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crabcakes66 posted:Communism is the nonexistent pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And that rainbow is made of dead bodies.  I would agree that China, et al are an excellent example of modern communism though. You see, communism and actual socialism can't work because of human nature and human nature continues to exist in the subsequent capitalist system that always replaces them so ergo by the commutative property
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DeusExMachinima posted:
You know there's this wonderful place called Sweden.
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Crowsbeak posted:You know there's this wonderful place called Sweden. Sweden is a capitalist country with a large welfare state. It seems to work pretty well.
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crabcakes66 posted:Sweden is a capitalist country with a large welfare state. It seems to work pretty well. Yes, but they are a failed capitalist state because they won't give me a commissar's uniform and a handgun so I can finally kill all the enemies of the proletariat, especially Steve from highschool loving Steve I hate you so much anime is actually very grown up don't make fun of me you loving bully all the girls are laughing at me I swear one day I will be a very important man and I will have my revenge
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DeusExMachinima posted:
I love this idea of the solidly defined, fixed human nature, which transcends all history and every known society, despite all evidence to the contrary. The idea that all human beings all secretly have the same personality, and if they try to do something good, then they'll transform involuntarily like a werewolf on a full moon. "Free will doesn't exist, so it's okay I'm a shitpile and also so are you secretly". 3edgy5me bro
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DeusExMachinima posted:Hrm. Quick question for everyone else: which country would you rather be oppressed in, China or America? America of course, but I would hold a country that labels itself as a paragon of human rights to a very high standard which we are increasingly lowering in the name of counter terrorism and a security state. It is hypocrisy of the highest order, yes the degrees are different but the motivation is the same, the intelligence community just hasn't moved the overton window far enough to get away with it. Moreover, America is absilutely comparable when it comes to oppressing people outside of America, see CIA black sites and torture, which we only know about a fraction of. America's love of freedom is increasingly an illusion, a propaganda tool.
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Jul 19, 2015 01:32
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Mandy Thompson posted:America of course Also nobody in China has ever been racist because there is only one Chinese race and everyone else is a worse than dog mudman fit only for slaughter or salt mines. Hail Mao.
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HorseLord posted:I love this idea of the solidly defined, fixed human nature, which transcends all history and every known society, despite all evidence to the contrary. The idea that all human beings all secretly have the same personality, and if they try to do something good, then they'll transform involuntarily like a werewolf on a full moon. "Free will doesn't exist, so it's okay I'm a shitpile and also so are you secretly". 3edgy5me bro Yeah if we could like, just get like 7 billion people to hold hands and have a drum circle man. Like things would be so cool dude. crabcakes66 fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 01:41
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Yes you see by virtue of the black president but also racism transitive principal America is the Great Satan. The CPC was fraternal with the Black Panthers.
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Jul 19, 2015 01:48
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Mandy Thompson posted:America of course, but I would hold a country that labels itself as a paragon of human rights to a very high standard which we are increasingly lowering in the name of counter terrorism and a security state. It is hypocrisy of the highest order, yes the degrees are different but the motivation is the same, the intelligence community just hasn't moved the overton window far enough to get away with it. Moreover, America is absilutely comparable when it comes to oppressing people outside of America, see CIA black sites and torture, which we only know about a fraction of. America's love of freedom is increasingly an illusion, a propaganda tool. The US is held to a higher standard, which is why people make more forum threads making GBS threads on the US than they do on China despite the latter being far worse. Nigh constant self-reflection and perpetual self-criticism is one of America's stealth strengths.
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HorseLord posted:The CPC was fraternal with the Black Panthers. Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Jul 19, 2015 01:53
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Fojar38 posted:The US is held to a higher standard, which is why people make more forum threads making GBS threads on the US than they do on China despite the latter being far worse. In america, Individual citizens grasping no power to change what they criticize are left alone, but this does not mean America as a state has effective self criticism or self reflection. Just that it's useless and might as well not exist. Incidents where people critical of the system began to gain power are always ended with three letter agency subversion and assassination. And no, China isn't "worse". China doesn't play the middle east and latin america like a game of risk.
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Instead China plays south-east and central asia like a game of risk, and latin america and africa like ye olde time colonialism except with less grand narrative of "uplifting" and more exploitative extraction.
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SorcerousHam posted:Instead China plays south-east and central asia like a game of risk, and latin america and africa like ye olde time colonialism except with less grand narrative of "uplifting" and more exploitative extraction. Hello alternate universe.
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Jul 19, 2015 02:28
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HorseLord posted:And no, China isn't "worse". Counterpoint: Yes they are.
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HorseLord posted:In america, Individual citizens grasping no power to change what they criticize are left alone, but this does not mean America as a state has effective self criticism or self reflection. Just that it's useless and might as well not exist. Incidents where people critical of the system began to gain power are always ended with three letter agency subversion and assassination. Tell me about when someone who was critical of the system began to gain power in the US and was assassinated by the CIA.
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I know that you're basically the forum's Stalinist version of MIGF, but since this is D&D... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dotted_line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_Autonomous_Region Plus any number of news articles regarding China's exploitation of Africa (employ Chinese only, take the resources, bribe the politicians), and their current intent to do the same with the parts of Latin America that will let them in (see as reference their idea for another Panama Canal style construction through central america which will employ mostly Chinese people to trash a huge amount of land, for no benefit to the locals, because they bribed the right people).
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Jul 19, 2015 02:36
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Fojar38 posted:Tell me about when someone who was critical of the system began to gain power in the US and was assassinated by the CIA. FBI, but, Martin Luther King jr. They'd been trying for years before they actually did it to get him dead by other means, including at one point writing a letter purportedly from another civil rights activist suggesting he should kill himself. SorcerousHam posted:Plus any number of news articles regarding China's exploitation of Africa (employ Chinese only How do you know that this is true? Certainly if the Chinese are so awful, they'd hire the cheaper local african labour?
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HorseLord posted:FBI, but, Martin Luther King jr. Okay so sending threatening letters = assassination? Unless you believe that James Earl Ray was a government agent/Loyd Jowers' testimony is reliable. I mean yeah, sending those letters was dispicable and a definite low point in the history of the US government but comparing it to the assassination of political rivals you saw in places like the USSR and PRC is laughable.
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Jul 19, 2015 02:50
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crabcakes66 posted:Yeah if we could like, just get like 7 billion people to hold hands and have a drum circle man. Like things would be so cool dude. I would love if this could happen. Drum circles are cool, and people being nice to each other is good for everyone. I am sick to death of hearing on the news about some autonomous body like a nation or other organised group causing the displacement, internment, or death of civilians.
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klen dool posted:I would love if this could happen. Drum circles are cool, and people being nice to each other is good for everyone. I am sick to death of hearing on the news about some autonomous body like a nation or other organised group causing the displacement, internment, or death of civilians. Who is going to till the fields to feed us if we are all sitting in a drum circle?
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Jul 19, 2015 02:55
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Fojar38 posted:Okay so sending threatening letters = assassination? Unless you believe that James Earl Ray was a government agent/Loyd Jowers' testimony is reliable. If it's good enough for your yankee court it's good enough for you. And yeah, there's plenty more on the USA assassination pile, you're quite fond of some very interesting methods of "diplomatic relations".
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HorseLord posted:If it's good enough for your yankee court it's good enough for you. And yeah, there's plenty more on the USA assassination pile, you're quite fond of some very interesting methods of "diplomatic relations". A) I'm not American B) Pretty sure James Earl Ray was convicted.
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DeusExMachinima posted:
this thread is dumb enough to begin with we don't need you and horselord piling into it
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crabcakes66 posted:Counterpoint: Yes they are. The thing you're not getting is that in China, due to a legal technicality, people don't own land. See how that makes everything better?
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icantfindaname posted:this thread is dumb enough to begin with we don't need you and horselord piling into it on a scale from 1 to Kenya, how high would you say your communist sympathies are? e: also china really unironically is a prime example of how communism progresses, d/w/i DeusExMachinima fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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HorseLord posted:FBI, but, Martin Luther King jr. I remember the X files episode where the cancer guy killed MLK.
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asdf32 posted:The thing you're not getting is that in China, due to a legal technicality, people don't own land. See how that makes everything better? Forums poster asdf32 has arrived! I remember you from the marxism thread, where you'd argue against things you had no knowledge of in a circular fashion for tens upon tens of pages.
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DeusExMachinima posted:You see, communism and actual socialism can't work because of human nature and *champagne flute crashes to ground* *awkward silence*
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Jul 19, 2015 07:33
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China builds roads, railways, schools and hospitals in Africa, in return for access to resources. America installed and propped dictators in Africa in turn for access to resources. The chinese are svelte, beautiful, and have a rich, ancient culture, history and language. Teh americans are fat, ugly, pasty hamlords with no trace of culture, history or even a language of their own. There's no contest really. China rules, America drools. Ciao.
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3peat posted:China builds roads, railways, schools and hospitals in Africa, in return for access to resources. Yeah but they poop in the street.
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3peat posted:China builds roads, railways, schools and hospitals in Africa, in return for access to resources. So did Belgium.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Yeah but they poop in the street. People who think Americans are crass, disgusting people would do well to read up on the Chinese. In a century when China is the new global hegemonic power people will wistfully dream of the good old days of American cultural imperialism.
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The US doesn't need to take over the world with military power, we do it with McDonalds instead. 
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3peat posted:China builds roads, railways, schools and hospitals in Africa, in return for access to resources. Rent-A-Cop posted:Yeah but they poop in the street. Checkmate.
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Fojar38 posted:Who is going to till the fields to feed us if we are all sitting in a drum circle? Farmers?
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3peat posted:China builds roads, railways, schools and hospitals in Africa, in return for access to resources. European imperialists did the same thing too. Weird how we don't get any praise for it though. HorseLord posted:I love this idea of the solidly defined, fixed human nature, which transcends all history and every known society, despite all evidence to the contrary. The idea that all human beings all secretly have the same personality, and if they try to do something good, then they'll transform involuntarily like a werewolf on a full moon. "Free will doesn't exist, so it's okay I'm a shitpile and also so are you secretly". 3edgy5me bro Why do you disagree about a universal human nature? "The history of all hitherto existing societies is the history of class struggle" - it's right there on page one. It is you who say it, and impose those 19th-century European social theories onto others. kapparomeo fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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Wheeee posted:People who think Americans are crass, disgusting people would do well to read up on the Chinese. china's not going to be hegemon of anything except its immediate neighbors. the US is as politically and economically dominant today over the rest of the world as it has ever been, and it looks like that will actually increase in the short to medium term future icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 09:45 on Jul 19, 2015 |
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The take away from this is not whether or not China is worse than the US or that the US is equal to China but rather then presuming to tell other countries how to do things, we should consider what is happening in our own backyard. Another reason to hold America to a high standard is that I live here. As is said in the bible, "Physician, heal yourself."
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B-but it's so hard being white! Waaaaaagh!