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Why in the gently caress don't you get detained for this, considering how retarded this country is for border security you'd think some idiot refusing to answer questions would be grounds for it the taser video was funny as gently caress and always will be, this video is just annoying and makes me really sympathetic with the border cops that had to deal with that e. yeah yeah I'm guessing the answer is basically what the idiot(s) in the video were saying, hurghhh duhhh constitution and MY RIGHTS
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Sovcits make me feel like we life in a cyber punk future. Not because of technology ("it's uploaded to the cloud, you know?"), but because there's a group of people with a very alien mindset that's radically opposed to the government. There's a bunch of people like that in Germany too, but it is mostly disgruntled older people. America really has the best sovcits.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 10:27 |
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Code Jockey posted:Why in the gently caress don't you get detained for this, considering how retarded this country is for border security you'd think some idiot refusing to answer questions would be grounds for it they're border checkpoints but also not really
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 10:35 |
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Onkel Hedwig posted:There's a bunch of people like that in Germany too, but it is mostly disgruntled older people. America really has the best sovcits. I'm a barrister in Hong Kong. There's a service performed by the office of the Duty Lawyer called the Free Legal Advice Scheme (as distinct from regular Duty Lawyer hours, which you get paid for). Basically you sit in a little office in Wan Chai where the poorest and most vulnerable come to you for what rapid advice you can give. You'll handle about 20 cases in an evening. The cases run the gamut... often it's family or probate matters... sometimes it's something more serious in which case the best (only) advice you can give is to report the matter to the police. Two weeks ago a Canadian client came in. He'd been arrested for careless driving. After an hour of rambling - along the same lines of what I've seen now in these videos - he left disappointed that I wasn't able to get the police to magically drop the charges. His parting words were "I'll just represent myself then!". Buddy, best of luck. That said, you took up an hour of my time complaining about trivial bullshit. That's fine, as a barrister most of the time you're dealing with trivial bullshit. What's still pissing me off today is that most people wait up to a month to get an appointment for free legal advice, and ten people were turned away so you could go on your stupid spiel about sovereign rights. gently caress you, and please try the same poo poo on the magistrate.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 10:47 |
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Crazyeyes posted:I love sovereign citizen threads. That said listening to man-children scream as they are tased/beaten/arrested makes me very uncomfortable. Keep clicking the youtube links itt, your discomfort will become laughter.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 12:11 |
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Just found a great repository for this poo poo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Sovereigncitizen/
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 17:17 |
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One of the most self-incriminating things you can do is plead the fifth at the wrong time Cop: What's your name? Retard: I PLEAD THE FIFTH Cop: Uh...
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 17:25 |
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Onkel Hedwig posted:There's a bunch of people like that in Germany too, but it is mostly disgruntled older people. America really has the best sovcits. Are you talking about autonoms? I remember that they were huge during the '80s. They were pretty much anti-authoritarian Marxists who squatted whole blocks, pretty much invented the term "Black Bloc" and took over a couple neighborhoods in Berlin after throwing out the police. I can see why they're disgruntled now, because Kreuzberg has become somewhat gentrified.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 17:25 |
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Didn't a sovereign citizen end up shooting a few police officers a few years ago?
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 17:56 |
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Didn't a sovereign citizen end up shooting a few police officers a few years ago? Yeah. I know a police officer and he hates the freemen on the land/sovereign citizens because there are a few of them that are willing to go that extra step and really stake a claim at sovereignty like they were a nation. You'd think some might have at least reached out to someone to acknowledge their statehood. Have the Iranian embassy in located in what you and I might just call the basement of some dude's house. I guess most of them are aware that a real uprising like that has the potential to involve the military, and when your entire standing army is you, maybe you don't want to poke the bear quite so directly. Or maybe just nobody has told them yet and we can soon look forward to YouTube videos of soldiers "brushing aside" someone that calls himself the King of this 40 Acres.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 18:03 |
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Antifreeze Head posted:Yeah. I know a police officer and he hates the freemen on the land/sovereign citizens because there are a few of them that are willing to go that extra step and really stake a claim at sovereignty like they were a nation. thats the critical point where sovereign citizen logic fails. you can not escape laws, you ether follow the laws of society, or the law of the jungle comes into effect. i hope you have the biggest claws
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 18:13 |
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waht is a sovereign citizen like what is .. a sovereign citizen i dont understand ar ethey just people who wanna be ab ove the law?
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 18:15 |
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Ahundredbux posted:waht is a sovereign citizen Yes. And they also think the law is wrong and harms and fools the citizens by *mumble mumble mumble*
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 18:17 |
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and they consider lawlessness to not be criminal but immunity to the law of the country they are in even though they have nothing to enforce their claims with or what
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i mean it feels like a total lack of understanding of how a society works soemthing I learned as a child ??
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 18:19 |
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Basically if there is something you want and what you want is illegal, if you say the magic words "I DO NOT CONSENT" or "THAT FLAG HAS A GOLD FRINGE" then you can have what you want anyway, whether the thing you want is to avoid paying for a fishing license or vehicle registration or to drive while high or to steal someone else's house. e: "Debt elimination" schemes and Accepted for Value are closely related and are also hilarious and fun to read about : http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/A4V
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quote:i have reason to believe that crime is afoot i want that cop in my neighborhood
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 19:24 |
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Ahundredbux posted:waht is a sovereign citizen As I said the details and flavors vary from group to group but that's usually the bedrock.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 19:37 |
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A lot of sovereign citizens sound like cargo-cult lawyers to me. It's like, normal people realize that lawyers do their jobs by being familiar with technicalities, legal precedence, and being skilled at arguing/debating. But sovereign citizens, for whatever reason (poor education, wishful thinking, mental illness, etc.), think that lawyers use what amounts to ritual magic to bend the law to their will. So all of this poo poo like not consenting, or pointing out the gold fringe on a flag, is their way of aping that 'lawyer magic'. Is that a thing in sovereign citizen circles? Treating the law as something that can only be mastered through secret knowledge? I wouldn't be surprised if they have elaborate theories about how law was invented by the Illuminati or some horseshit like that.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 19:45 |
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Hobologist posted:Basically. If minorities have trouble with the police they should try being more white. there are a lot of black sovs/freemen actually
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Tupperwarez posted:Is that a thing in sovereign citizen circles? Treating the law as something that can only be mastered through secret knowledge? I wouldn't be surprised if they have elaborate theories about how law was invented by the Illuminati or some horseshit like that. It's kinda cargo cult in that a bunch of schizophrenics wrote rambling interpretations of the law and a bunch of con men took those ramblings and re-wrote it to make it tolerable enough for dissatisfied and mystified people take it as the truth because it's just arcane enough and promises just enough to be tempting.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 20:08 |
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Tupperwarez posted:A lot of sovereign citizens sound like cargo-cult lawyers to me. one thing I know for sure about lawyers is that they make up their own laws and rarely utilize precedence so thats what im gonna do to when those dump coppers try to bust me !!
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 20:49 |
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Where do their ideas that they can squat on other peoples property and take it over or charge people money for frivolous things come from?
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ColoradoCleric posted:Where do their ideas that they can squat on other peoples property and take it over or charge people money for frivolous things come from? squatters rights is an actual thing. If you pay property tax for long enough without the owner evicting you the property becomes yours. This happens a lot in CA, especially with foreclosed homes WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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ColoradoCleric posted:Where do their ideas that they can squat on other peoples property and take it over or charge people money for frivolous things come from? Edit: LeoMarr please don't confuse actual law with what these people think they're doing. They sure aren't going to be paying property tax. Darkhold fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jul 18, 2015 |
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Darkhold posted:By separating their corporate self from their flesh and blood self. Flesh and blood me just happens to be living here. Go bug the corporate me for payment. Oh and corporate me is owed some money by the government because they took out a savings bond on my life when I was 'berthed' so you can collect against that. he asked where the squatters thing comes from, of course those squatters dont actually pay property tax and just think sitting there will gain ownership like its King of the Hill in Halo 3.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 20:58 |
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ColoradoCleric posted:Where do their ideas that they can squat on other peoples property and take it over or charge people money for frivolous things come from? 200 years of the federal government doing just that
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LeoMarr posted:he asked where the squatters thing comes from, of course those squatters dont actually pay property tax and just think sitting there will gain ownership like its King of the Hill in Halo 3.
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# ? Jul 18, 2015 21:02 |
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Darkhold posted:Yeah but they don't think they're gaining squatters rights in the slightest. They think they've tricked the system into offloading all their debts to a fictional creature while they get to keep the assets. They didn't read squatters rights and go off on a tangent they just made up 'free money from the government' and use that to pay for things. lmfao
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DeusExMachinima posted:but we're not living in a third world country duder. lol
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Tupperwarez posted:A lot of sovereign citizens sound like cargo-cult lawyers to me. It really is. If you hear them talk about lawyers, usually derisively, they view them as if they were some sort of nobility. Darkhold posted:By separating their corporate self from their flesh and blood self. Flesh and blood me just happens to be living here. Go bug the corporate me for payment. Oh and corporate me is owed some money by the government because they took out a savings bond on my life when I was 'berthed' so you can collect against that. The thing is that you can incorporate yourself or put all your financial dealings through a corporation so when the tax man comes, you technically don't have assets for them to collect, it's all the corporations. Or the corporation was operating at a loss, so no taxes this year from both me and my paper me. This was the gist behind John Kerry bringing up that George W. Bush was a timber concern during the 2004 election debates. The difference is that it takes money and lawyers to do this. It doesn't matter if you're a Moor or a Freeman of the Land, you don't have the proper notorized filing and paid fees to claim your a corporation or the legal acumen of James Bakker behind you.
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Rutibex posted:200 years of the federal government doing just that v. hot take
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# ? Jul 19, 2015 00:14 |
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Blood and Chrome was great.
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# ? Jul 19, 2015 00:34 |
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Didn't a sovereign citizen end up shooting a few police officers a few years ago? People operating under the sovereign citizen mindset have fired on and killed officers in the past, which is part of the reason why they are classified as domestic terrorists by the FBI. Many of the shootings occur when the SovCit is pulled over for a traffic offense, some extremists believe that as a SovCit the have the ability to travel unimpeded by "false arrests" and that such false arrests can be combated with lethal force. They also do less lethal things like file liens against the homes of sheriffs, police officers, and court personnel, leading to the inability to sell homes without going into court and clearing the unfounded lien. We had a SovCit case come through the court I was working in and we were advised to get some type of identity theft protection because of the liens and identity theft risks. blargruck fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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lol first result on google when looking up "Fake Liens" http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/us/citizens-without-a-country-wage-battle-with-liens.html?referrer=&_r=0
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Young Freud posted:The thing is that you can incorporate yourself or put all your financial dealings through a corporation so when the tax man comes, you technically don't have assets for them to collect, it's all the corporations. Or the corporation was operating at a loss, so no taxes this year from both me and my paper me. This was the gist behind John Kerry bringing up that George W. Bush was a timber concern during the 2004 election debates. No no, the big thing with "corporate self" moon logic is that this separation has already been done for you without your consent. Usually the form that Satan takes is your Social Security Number AKA your "incorporation number" or variations on the same. As you never consented to this you can freely opt out of it and all debts and legal responsibilities are nullified. http://understandcontractlawandyouwin.com/a4v/ quote:THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE ESTATE The best part of these dudes is how they poo poo all over each other when it doesn't work, the others get all smug "you did it wrong lol noob "
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Flesh Forge posted:No no, the big thing with "corporate self" moon logic is that this separation has already been done for you without your consent. Usually the form that Satan takes is your Social Security Number AKA your "incorporation number" or variations on the same. As you never consented to this you can freely opt out of it and all debts and legal responsibilities are nullified. but i'm gay
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# ? Jul 19, 2015 01:39 |
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Are you sure your gay, maybe you're corporate self is actually the gay one
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# ? Jul 19, 2015 01:40 |
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Are there videos of people telling the cops they dont understand and refusing to give the cops their info and what not and the cops letting htem go? Idont understand why they think this poo poo should work
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blargruck posted:They also do less lethal things like file liens against the homes of sheriffs, police officers, and court personnel, leading to the inability to sell homes without going into court and clearing the unfounded lien. Or just, y'know, random people and old ladies and poo poo http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/12/09/sovereign-fail-man-indicted-in-cincinatti-for-stealing-houses/ http://www.cobbcounty.org/index.php...=281&Itemid=449 https://vimeo.com/35657409 e: ps yes they are a bit black in the last story Madcosby posted:Are there videos of people telling the cops they dont understand and refusing to give the cops their info and what not and the cops letting htem go? Idont understand why they think this poo poo should work I've only seen like two where they're not thrown under the jail and that's when they've actually complied although when they post their dumb youtube vids they say "LOL SOVEREIGN OWNS POLICE" Flesh Forge fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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