders and soldiers, here, if you try to murder a civilian - you get a bullet to your head. I have helped people of Novorossiya, and I still do(I continue working with orphanages to this day). As for the MH117 incident, what kind of evidence are you willing to accept in order to pass better judgement? Why are you no longer part of LNR/DNR? Thanks
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HoratioRash posted:I'm honestly split 50/50 between Ukrainian and DNR Buks. When it happened I really thought it was DNR's. Now, I'm leaning more towards the version of it being ukrainian. Hi there, thanks for opening up. I find this interesting, and have some imminent plans to carry out journalistic work in southeast Ukraine. I am curious if we could see possibly any evidence you've actually done the things you say, in the places you claim to have been? Anyone can say anything online, of course. Assuming you to be the genuine article, I would love to ask you some questions: Where do you get most of your news? Especially considering you are leaning towards believing the Ukrainians were responsible for downing MH17; I ask because the Russian-backed forces had been hitting planes and helicopters that entire week, while the Ukrainians have seemingly never done anything more than shoot down UAVs. Moreover, you refer to Graham Phillips as if he is a journalist, rather than another troll, which is always curious, even if you believe the Kremlin story line. How do you feel about the two Russian soldiers who were captured recently? The Russian government claimed they had retired from the armed forces, but the two men claimed to be on active duty. What does this do to Russian/Separatist morale, if anything? Feelings of abandonment? Or simply is this simply brushed off as propaganda? You seem to have knowledge of some sorts of Ukrainian atrocities. What precisely have you witnessed, and where? I have never personally been able to understand the idea of Ukrainian forces harming Russian speakers in the east, considering so many of the armed forces are Russian speakers themselves. Any information in this regard would be fascinating. Finally, as part of an occupation force in what is an illegal conflict, or what will likely be one day treated as one, do you fear prosecution if/when the Putin regime falls? Thank you in advance. EMCF fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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How did you learn about SA? Do you know the United States Air Force has no rank "Sergeant First Class"? They have "Airman First Class", however. Also "Technical Sergeant", which would be to a Sergeant as A1C is to an Airman. When you say you are responsible for avionics, do you mean you are also a maintainer, or do you mean you are part of a team and your job is to read and control the avionics? When you say "electronic gear", do you mean sensors, electronic warfare or your own communications? What models do you use, and what sort of avionics are in use? Is it contemporary Garmin electronics, homemade stuff, or some sort of Russian equivalent? Are the UAVs OTR commercial, Russian military UAVs, or homemade? How long are recon patrols? What sort of information do you usually gather? Who do you report to (not the person specifically, but their position on the command structure)? What do they do with the information? Who funds you, if you are volunteers? Why do you choose a grenade as suicide tool, instead of a gun, poison capsule, or helium gas? Keldoclock fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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Jul 7, 2015 08:45
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What evidence makes you think Ukraine shot down MH17 (links in English if possible as I unfortunately can't read Russian)? How exactly did Ostrovsky abuse his trust?
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Nitrox posted:Would you so kind as to give a short version as to how the Ukrainian army became the occupier? Also, I'd love to hear your take on the events in Crimea. If not occupants, then who are they? Are they liberators? No, how can you liberate a land from it's own people? Are they peacekeepers? No, they commit war crimes, deliberate, inhumane atrocities - torture, rape, murder. They loot, they destroy people's lives for fun, thrill. This is not an anti-terrorist operation. It's a cleansing aimed against half of the Ukrainian population, simply because they are considered politically undesired by those who now hold power in the ukrainian government. This is a civil war that is fully supported by the other half of the populace, of which 10% desires to see all russian ethnos killed and the rest just quietly sitting in their homes, complacent as usual. I will update on Crimea a bit later, don't have the time right now. The current "government" had a great chance to end it the moment in began, in Slavyansk. All it would take is a single company of soldiers and some degree of control over armories. Strelkov's men had Saigas and Veprs when they entered. A single Tigr rifle. Do you know where they got their first assault rifles? They bought them from the ukrainian forces right there. Did they end the rebellion before it began? No. They could have. They had every chance and it would have been so simple. But it wasn't profitable for them, current ukrainian "government" needed an enemy, a distraction from the problems they have forced upon their own country. And so, they loot and destroy the country while the world looks the other way. I really, really want to see that report released. Except it seems to be being stalled and now they want a tribunal against Russia before there's even a report released. How curious, punishing someone before we know who did it? A very curious tactic. My unit is currently being reformed. I am not yet sure whether I will return to active duty. EMCF posted:Hi there, thanks for opening up. I find this interesting, and likewise have some plans to carry out some journalistic work in South Eastern Ukraine. I am curious if we could see any evidence you've actually done the things you say, in the places you claim? Anyone can say anything online, of course.   I would really appreciate in exchange, that you wouldn't practice your classic school of journalism on this occasion, Asking questions is fine, framing those question in a provocative way like you did is just rude. I get my news first-hand from other servicemen. This wouldn't be the first time for the ukraine to down a passenger plane just for laughs, and I really, really want that report. As I said, seeing it stalled like this made me actually believe that it was the ukraine. We'll have to wait for the release though, assuming that ever happens. If it doesn't, hey, I'll know I was right. I remember that. I'm pretty sure the only proof they provided was their militia ID and filming them saying "Hey, we're Russian regulars" That "confession" was obtained through coercion. There are no regular forces in the ukraine, especially not on the front line as that just doesn't make any sense. I do not agree that this conflict is illegal, nor I am afraid of any prosecution in any event. Time will show that we are right. Keldoclock posted:How did you learn about SA? I learned about SA during my time in Eve online - I used to be part of TEST alliance. I registered on forums for archives, but never switched the allegiance. A bit of confusion on abbreviatures, I suppose. AF - Armed Forces. There's no "airforce" right now, aside from our wet dreams. We use commercially available equipment - Chinese airplane shells, ardupilot, dji pilot, also additional sensoric payload and cameras(GoPros, slaved DSLR with zoom lenses). I maintain the electronics, set them up, repair and adjust software side of things, wire up the electricals. I also charge, repair and assemble battery packs. We do both high-res aerial photography through the cameras and low-res live feed through high-gain wifi. We record armor and troop movement, enemy position updates and also artillery correction is some cases. We're the only units that has stepped up from dji phantoms. Grenade is psychologically easier for me. I never really felt that I would be able to cut my own throat or shoot myself. With a grenade? Just pull the drat pin pretending to throw it and then just... not. Scapegoat posted:What evidence makes you think Ukraine shot down MH17 (links in English if possible as I unfortunately can't read Russian)? Ostrovsky recorded block posts composition(Numbers, defences, layouts) and passed them to OSCE and Ukrainian side. This is not commonly available information.
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Thank you for starting this thread. What theory that the Ukrainians shot down MH17 do you believe the most plausible? Are you aware the designer of the Su-25 says there is no way the plane is capable of shooting down a commercial airliner at the altitude it was flying the time of the attack? http://fighterjetnews.com/2015/03/12/designer-says-no-su-25-couldnt-have-shot-down-mh17/ How familiar are you with Bellingcat's work to find the party responsible for the downing of MH17? https://www.bellingcat.com/tag/mh17/ You claim that Russians are not in Southeastern Ukraine fighting against the Ukrainian military, yet you admit you are in fact from Moscow. How many Russians are there in Ukraine fighting Ukrainians who are defending their country from an invading force? And finally, what are your thoughts on Simon Ortovsky's recent report that proved Russian regular military from Siberia were in Debaltseve last winter fighting Ukrainian forces after the Minsk peace agreement, in which Vladimir Putin himself attended, was signed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zssIFN2mso
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Do you think current NATO deployments in Baltics and Poland threaten Russia? If so, then how? Why would NATO invade Russia? Do you think that Maidan was made by CIA and not a national uprising against pro-Russian government? If the Ukrainian military in the beginning of these "funtimes" was molded and formed by years of pro-Russian government, how can you blame them for the mistakes in the beginning of the conflict? Similarly, why would the new government orchestrate a crisis if they're, you know, new? And most of the troubles could be simply blamed on the old government? What's the legality of Little Green Men appearing in Crimea? What did they protect? If Crimea was given to Ukraine illegally, is the continuing Russian presence in Kaliningrad, which was given to the USSR for 50 years tops, still legal?
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More of a comment than a question really. I don't know whether you're a troll, a naive idiot or a cynical propagandist but if this site had even semi-competent moderation you would be permabanned for being a member of an illegal paramilitary invading force on a sovereign nation, a mercenary and a probable war criminal. I know Russians operate in fantasy land where they believe the constant stream of bullshit pumped out by Kremlin approved media but in the west we have actual independent news sources who don't have to clear their narrative with a neofascist dictator and his cadre of crooked thieving oligarch cunts before reporting them so I don't think your lies are going to convince anybody here except the kill Amerikkka crew who was already on your side. Your little "man at the scene" reports are as believable and trustworthy as an IS jihadi's. Please stay out of Ukraine and stop killing and supporting the killing of innocent Ukrainians by a neofascist regime mad because Ukraine finally told it to gently caress off. Also the Ukrainians can't be occupants because they're operating in their country. Novorossiya and DPR doesn't exist except in the diseased minds of Putin, Dugin and the useful idiots they employ to destabilize Europe. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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I do hope you knew what kind of reception to expect when you made the thread. Anyway, you said you made the thread to provide an opposing viewpoint, but so far your own views seem to me to be a bit... Ill-informed. Do you think your own side, where I assume you get most of your news and information from, might not be telling the things quite as they are vis a vis your claims that Ukrainian army is conducting ethnic cleansing?
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Friendly Tumour posted:Also, what made you change your opinion on who shot down MH17? He answered this one already. HoratioRash posted:I get my news first-hand from other servicemen. This wouldn't be the first time for the ukraine to down a passenger plane just for laughs, and I really, really want that report. As I said, seeing it stalled like this made me actually believe that it was the ukraine. We'll have to wait for the release though, assuming that ever happens. If it doesn't, hey, I'll know I was right. I'm interested in knowing what you are referring to when you say that 'this wouldn't the the first time for the ukraine to down a passenger plane just for laughs'. Do you have anything to support this claim? Because it's a fairly serious allegation.
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People on both sides tend to throw accusations of nazism. In your experience, how many people in LNR/DNR blame Jews for orchestrating Maidan and following events? Do you yourself believe in things like Conception of Social Security (Концепция общественной безопасности) or other grand conspiracies?
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Jul 7, 2015 15:07
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What exactly does the DNR/LNR want, both in terms of being separate countries and a version integrating them into Ukraine? What would end this conflict?
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Jul 7, 2015 15:11
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Cool Kids Club Soda posted:He answered this one already. No he didn't.
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Friendly Tumour posted:No he didn't. Read his post that I quoted again. He gave a reason. It's one supported by confirmation bias and a lack of actual facts, which seems indicative of his entire attitude, but it's still a reason.
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Jul 7, 2015 16:00
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Cool Kids Club Soda posted:He answered this one already. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
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What's the state of infrastructure - water, heat, sewers, electricity, roads, communications - in the settlements you have been to within the conflict areas? What is the state of printed and/or radio- and/or TV-broadcasted media in the areas of conflict? What does NAF military ration look like/consist of? Is there any standardization in this respect? Would you, reflecting on yourself prior to taking active participation within the conflict, say that you have been part of some group - ideological, political, or religious - that could not be attributed, neither directly, nor indirectly, to majority of your peers in Moscow (age-wise)?
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Thank you for the link, it was informative. It was certainly a tragic event, but a far cry from what the OP described as 'downing a passenger plane just for laughs'.
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Jul 7, 2015 18:06
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Do you have any opinions about the Greece troubles? What do you think of Putin? Merkel? Obama? NATO?
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What's your opinion of Mozdgovoi, and who do you think is responsible for his death? Also, there's been a lot of discussion of "troll factories" lately, especially in regards to the Ukraine war: did you ever consider working for an outfit like that before you joined the separatists?
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Jul 7, 2015 18:42
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Why do you Russians like to make life lovely for everyone, including yourself?
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Jul 7, 2015 21:09
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*invades sovereign country* "I fight against occupiers!"  Which do you consider to be the greater threat to Ukraine/novorossiya, the jews or the gays?
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Jul 7, 2015 21:24
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Can you write "from russia with love" on something and then post the image?
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Jul 7, 2015 21:52
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Or, better yet, please write "hello brown moses" on random photogenic things.
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