UKMT August 2015: Full Corbynism Now

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Hello, dear

Guavanaut posted:

It's time for another "gently caress the London Property Market!"

This delightful box room of despair has its own fantastic chandelier! Very upper-middle class.

Comes complete with kitchen/lounge/diner/every other room. (And a toilet/shower off to the side.)

All for the low low price of �780pcm or �180 a week.

To be fair, it does come with gas and water included so you could run a generator set off of the gas line and kill yourself with the exhaust instead of living in London.

If they did a remake of Bottom the main characters would have to share an understairs cupboard. In Southend.

:smith:

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coffeetable posted:

it is but a candidate with only six months study and no previous professional experience is gonna have a hard time getting reliable contract work

Ahhh that makes plenty of sense, thanks for answering

I've been thinking about learning a programming language myself, less for career purposes (though it wouldn't hurt) and more because I have a few videogame ideas I'd like to tinker with because I am a goon :v:

Most of what I've heard is the same as in this thread though, it's a good field if you've got the right brain to learn it.

Also, turning this to government stuff, I imagine a six-month training course could be a lot more effective than people learning by themselves for the same length of time. Seems to me that if the government wants to get people back into work they should help set up and sponsor classes like this (ideally with flexibility so they can scale up or down class numbers in different industries as needed), help students afford the books and programs needed, give people a benefits guarantee as long as they're attending and such*, and get people in the industries in to make connections. It really doesn't seem like it'd be an easy thing to gently caress up but as far as the Tories seem concerned, the only classes anyone gets are at the level of primary school literacy classes. Which some people need, but far from most.

* By this I don't mean people should be forced into such programs or sanctioned, rather that if you are on such a course you no longer need to sign on. Maybe the benefits on such a course would be a bit more generous or something, to encourage uptake?

# ? Jul 31, 2015 23:05

team overhead smash: Sep 2, 2006; Team-Forest-Tree-Dog:
Smashing your way into our hearts one skylight at a time

Just like to mention that the Corbyn was at the Red Star festival at the Marx Memorial library, arranged by the Morning Star and Communist Party of Great Britain this weekend. You won't catch me voting Labour, but still, :getin:

# ? Jul 31, 2015 23:23

endlessmonotony: Nov 4, 2009; by Fritz the Horse

Ugh, lazy OP. Not even bothering to do the maths.

40% of 66% is 86.4%.

The steps:

100% - 66% is 34%.
40% of 34% is 13.6%.
100% - 13.6% is 86.4%.

Your problem is trying to use immigrant maths where British maths are needed. In British maths you already know the answer and the will of the people, and just need to find out how to make the numbers agree, which is the easy part when you have the people on your side. Immigrant maths are for people who would corrupt the values of the British society with their "facts" and "science".

# ? Jul 31, 2015 23:43

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
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loving Arabic numerals.

# ? Jul 31, 2015 23:50

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

coffeetable posted:

meanwhile there are a thousand entry-level webdev/bizdev positions which'll settle for the first person to pass fizzbuzz

I hadn't heard of this so I looked it up and holy hell I can barely comprehend how many excessively complex solutions people are suggesting for this problem :psyduck:

# ? Aug 1, 2015 00:29

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Renaissance Robot posted:

I hadn't heard of this so I looked it up and holy hell I can barely comprehend how many excessively complex solutions people are suggesting for this problem

Wouldn't you just use a small series of if/else if/else with modulo operators for 3 and 5?

Assuming I'm looking at the same FizzBuzz question. (Also assuming I'm not being an idiot and missing an obvious simpler way.)

# ? Aug 1, 2015 00:44

Noxville: Dec 7, 2003

Guavanaut posted:

Wouldn't you just use a small series of if/else if/else with modulo operators for 3 and 5?

Assuming I'm looking at the same FizzBuzz question. (Also assuming I'm not being an idiot and missing an obvious simpler way.)

The two easy solution are to test all of mod 3/mod 5/mod 15 with four different print statements, or build a string with mod 3 and mod 5 and return either that or the number if it has no length. It's easy but helpful for weeding out the people who can't grasp problems and the people who needlessly complicate them because you kind of don't want either.

Some people search for the most obtuse 'elegant' solutions and I suspect they're the ones who'll write dense undebuggable nonsense.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 00:51

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

coffeetable posted:

this is completely unsolicited, but: if you've got time to burn retraining and all you want is a steady, well paid career, sit down an learn a programming language. demand is obscene, and six months' study and a few projects will likely see you into an easy �20-�30k. you don't need a technical background or any qualifications. you just need the drive to power through a few books on webdev/java/c#/whatever, and to write a project or two using what you've learnt. stick the projects on github, stick your github on your cv, and apply for entry-level programming jobs. you will be bounced from a lot of interviews, but the numbers are on your side: there are an awful lot more software jobs going right now than there are software developers

e: this assumes you live near a reasonably-sized city. there are no jobs in the wilderness

The downside is that programming is more boring than working in customer service call centres.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 01:02

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

Noxville posted:

The two easy solution are to test all of mod 3/mod 5/mod 15 with four different print statements, or build a string with mod 3 and mod 5 and return either that or the number if it has no length. It's easy but helpful for weeding out the people who can't grasp problems and the people who needlessly complicate them because you kind of don't want either.

Some people search for the most obtuse 'elegant' solutions and I suspect they're the ones who'll write dense undebuggable nonsense.

code:

return (((x mod 3) ? "" : "fizz") . ((x mod 5) ? "" : "buzz") ?: x);

A single-line problem in any language that has ternary operators.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 01:05

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EAT SHIT

Renaissance Robot posted:

I hadn't heard of this so I looked it up and holy hell I can barely comprehend how many excessively complex solutions people are suggesting for this problem

That's kind of the idea, how many clever/wacky/ridiculous ways can you solve this basic problem? Wallace would never have got to the moon if he'd just put his pants on like a normal person

# ? Aug 1, 2015 02:38

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

What's the command that gets the computer to take a drink when it gives a wrong answer, I think this might be important

# ? Aug 1, 2015 03:01

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EAT SHIT

drinks++
x += Math.round(Math.random(drinks / ALCOHOL_TOLERANCE))

# ? Aug 1, 2015 04:26

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Would you all stfu about this nerd poo poo!

# ? Aug 1, 2015 08:02

Venmoch: Jan 7, 2007; Either you pay me or I flay you alive... With my mind!

crispix posted:

If they did a remake of Bottom the main characters would have to share an understairs cupboard. In Southend.

I escaped the London property market by moving to Southend. Rents here are OK! (So you'd probably have to film bottom in Leyton!)
It was pretty much a no brainer when I found out that my rent and transport would still be less than the price of a months rent in London. Besides the trains are so good here, you can be in central London in about 50 minutes.

For example, you can get a two bedroom flat a short walk to the train station for �725 a month.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 08:13

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

A mere �700/mo for a two bed flat that gives you a commute of around an hour (is that 50 minutes the door-to-door time, or just the time that the train takes to go from Southend to London?) each way.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 08:33

UrbicaMortis: Feb 16, 2012; Hmm, how shall I post today?

big scary monsters posted:

I've been looking for a new place in Bristol (my current flat is nice but really too expensive for me) and honestly I've seen places not dissimilar to that. Although admittedly at half the price. I miss Scotland where I was paying �270/month all in

I moved to Bristol a couple of months ago and was a bit surprised by how competitive it was, especially for rooms that weren't even very good. Definitely cheaper than London though.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 09:13

Coohoolin: Aug 5, 2012; Oor Coohoolie.

Angepain posted:

Aww, youguys.... also lol @ The Guardian > Comment is Free > Middle-class hand-wringing

When Burnham or Cooper wins, we should accept the judgement of the people and have an OP made entirely of meaningless soundbites. Get some focus groups going.
When Liz Kendall wins, I dunno, move to Canada? Their angry beard guy seems to be doing okay, at least.

An OP emptyquoting "get on" forever.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 09:15

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

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forkboy84 posted:

The downside is that programming is more boring than working in customer service call centres.

depends on the kind of programming. entry-level bizdev can be pretty boring, but i'd say it more than makes up for it in terms of pay, pay potential, and job security

Renaissance Robot posted:

I hadn't heard of this so I looked it up and holy hell I can barely comprehend how many excessively complex solutions people are suggesting for this problem

a majority of candidates to any programming position will fail fizzbuzz or whatever equivalent trivial problem you choose. there are several theories on why this is; my preferred one is selection bias, amplified by how desperate employers are for anyone with an ounce of programming ability

coffeetable fucked around with this message at 10:45 on Aug 1, 2015

# ? Aug 1, 2015 09:36

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

ThomasPaine posted:

Would you all stfu about this nerd poo poo!

Shut down the forum, his Lordship has spoken.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 09:54

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Venmoch posted:

I escaped the London property market by moving to Southend. Rents here are OK! (So you'd probably have to film bottom in Leyton!)
It was pretty much a no brainer when I found out that my rent and transport would still be less than the price of a months rent in London. Besides the trains are so good here, you can be in central London in about 50 minutes.

For example, you can get a two bedroom flat a short walk to the train station for �725 a month.

And how much does the month's travel cost? Trains are expensive as hell.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 09:55

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

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last post on software dev before i let the thread return to its scheduled programming: here're two charts made from the stack overflow dev survey data. qualifiers are that it's self-reported (but anonymous), and self-selected for people who read stackoverflow. here i've filtered for full-time, UK developers, and kept only job titles which have more then 25 datapoints

(mean compensation rather than median because the salary data is binned)

and since webdev is by far and away the most popular job title,

(if you're wondering why the curve isn't smooth, again it's because the salary data is binned)

coffeetable fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Aug 1, 2015

# ? Aug 1, 2015 10:46

lmaoboy1998: Oct 23, 2013

Venmoch posted:

I escaped the London property market by moving to Southend. Rents here are OK! (So you'd probably have to film bottom in Leyton!)
It was pretty much a no brainer when I found out that my rent and transport would still be less than the price of a months rent in London. Besides the trains are so good here, you can be in central London in about 50 minutes.

For example, you can get a two bedroom flat a short walk to the train station for �725 a month.

Depends how highly you value your time and how crowded the commute is. If your commute is cattle-car (as trains into London are from my direction) that's an extra twenty three hours of leisure time a month replaced by stress. Not a great saving imo.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 10:47

OvineYeast: Jul 16, 2007; Freiheit ist immer Freiheit der Andersdenkenden

Hello thread, please enjoy this humorous satire:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11776855/Jeremy-Corbyn-the-first-100-days.html

quote:

It�s summer 2020, and a glorious new era in politics has dawned. Not everything, however, is going to plan�

There was a knock on the study door. �Prime Minister?� came the voice from the corridor.

With a sigh Jeremy Corbyn set down his mug of tea. �Yes?� he snapped. He didn�t mean to sound irritable, but it had been a trying week.

�Just to update you on the march, Prime Minister,� said the aide, shuffling meekly into the room. �They�ve��

�Would you mind giving me 10 minutes?� said Mr Corbyn, as courteously as he could manage. �Ten minutes.�

�Of course, Prime Minister,� said the aide.

Alone once more, Mr Corbyn wandered across to the window and gazed glumly out. How different it had all been, that joyous morning in May, just a few short months ago. The shock on the faces of those complacent so-called experts who�d dismissed him as �unelectable�. As ever, turnout among the young had towered above that of the old, giving the idealistic socialist a comfortable head start. And what fools the pollsters had been to underestimate the proportion of the electorate who worked as Marxist academics. All 12 million of them had sent Mr Corbyn on his way to an extraordinary landslide victory.

Eyes moistening with pride, he recalled the words of the middle-aged woman interviewed on the News at Ten during the celebrations at Trafalgar Square. �All my life I�ve longed for a true socialist government,� she�d beamed, tears running down her cheeks. �Sadly, none of the Labour leaders of the previous 40 years were Left-wing enough for me, so I�d always voted Tory instead.�

�All that the ordinary working people of this country ever wanted,� her husband had chimed in, �was to pay more in tax. Why did those out-of-touch fantasists in the Westminster bubble never listen?�

Yes, special memories. But how quickly they�d soured. First, because of the rebel Labour MPs who kept voting against their own prime minister � among them Mr Corbyn himself (the habit had proven impossible to break). Then, the loss of support from the Left, who�d declared him a Blairite traitor for his refusal to nationalise Man United and ban money.

Oh, why couldn�t Labour have stayed in Opposition? Life in power was wretched. All this haggling and compromise, just for the sake of passing a few laws. Lobbing denunciations from the sidelines was much more satisfying. Whoever went into politics because they wanted to change things?

He trudged down the stairs and out of Number 10 by a side entrance. The crowd in the street was so big, and so absorbed in its own fury, that he was able to pass into it unrecognised.

�What�s happening?� he asked a young man with a �CORBYN OUT� placard.

�We�re protesting against this austerity-loving neoliberal fascist of a prime minister,� said the young man. �He�s refusing to give free gap years and iPhones to the under-25s � even though we told him to put it in his manifesto. Now he�s chatting all this Tory rubbish about how there�s �not enough money�. He must take us for idiots.�

�What a bourgeois elitist Thatcherite turncoat,� agreed Mr Corbyn. �May I borrow that loudhailer?� He lifted it to his lips. �CORBYN OUT!� he shouted. �DOWN WITH CORBYN! END THE CORBYN JUNTA NOW!�

He felt better already.

OvineYeast fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Aug 1, 2015

# ? Aug 1, 2015 10:51

lmaoboy1998: Oct 23, 2013

OvineYeast posted:

Hello thread, please enjoy this humorous satire:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11776855/Jeremy-Corbyn-the-first-100-days.html

pls copy/paste so I don't have to give the telegraph money

# ? Aug 1, 2015 10:52

OvineYeast: Jul 16, 2007; Freiheit ist immer Freiheit der Andersdenkenden

lmaoboy1998 posted:

pls copy/paste so I don't have to give the telegraph money

done - as you can see, this satire certainly is humorous.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 10:54

communism bitch: Apr 24, 2009

i dont know whats real any more

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:02

lmaoboy1998: Oct 23, 2013

Imagine looking at Britain in 2015 where political parties must offer unconditional protection to both pensioners and upper-median earners to have a hope of winning and criticising the loving under-25s for self-interested voting.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:09

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

coffeetable posted:

last post on software dev before i let the thread return to its scheduled programming: here're two charts made from the stack overflow dev survey data. qualifiers are that it's self-reported (but anonymous), and self-selected for people who read stackoverflow. here i've filtered for full-time, UK developers, and kept only job titles which have more then 25 datapoints

(mean compensation rather than median because the salary data is binned)

I'd be interested in seeing the medians there, even if with the bins they're not going to be super precise. I'd expect salary to be super skewed by large values.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:11

Jrbg: May 20, 2014

Have political sketch writers for newspapers ever written anything funny/unsmug?

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:19

Gorn Myson: Aug 8, 2007

I remember the Daily Mail writing a series of 'satirical' articles back in the Blair years which were pages from the fake diary of John Prescott. Now I suppose you could have done something interesting with that premise, but they instead just wrote a bunch of boisterous "ZaNuLiebore" nonsense written in a Northern dialect. So not only was the whole thing incredibly stupid but it was also really annoying to read.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:20

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

J_RBG posted:

Have political sketch writers for newspapers ever written anything funny/unsmug?

I remember "Malcom Tucker"'s bits for the Guardian being amusing, if that counts, but then that was someone who had already proved themselves at writing funny things in another medium so

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:23

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

quote:

nationalise Man United and ban money

quote:

free gap years and iPhones to the under-25s

Not sure what a free gap year is, but it sounds like a mincome thing. I support that. Means tested free phones are a good idea, and were even supported by known Marxist academic Ronald Reagan. Means tested free phones with email and other internet functions would be even better.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:27

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

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Angepain posted:

I'd be interested in seeing the medians there, even if with the bins they're not going to be super precise. I'd expect salary to be super skewed by large values.

the mean is relatively robust here b/c the bins only cover �0-�100,000 (in chunks of �12,500 as the survey was in USD). but to sate your curiosity,

here's the gist if you're interested in looking at anything else.

coffeetable fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Aug 1, 2015

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:28

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

The Daily Mail, then and now:

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:31

ThomasPaine: Feb 4, 2009; We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

Jedit posted:

Shut down the forum, his Lordship has spoken.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:34

Jrbg: May 20, 2014

LemonDrizzle posted:

The Daily Mail, then and now:

Love that the pictures don't depict swarms but one or two immigrant-looking types, because that's enough to get the juices flowing.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:34

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

And here's the Mirror:

The British press (and public) cares more about African animals than African people.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 11:40

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

coffeetable posted:

Cheers. I think I have an endless insatiable desire for graphs. You can never have too many graphs.

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OvineYeast posted:

Hello thread, please enjoy this humorous satire:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11776855/Jeremy-Corbyn-the-first-100-days.html

Ho ho ho, wanting children not to starve is so adolescent.

# ? Aug 1, 2015 12:06

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