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The Taint Reaper posted:Yeah sure those people in greece, italy, Turkey, Spain, Ukraine, and other european hellholes that bought into the German Scheme of the Euro are certainly are living it up. none of those nations are social democracies, lol at norway or sweden or denmark or something
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I wish it was called doglaugh or furrydoglaugh and not just laugh..it is much more than a laugh.
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America is certainly a gently caress ton better off than a ton of other countries. gently caress we have states that are the size of other countries. Don't like a place? Just move to another state and it's an entirely different environment and you don't even need dual citizenship.
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personally i like markets sometimes id feel weird eating at a state-owned communal restaurant
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TEAYCHES posted:lmao america How's your cigar? Snipped and short?
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TEAYCHES posted:none of those nations are social democracies, lol at norway or sweden or denmark or something All those countries are going down the shitter.
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Fojar38 posted:personally i like markets sometimes how is that any different from a restaurant owned by yum! brands
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The Taint Reaper posted:All those countries are going down the shitter. Taint reaped!
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The Taint Reaper posted:All those countries are going down the shitter. no.. i dont believe you...... i wont be reaped
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TEAYCHES posted:no.. i dont believe you...... i wont be reaped Dude look at the Netherlands and all their issues with immigrants. Turns out an uncontrolled and unregulated population can't have sustainable social programs.
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TEAYCHES posted:how is that any different from a restaurant owned by yum! brands i rarely eat at restaurants owned by yum brands
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Jul 27, 2015 07:33
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TEAYCHES posted:labor is entitled to the wealth it creates
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Fojar38 posted:seize my means of reproduction op loving lol
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Jul 27, 2015 07:46
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But when the team of chinese factory workers put together the various circuit boards that make up a computer or a phone or whatever, its not wealth until marketing and design and branding get involved..just a hunk of silicon. The best we can probably do is employee owned companies, and I am not even sure how well those work. Basically the wealth gets created and increased in the modern industrial process, it's not innate from the start, just waiting for the loving touch of hordes of plebes. It has to get massaged into existence through various steps. Someone has to be the fall guy for the wealth to exist at all. Basically slave labor is good, if you want quality products. Propose another way. You can't have it both ways. It's iphone+servtitude or lesser product+some level of obligatory worker emancipation. Because someone has to create the value, labor doesn't create value by default. The way out is to cut the connection between labor and reward, which no one here has proposed yet, and I am not sure how it would be specifically possible. Cause i dont care about the revolution
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Hinduism had it right when they tried to get the poorest of wretched poors to be content with their existence. "It is your fate", they say. "Now clean my latrine, maggot". And all was right in the world
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Jul 27, 2015 07:57
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Hmmmm - no OP, I'd rather not. It's not my means to seize - I didn't buy it, I just use it in return for a paycheck! hth.
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When the miner finds a raw diamond in the mine and brings it back up, it's not wealth yet. Someone has to cut it, and then someone has to market and sell it. The price increases astronomically at every step. Basically "the workers are entitled to the wealth they create" is at best inaccurate and at worst impossible. Why should the gemcutter cut at all if the miner gets 50% or more of his potential proceeds. He knows the value he adds to the useless rock. Jeez i feel like milton friedman up in here. But its like, no one has heard this poo poo before??
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hmmmm i agree, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2JuxM-snGc op
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i hope i didn't miss this but did he admit that moderating capitalism will never work and if we're going to be idealists we might as well just imagine a new system that works in theory but not in practice too? what im asking for is some good communist literature, who's the most enjoyable and direct of them all? should i start reading some leon trotsky or did that guy get killed with an ice pick because his books sucked big time?
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extra stout posted:i hope i didn't miss this but did he admit that moderating capitalism will never work and if we're going to be idealists we might as well just imagine a new system that works in theory but not in practice too? Leon Trotsky is p good. How familiar with Marxism are you overall?
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extra stout posted:i hope i didn't miss this but did he admit that moderating capitalism will never work and if we're going to be idealists we might as well just imagine a new system that works in theory but not in practice too? Read raoul vaneigem's a revolution of everyday life and work backwards. Fall asleep reading das kapital and then join the moneygrubbing hordes once again.
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Jul 27, 2015 08:22
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when that google executive got killed on everest in the earthquake i was unironically glad he was dead lol
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Value is imagined in the boardroom, manifests in middle management and is enacted by the peons. When the peons annex the boardroom, value mysteriously evaporates. Basically CEOs aren't being paid enough.
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This article is relevant, although half of it is useless jargon. Or im just stupid http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jul/17/postcapitalism-end-of-capitalism-begun Anyway Marx was a very smart man, I never said he wasn't. But if you take the popular conception of his ideas and run with them, you'll end up dead in a ditch intellectually speaking. There i have used my post quota for this thread
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The Taint Reaper posted:America is certainly a gently caress ton better off than a ton of other countries. gently caress we have states that are the size of other countries. All of them suck except for a few parts of each state that are too expensive to actually live in
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Tiberius Thyben posted:Leon Trotsky is p good. How familiar with Marxism are you overall? familiar with it from a historical sense of failed movements, but i've ignored nearly all of it's texts to read less political stories of philosophy and fishermen and orcs and poo poo Tautologicus posted:Read raoul vaneigem's a revolution of everyday life and work backwards. Fall asleep reading das kapital and then join the moneygrubbing hordes once again. the summary of that book looks very good, but no plz do not encourage me to go to money grubbing before i give it a chance. do any authors acknowledge the death of independence and craft and suggest a return to ancient society rather than some new commie poo poo? should I read boethius immediately is what I'm asking
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Jul 27, 2015 09:52
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please dont just say walden pond or some other poo poo everyone knows by the time they're 19, and don't suggest a young guy who is alvie they loving suck at writing.
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Jul 27, 2015 09:56
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agree but fascism instead of communism
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Jul 27, 2015 09:58
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Jokes on you, op. Go ahead, seize all the capital. Anything that requires human labor will be outmoded in another 5 years. Forward thinking captains of industry are already investing in semi autonomous machines and programs that will render the flaw prone human worker obsolete. Your revolution is too late. Enjoy being the best buggy whip maker of the space age.
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Took your advice OP and I stole a factory that makes the doors for Toyota Corollas. Now what? I kind of want to move it soon it looks a little conspicuous in my car port.
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Jul 27, 2015 11:46
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you cant take a factory all by yourself hire some goons lord knows they want the work they just want pay
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Jul 27, 2015 11:50
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enter into a goonion with them
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Took your advice OP and I stole a factory that makes the doors for Toyota Corollas. Now what? I kind of want to move it soon it looks a little conspicuous in my car port. make doors I guess
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Jul 28, 2015 02:16
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ive seized the means of production my dick
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Dumbfire Rocketman posted:communism sucks Wrong, idiot!
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Did we get to the part about the guillotines yet? That's the part that gets me hard. (my dick)
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I don't want to OP
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I really enjoyed Bioshock as well.
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