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let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum
This is a real chicken and egg problem, idk. Were all these freaks out there before the Internet or are they just more visible because of it or were there like two of them before the Internet and then they multiplied without sex?

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TwoFire
Sep 11, 2001

by Ralp
yes

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum

I thought that might be the answer but are there more of them now?

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006

Aleuts rock, chummer.

jackyl posted:

I thought that might be the answer but are there more of them now?

Probably not, they're just easier to come in contact with.

TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

jackyl posted:

I thought that might be the answer but are there more of them now?

maybe but i think the larger factor is its easier for these ppl to find eachother and connect

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum

TEAYCHES posted:

maybe but i think the larger factor is its easier for these ppl to find eachother and connect

yeah with each other, sure, but you've been around for a while and now this poo poo makes cnn and the like which is hosed up and prompted my question

e: I seriously think that's been a recent development or maybe I'm an old

TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

jackyl posted:

yeah with each other, sure, but you've been around for a while and now this poo poo makes cnn and the like which is hosed up and prompted my question

thats more of a ratings thing and gawking imo than anything else. standards have lowered for what kind of sensational stupid poo poo you can put on tv

however i guess these things can have a snowball effect. communities exist that draw grotesque furry porn and that being as available as it is might draw in more ppl

TwoFire
Sep 11, 2001

by Ralp

jackyl posted:

I thought that might be the answer but are there more of them now?

how do you know this?

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum

TwoFire posted:

how do you know this?

if I knew I wouldn't ask the goddamnquestion

symbolic
Nov 2, 2014

it's probably both. the internet drew them out of the woodwork and allowed their causes/fetishes/etc. to spread.

TwoFire
Sep 11, 2001

by Ralp

jackyl posted:

if I knew I wouldn't ask the goddamnquestion

but you are making a thread about furries and you have a canine related moniker how could you NOT know?

let it mellow
Jun 1, 2000

Dinosaur Gum

TwoFire posted:

but you are making a thread about furries and you have a canine related moniker how could you NOT know?

I didn't know what furries were when i regged

Actuary X
Jul 20, 2007

Not really the best actuary in the world.
Ever see the move The Shining?

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
shockingly, furries predate the internet. theyr'e the reason some professional voice actors basically live in hiding now

TwoFire
Sep 11, 2001

by Ralp

jackyl posted:

I didn't know what furries were when i regged

word. :(:hf::(

January
Jul 5, 2009
I imagine there are many people who have entertained furrydom as a passing thought. If others weren't there to encourage them, they would probably go on to lead much more normal lives and only rarely think back to that time in middle school when they thought they might like to live life as a dog. That same person, given internet access, would now come to define himself as "furry", get involved in the community, etc. So maybe the percentage of potential furries is the same, but the number of people who actually become furries increased, and the same would be true for any of these groups (MRA, fat pride, whatever).

There are also probably some people who would never have thought of being an anthropomorphic animal but came across the concept on the internet, thought it was cool, and got involved that way. So the internet may be increasing the number of furries in that manner as well. Like some people have the natural inclination to become furries in isolation but some are converted? I can't believe I'm thinking about this.

TwoFire
Sep 11, 2001

by Ralp

January posted:

I imagine there are many people who have entertained furrydom as a passing thought. If others weren't there to encourage them, they would probably go on to lead much more normal lives and only rarely think back to that time in middle school when they thought they might like to live life as a dog. That same person, given internet access, would now come to define himself as "furry", get involved in the community, etc. So maybe the percentage of potential furries is the same, but the number of people who actually become furries increased, and the same would be true for any of these groups (MRA, fat pride, whatever).

There are also probably some people who would never have thought of being an anthropomorphic animal but came across the concept on the internet, thought it was cool, and got involved that way. So the internet may be increasing the number of furries in that manner as well. Like some people have the natural inclination to become furries in isolation but some are converted? I can't believe I'm thinking about this.

how many sonic games do you own

TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

its kind of like the gay agenda where we are now converting more people to the gay identity because people know that not only is it ok and acceptable, but its actually really hot

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

TEAYCHES posted:

its kind of like the gay agenda where we are now converting more people to the gay identity because people know that not only is it ok and acceptable, but its actually really hot

lol if you think weirdos like Jon Pop do anything to boost incel ranks

TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

Excelzior posted:

lol if you think weirdos like Jon Pop do anything to boost incel ranks

the difference is that gay people are fun and cute, whereas incel people are neither of those things

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Excelzior posted:

lol if you think weirdos like Jon Pop do anything to boost incel ranks

i suspect that cheetos, animes and vide goames boost incel ranks

Ork of Fiction
Jul 22, 2013
In any population, as outside selective pressures decrease, the incidence of mental illness and neoteny increases.

IOW, the domesticated human is an idiot man-baby.

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010

Memetic transfer of culture means that perversion is contagious. People know this instinctively and that is why they try to bully and ostracise weirdos, but the internet and our increasingly individualistic culture has created a situation where the self-esteem of each individual person is given greater importance than the health of the collective organism.

Shame is a virtue.

TwoFire
Sep 11, 2001

by Ralp

Moon Atari posted:

Shame is a virtue.

Go on :smith::fh:

Burns
May 10, 2008

Moon Atari posted:

Memetic transfer of culture means that perversion is contagious. People know this instinctively and that is why they try to bully and ostracise weirdos, but the internet and our increasingly individualistic culture has created a situation where the self-esteem of each individual person is given greater importance than the health of the collective organism.

Shame is a virtue.

I guess that explains hipsters??

Keg
Sep 22, 2014
Please stop being hate-filled losers, GBS.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Moon Atari posted:

Memetic transfer of culture means that perversion is contagious. People know this instinctively and that is why they try to bully and ostracise weirdos, but the internet and our increasingly individualistic culture has created a situation where the self-esteem of each individual person is given greater importance than the health of the collective organism.

Shame is a virtue.

I bully the nerd for all of mankind, not just myself.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

look into the history of the nobility and monarchs op.

quote:

From his early youth, the Ottoman Sultan Ibrahim I "The Mad" (±1616-1648) had been locked up in the "Cage", a large building without windows. When he was finally proclaimed Sultan, he sought compensation for his lost years, indulging in debauchery with an endless supply of fresh virgins. One day, however, he had his entire harem of 280 women thrown into the Bosporus, tied up in weighted sacks. He became known as "The Crazy One".

Ibrahim was born on November 5 or 6 in 1615 or 1616, as a younger son of Sultan Ahmed I (1590-1617). As an infant he had been locked up in the "Cage", and ever since he had been living in fear of death. The Sultans Osman II (1604-1622) and Murad IV (1612-1640) had executed all their brothers - except Ibrahim. In 1640, Murad actually ordered Ibrahim's death on his deathbed, because he thought it better for the dynasty to end rather than continue with 'insane seed'. But their mother, Sultana Kösem, intervened. Nevertheless, when a crowd tried to enter the "Cage" to proclaim him Sultan, Ibrahim was so terrified that he barred the door. He was convinced that his cruel brother was playing a trick to torment him and refused to come out until his brother's corpse had been brought before him. Even then his mother had to "coax him out as if cajoling a frightened kitten with food". When he had finally left the "Cage", Ibrahim began dancing through the harem, while screaming: "The butcher of the Empire is dead!".

Seeking compensation for his lost years, 23-year-old Ibrahim indulged in an urge for debauchery. Sultana Kösem was happy to reign in her son's place, so she took care of an endless supply of virgins and fat women for his pleasure. Ibrahim was frequently impotent so his mother supplied him with aphrodisiacs, too. Ibrahim preferred women he could not have and found it difficult to make love to slave-girls, who were not in a position to refuse him anything. Dimitri Cantemir of Moldavia wrote: "In the palace gardens he frequently assembled all the virgins, made them strip themselves naked, and neighing like a stallion ran amongst them and as it were ravished one or the other, kicking or struggling by his order". When Ibrahim met the beautiful daughter of the Grand Mufti, Turkey's highest religious leader, he asked him for her hand in marriage. The Mufti, aware of the debaucheries in the harem, advised his daughter to refuse the proposal. Ibrahim was enraged and had the girl followed and kidnapped. He ravaged her for a couple of days and then sent her back to her father. Another time Ibrahim treatened to stuff his Grand Vezir with straw unless he recovered presents given by previous Sultans to the shrine at Medina.

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

i bet there are plenty of people who jerk off to women turning into statues, but without the internet the thought would never have occurred to them.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:

i bet there are plenty of people who jerk off to women turning into statues, but without the internet the thought would never have occurred to them.

I can see that happening

hell, you've half-convinced me already

got any hot semi-petrified ladies?

BottledBodhisvata
Jul 26, 2013

by Lowtax

Excelzior posted:

I can see that happening

hell, you've half-convinced me already

got any hot semi-petrified ladies?

I got your mom stoned once if that helps you

YeahTubaMike
Mar 24, 2005

*hic* Gotta finish thish . . .
Doctor Rope
NAAFA was founded in 1969, so yeah

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:

i bet there are plenty of people who jerk off to women turning into statues, but without the internet the thought would never have occurred to them.

Dude, one of the classic greek myths is about that but in reverse. The Waifu is not new to our popular consciousness.

Manifest
Jul 7, 2007

HELLO THERE I COME FROM THE FUTURE
I miss when the internet was just research papers and bbses full of people arguing about Star Wars.

Cubone
May 26, 2011

Because it never leaves its bedroom, no one has ever seen this poster's real face.
lowtax called this phenomenon the "parrot rear end club" when he was a guest speaker at some university
I just kind of filed that a way as a good way to think about it

Cubone
May 26, 2011

Because it never leaves its bedroom, no one has ever seen this poster's real face.
also "amateur press associations" were the way fandoms communicated before the Internet, and Spock/Kirk fanfiction and furries both predate the World Wide Web by a considerable amount
tiny toon adventures did an episode about their creepy adult fans

incels probably existed but were just called something like "losers"
fat pride probably doesn't have any history or precedent because fats are subhuman scum and this is self evident

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.

BottledBodhisvata posted:

I got your mom stoned once if that helps you

:golfclap:

CrashCat
Jan 10, 2003

another shit post


jackyl posted:

This is a real chicken and egg problem, idk. Were all these freaks out there before the Internet or are they just more visible because of it or were there like two of them before the Internet and then they multiplied without sex?
If you really want to know, hit up a library. There's a fuckton of books about recent history and phenomena and such from before the Internet and while it was getting popular, but probably little interest in bringing stuff about a distasteful topic into the Internet from printed media. Of course you can use the Internet hosted library catalogs to help you find the books that would give you an idea before you go check them out.

Of course if you just want to guess, the answer is "freaks always find a way" and you can easily find enough of a pattern in information about much older history online to back up that guess.

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack
you ever been inside a model train store op

there aren't many left but modeling/crafts was the incel's bread and butter before the internet

source: my early teens lol

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goatse.cx haver
Oct 17, 2010

precious metals
the internet is an amplifier it makes everything bad worse and the good better, but theres actually nothing good about anything so you just get more fat furries lol

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