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Who What Now posted:I wield power every time I turn on a light switch. You don't exist
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CommieGIR posted:God is simply the laws of nature. Nothing more. those would be God's laws...perfect and unbreakable God is the entirety of the physical universe, including the nonpphysical by-product of individual awareness. Religion is just a social power structure which includes a psychological safety net woven of practical wisdom embellished with fantasies, to give the fantasies social currency. but, gently caress religion and religious idiots in the same way that the world fucks me because I suck at math.
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Oct 19, 2015 14:56
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Who What Now posted:Unless you have an actual idea of how to accomplish inverting society's power structures then all this is is a load of meaningless, pompous, and most of all useless bullshit. We already know what needs to be done so needlessly dressing up the message in Jesus terms doesn't help in the slightest. So great job, Brandor, you've independently came to the same conclusions political activists did more than half a century ago. Which political activists would those be?
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Oct 19, 2015 15:36
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SedanChair posted:Which political activists would those be? Anarcho-Communists, I'd imagine, what with the whole "overthrow the powerful at the top(the capitalists and bourgeoisie classes) and love your neighbor as your brother (in a stateless cooperative society)" thing. Unless Brandor isn't talking about inverting power and instead only means that the powerful need to be replaced with Jesus. Which would be much more akin to Stalinist Communism, being based around a cult of personality of a man of humble beginnings (the son of a cobbler vs the son of a carpenter) and the message of mutual cooperation for the benefit of the greater good (and the party/church most of all) that says it's going to change everything but in reality changes very little.
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Oct 19, 2015 15:58
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Who What Now posted:Anarcho-Communists, I'd imagine, what with the whole "overthrow the powerful at the top(the capitalists and bourgeoisie classes) and love your neighbor as your brother (in a stateless cooperative society)" thing. Unless Brandor isn't talking about inverting power and instead only means that the powerful need to be replaced with Jesus. Which would be much more akin to Stalinist Communism, being based around a cult of personality of a man of humble beginnings (the son of a cobbler vs the son of a carpenter) and the message of mutual cooperation for the benefit of the greater good (and the party/church most of all) that says it's going to change everything but in reality changes very little. I don't think we'd be talking about "the powerful vs." at all if it wasn't for Jesus.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:17
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SedanChair posted:I don't think we'd be talking about "the powerful vs." at all if it wasn't for Jesus. What? There are plenty of stories about a humble, weak person standing against the powerful. Just in the Bible alone there is David and Goliath or Moses (ok, Moses wasn't very humble a lot of the time) vs the pharaoh. Jesus was hardly the first underdog in human history.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:43
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Who What Now posted:What? There are plenty of stories about a humble, weak person standing against the powerful. Just in the Bible alone there is David and Goliath or Moses (ok, Moses wasn't very humble a lot of the time) vs the pharaoh. Jesus was hardly the first underdog in human history. Nobody just lays it out like John the Baptist and Jesus though. Like, John the Baptist was literally the first anarcho-communist
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Oct 19, 2015 18:50
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Maybe. I'm not familiar enough with non-abrahamic faiths to be confident making that claim, though.
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Oct 19, 2015 19:43
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SedanChair posted:Nobody just lays it out like John the Baptist and Jesus though. Like, John the Baptist was literally the first anarcho-communist Would that make Jesus a statist?
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Oct 20, 2015 13:41
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SedanChair posted:I don't think we'd be talking about "the powerful vs." at all if it wasn't for Jesus. But what is interesting is the satirical aspect. In early religions (and many religions of today), favor for the gods is demonstrated by worldly success. If the harvests were bad, you didn't pray hard enough. The satire of the gospels is that you have this guy who matches previous Jewish prophecies about what the prophet will be, is incorruptible and can demonstrate magical ability - who is then murdered. The implicit message is that every prophet, that has ever existed or will exist, must be false, because society is incapable of recognizing or empowering the righteous. So, in other words, punishment/favor isn't granted in this world by being bad/good, poo poo just happens. But none of that matters, because myth is ideology, so you don't see that reading anywhere. rudatron fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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Oct 20, 2015 14:34
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Who What Now posted:What? There are plenty of stories about a humble, weak person standing against the powerful. Just in the Bible alone there is David and Goliath or Moses (ok, Moses wasn't very humble a lot of the time) vs the pharaoh. Jesus was hardly the first underdog in human history. Prometheus fights the gods themselves because he believes that they are unjust.
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Oct 20, 2015 18:47
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I am god. Ask me anything.
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Oct 20, 2015 22:57
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Why are you so lovely at your job?
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Oct 21, 2015 01:30
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rudatron posted:I don't think that's true, that antagonism existed well before any of this is supposed to happen. It is very likely that the crucifixion is for satirical act of the triumphant entry. In early Christianity the favor of God is often demonstrated by martyrdom. You see people looking forward to it. It's not "poo poo just happens". It's the better more Godly you are the shittier the poo poo that happens is. Society recognizes the righteous, it just murders them. The inversion is that this (their death) empowers them and advances what they stood for. And the gospels are being written by people whose dreams (of a renewed Israel) are being utterly crushed. Rome kicking the poo poo out of them prompts the writing of the gospels. Who What Now posted:Unless you have an actual idea of how to accomplish inverting society's power structures then all this is is a load of meaningless, pompous, and most of all useless bullshit. Well there is that matter of that example written about that one guy. For the life of me I can't think of it.
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Oct 21, 2015 05:25
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BrandorKP posted:Well there is that matter of that example written about that one guy. For the life of me I can't think of it. Yeah, "get yourself executed by the state" seems like a really lovely plan to me.
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Oct 21, 2015 14:44
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Who What Now posted:Why are you so lovely at your job? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8N1RU71MMk
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Oct 21, 2015 14:50
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Who What Now posted:Yeah, "get yourself executed by the state" seems like a really lovely plan to me. Say that we should protest just to get arrested That goes against all my hustling ethics A bunch of jail niggas say its highly ineffective
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Oct 21, 2015 21:19
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Trent posted:Is it later yet?  I really should have phrased that better. Judge thee who are prepared to be judged yourself. The irony is not lost on me. At least the discussion has moved on from analytical philosophy. Quift fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Oct 27, 2015 12:18
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I present for your consideration a fantastic debate between a Muslim scholar and an atheist scientist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58AkHPRMsM I found this so fascinating because I've watched a lot of atheists debate Christians while I personally am a Christian I've found their performance in these debates to be lacking. I can admit when someone I ultimately agree with has lost a debate. I love debate and well reasoned arguments and philosophy and all that, unfortunately many Christians who like to debate are lifelong believers who seem to have not really considered the skeptical position. Anyway, the title of the debate oddly enough seems to suggest the atheist guy won but I got the opposite impression. I found the Muslim guy had way better arguments, seemed to think about all of this stuff way more deeply, and clearly was speaking from a good place while the atheist looked flustered and mad and incredibly condescending and disrespectful. This is very long but very fascinating. Of course I started the video agreeing with 90% of what the Muslim was saying anyway, so that may color how I viewed it. For the non-believers in is thread who find religious arguments to be weak, consider this debate.
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Jan 8, 2016 23:15
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Exactly what part did you find compelling, because the bits I saw was fine for Krauss, and 2hrs is a...bit long to deal with a subject without much depth to it really.
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Jan 9, 2016 03:01
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rudatron posted:Exactly what part did you find compelling, because the bits I saw was fine for Krauss, and 2hrs is a...bit long to deal with a subject without much depth to it really.
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Jan 9, 2016 03:19
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It was fascinating to see an obviously intelligent atheist behave like he was being schlonged in a debate he expected to be easy
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Jan 9, 2016 03:29
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Its been 15 pages, where did we land on this re: god
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Jan 9, 2016 03:44
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Fried Chicken posted:Its been 15 pages, where did we land on this re: god Turns out god is on the bus after all
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Jan 9, 2016 03:46
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Yep. Turns out he was here the whole time. He was just hiding behind the definition.
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Apr 15, 2016 23:25
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It'd be nice to think that there's something after death but it's probably just more debt, taxes and lines.
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Apr 15, 2016 23:31
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Quift posted:This is of course not true even in the trivial sense. It is much easier and way more fun to argue that they are all true. All of them. but when you post like this you look schizophrenic also your tulpa god isn't real
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Apr 16, 2016 14:32
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Spudd posted:It'd be nice to think that there's something after death but it's probably just more debt, taxes and lines. No, not in the crew-minded next-level, serving the true creator of the universe. Maybe if you get attached to a Luciferian being your mind/soul could persist in such a condition of service.
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Apr 16, 2016 14:48
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Thou art God. Discuss.
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Apr 27, 2016 16:58
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The Sun is God. Sources: (1) http://www.starlarvae.org/
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May 2, 2016 06:24
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SedanChair posted:Nobody just lays it out like John the Baptist and Jesus though. Like, John the Baptist was literally the first anarcho-communist  Come on dude, even for a D&D god thread this is some poo poo.
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fishmech posted:Turns out god is on the bus after all Tell him to get off. He's stinking up the place.
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