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can someone explain to me what vocal fry is and how it makes women sound weak and powerless? There has been a discussion on my facebook lately about hwo women shouldn't have to talk like men to be respected and people keep saying things about vocal fry and I don't know wtf it is. The discussion is about how there are always these things about how women talk that say that women talk bad and it makes them appear weak like in the 90s it was upspeak and now it's like vocal fry and this thing about saying "just" too much: http://www.businessinsider.com/former-google-exec-says-this-word-can-damage-your-credibility-2015-6?IR=T quote:I started paying attention, at work and beyond. It didn't take long to sense something I hadn't noticed before: women used "just" a lot more often than men. and then there's this response peace: https://debuk.wordpress.com/2015/07/05/just-dont-do-it/ I can't find a good block quote for it so you have to read it.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:00
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i looked into it and it wasnt hard to find out what it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEqVgtLQ7qM
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Jul 8, 2015 01:03
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POWERBALL posted:I can't find a good block quote for it so you have to read it. Not true
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Jul 8, 2015 01:03
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pretty sure we're going to have to change the way the human brain works to figure this one out just talk to every dick boss like he's 5 and you caught him playing with matches if you want to get on our level
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Jul 8, 2015 01:08
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Women should talk like men
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Jul 8, 2015 01:12
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Ocean Book posted:i looked into it and it wasnt hard to find out what it is WOw, ty. Thant was very informative. I guess now that I know what it is I think that it doesn't sound intrinsically dumb or anything. People who don't like it are just misogynist/sexist I think.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:15
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Well I don't know about all this female speech habit stuff but vocal fry is what your vocal cords do when you try to produce a pitch that's too low for them. Sing the lowest note you can, then try to keep going lower than that. The gravelly groan you get when you do that is called vocal fry. Maybe a lot of women think speaking low and gruff sounds good nowadays.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:16
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I have no idea what vocal fry is. This American Life did a piece on it with examples. I have no idea what the gently caress they were talking about.Ocean Book posted:i looked into it and it wasnt hard to find out what it is I don't get it still. Wulfolme posted:Well I don't know about all this female speech habit stuff but vocal fry is what your vocal cords do when you try to produce a pitch that's too low for them. Sing the lowest note you can, then try to keep going lower than that. The gravelly groan you get when you do that is called vocal fry. Why was there a word created for this.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:19
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Hellsau posted:Why was there a word created for this. It's a term from the singing world and it's actually called for by name in some choral music.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:24
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An extremely non-technical explanation: Vocal fry is the lowest range of pitches you can produce. It often sounds creaky, which is why it's also known as "creaky voice." Creaky voice is formally used in some languages for certain words. Here is James Franco in some movie speaking in creaky voice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWI5_OkdiVY Absolute Lithops fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Jul 8, 2015 01:26
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECUIYKlvUb4
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Jul 8, 2015 01:27
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If anything it makes them sound like stoners.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:31
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like the dunmer in morrowind
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Jul 8, 2015 01:32
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how giant of a stick must be up your rear end to be bothered by it
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Jul 8, 2015 01:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47HgrBeg1t8
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Jul 8, 2015 01:32
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Feminition posted:how giant of a stick must be up your rear end to be bothered by it 
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Jul 8, 2015 01:33
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See that sounds nothing like the examples from that This American Life. If they just said "sounds like a Dunmer" I'd have understood immediately and also disagreed immediately and known it was anti-woman bullshit to start with.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:52
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That piece of poo poo Ira Glass needs to begin using video game references or risk losing mind share among that part of his audience with disposable income. I'm the one the so-called "underwriters" are targeting.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:17
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WHY WOMEN NO TALK DEEP??
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Jul 8, 2015 02:19
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how is the vocal fry thing anti women. just because its mostly attributed to women doesnt mean its not stupid
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Jul 8, 2015 02:24
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Haverchuck posted:how is the vocal fry thing anti women. just because its mostly attributed to women doesnt mean its not stupid you're stupid but every media outlet in the nation doesn't feel the need to write a thinkpiece about it
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Jul 8, 2015 02:29
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Vocal fry is an extremely funny meme that points out some dumb poo poo that no one ever noticed before but now everyone screams and cries in their pants every time they hear it.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:32
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:you're stupid but every media outlet in the nation doesn't feel the need to write a thinkpiece about it me being stupid is no news, but vocal fry as a concept is unfamiliar to many people, including the op. I always thought it was a little grating but not enough to come up with a name for it. sorry about writing all those articles by the way
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Jul 8, 2015 02:34
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Feminition posted:how giant of a stick must be up your rear end to be bothered by it LOL seriously. Get it together folks
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Jul 8, 2015 02:36
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Haverchuck posted:how is the vocal fry thing anti women. just because its mostly attributed to women doesnt mean its not stupid Can you (or anyone) say what's bad or dumb about it without referring to the fact that mainly women do it?
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Jul 8, 2015 02:36
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its a conspiracy to make men more attracted to lower tones sso unconsciously so when the reptitles reveal themselves they can more easily seduce men with theyre hypnotic vocalities
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Jul 8, 2015 02:37
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vocal "fry", think about it, what else has "fries"? baby fishes, fish are also scaly with codl blood......... read between the lines
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Jul 8, 2015 02:38
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POWERBALL posted:Can you (or anyone) say what's bad or dumb about it without referring to the fact that mainly women do it?
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Jul 8, 2015 02:39
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POWERBALL posted:Can you (or anyone) say what's bad or dumb about it without referring to the fact that mainly women do it? it sucks when men do it too. i dont think its exclusive to women but when have internet writers passed up an opportunity to take a shot at an easy target like kim kardashian
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Jul 8, 2015 02:40
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Jul 8, 2015 02:49
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Jul 8, 2015 02:52
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The problem isn't with women saying "just" a lot it's with them nagging all the time Amirite fellas?
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Jul 8, 2015 02:52
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I like Lake Bell but this seems pretty anti-feminist :\
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Jul 8, 2015 02:53
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what the gently caress is vocal fry
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Jul 8, 2015 02:56
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I've had to learn too many goddamn weird words because of the Internet and now there's another one? loving millennials are poo poo, this has to be their fault
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Jul 8, 2015 02:57
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Millennials lackin real problems so they have to invent phrases to criticize people
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Jul 8, 2015 03:03
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POWERBALL posted:Can you (or anyone) say what's bad or dumb about it without referring to the fact that mainly women do it? I don't think it's mainly women who use vocal fry (sorry for referring to that). In countries like the US and UK, men and boys usually use a deeper pitch when talking to someone they're socially "distant" from (eg a stranger, a boss). The greater the distance, the more the pitch is deepened. Women and girls usually do the opposite, raising their pitch according to social distance. Now, supposedly, there's a trend of young women deepening their voices like men and boys usually do. It's dumb to assume that women who deepen their voices are trying to sound more authoritative. Lauren Bacall was trained to speak in a low, husky pitch to sound sexy. Some women are self conscious about their voices sounding too childlike, and others are expressing a butch identity. I'm sure there are many other reasons, too. Absolute Lithops fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Jul 8, 2015 03:19
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Absolute Lithops posted:It's dumb because it's about the Kardashians, it takes (stereotypical) men's speech as normative, and it's probably based on shoddy, anecdote-based "research." to me it doesnt sound like a change in tone at all but just allowing ones voice to slow to a dry croak at the end of a sentence. im not convinced subconscious tonal shifts play into it
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Jul 8, 2015 03:27
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jesus gently caress who cares. if you even make a conscious note of this poo poo in conversations please kill yourself you are loving demented and humanity should not have to suffer you a second longer.
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