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JnnyThndrs posted:I see an insane number of loaded F-250/350's and big GM/Dodge equivalents running around, and those fuckers are 50-60K, so I fail to see how a hypothetical 30-40K Tesla is just for Richie Rich. Actually I bet if we plotted out a graph with data points on value of Pick up truck and actual wealth of the individual it'd probably be reverse corollary. People who buy those things often aren't really in a financial position to do so-if they were, they tend not to buy beefy pick up trucks, but actual luxury vehicles Its anecdotal, I guess, but the point is the same person that buys the $50K truck is probably not the same person that would actually go for a $50K Electric car.
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Jastiger posted:Actually I bet if we plotted out a graph with data points on value of Pick up truck and actual wealth of the individual it'd probably be reverse corollary. Well supposedly the most popular car for millionaires is the F150 http://blog.lendingclub.com/incredible-statistics-about-millionaires-in-america/
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etalian posted:Telsa would have been hosed if the Obama administration had not given them a DOE loan when they where cashed starved during their growing phase. reminder the big 3 got nearly 100 billion in the auto bailout and they still make nothing but rolling shitboxes
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Jastiger posted:Actually I bet if we plotted out a graph with data points on value of Pick up truck and actual wealth of the individual it'd probably be reverse corollary. Pickup trucks are the luxury vehicle of anyone that doesn't have a residence in an urban (NYC) area.
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JnnyThndrs posted:I see an insane number of loaded F-250/350's and big GM/Dodge equivalents running around, and those fuckers are 50-60K, so I fail to see how a hypothetical 30-40K Tesla is just for Richie Rich. you can write off pretty much the entire cost of trucks as business expenses same reason every other car on the road was an excursion or escalade 10 years ago
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etalian posted:Well supposedly the most popular car for millionaires is the F150 Yeah what others said. I think its generally a "Business Vehicle", especially if they are in contracting or a small business owner. computer parts posted:Pickup trucks are the luxury vehicle of anyone that doesn't have a residence in an urban (NYC) area. I dunno, maybe. It is striking to me as someone that deals in auto insurance with people, that folks that have the BEEFY PICK UP TRUCK are not good with money. I mean why spend $50K on a luxury pick up when you could put that same money towards a nice family vehicle or sedan. Its a status symbol for people that think vehicles are status symbols but don't want to come off as well-off. Its a weird social phenomena I think.
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But how will people know that you're a Real Man if you don't drive a giant truck?
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Jastiger posted:Yeah what others said. I think its generally a "Business Vehicle", especially if they are in contracting or a small business owner. can't haul poo poo in a sedan
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comes along bort posted:reminder the big 3 got nearly 100 billion in the auto bailout and they still make nothing but rolling shitboxes
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comes along bort posted:reminder the big 3 got nearly 100 billion in the auto bailout and they still make nothing but rolling shitboxes Ford does decent. They also didn't actually get money from the bailout, but still.
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Germstore posted:can't haul poo poo in a sedan Lol the F150 hauls fine. You know mother fuckers aren't getting a $60K truck just to haul stuff. There are far more efficient ways to do that, especially if they have a family. Tesla should make the same vehicle, but put it in a Ford F250 or Dodge Ram 2500 truck chassis, and charge $90K for it, but with all the same guts (so its technically slower and less responsive than the car) It'd outsell a $35K exact same model, but in a sedan 2 to 1 I bet.
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computer parts posted:Ford does decent. Not true even though Ford did use the talking point in its ad campaign: http://www.factcheck.org/2011/09/ford-motor-co-does-u-turn-on-bailouts/ During the 2009 recession Ford did receive $5.9 billion dollars in government aid for cap ex upgrades focused on plants which produced more energy efficient models.
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I don't know about pickup trucks but there was talk at some point about electric trucks in general. IIRC Musk was speculating and saying that they would actually be a lot easier to manufacture than an electric car from an engineering perspective, but they simply don't have enough batteries. The "gigafactory" might change that though.
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enraged_camel posted:I don't know about pickup trucks but there was talk at some point about electric trucks in general. IIRC Musk was speculating and saying that they would actually be a lot easier to manufacture than an electric car from an engineering perspective, but they simply don't have enough batteries. 
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computer parts posted:Ford does decent. the fed bought 16 billion in debt securities from ford motor credit
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enraged_camel posted:I don't know about pickup trucks but there was talk at some point about electric trucks in general. IIRC Musk was speculating and saying that they would actually be a lot easier to manufacture than an electric car from an engineering perspective, but they simply don't have enough batteries. What a loving dumbass this guy is. LOL! Here it is once more for you:
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Didn't the government get all but $12 billion back? Not that 12 billion is pocket change.
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comes along bort posted:the fed bought 16 billion in debt securities from ford motor credit Yeah, Ford definitely benefited from the bailout.
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he's terrified that more bad Terminator movies will get made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s92ftql59IU
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JnnyThndrs posted:I see an insane number of loaded F-250/350's and big GM/Dodge equivalents running around, and those fuckers are 50-60K, so I fail to see how a hypothetical 30-40K Tesla is just for Richie Rich. comes along bort posted:the fed bought 16 billion in debt securities from ford motor credit
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At least Ford and Chevy didn't take the money and then sell themselves to Italians anyway.
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Germstore posted:At least Ford and Chevy didn't take the money and then sell themselves to Italians anyway. Yeah, those loving etalians!
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enraged_camel posted:Yeah, those loving etalians!  LMFAO this guy just doesnt get it! What a silly motherfucker! Get this through your thickened skull!
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Germstore posted:At least Ford and Chevy didn't take the money and then sell themselves to Italians anyway. the Fiat-Chrysler merger had predictably hilarious results
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etalian posted:the Fiat-Chrysler merger had predictably hilarious results Both are terrible auto manufacturers that make cars for poors or idiots lol.
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Jastiger posted:Both are terrible auto manufacturers that make cars for poors or idiots lol. Always fun reading reviews for the latest FIAT in auto magazines.
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etalian posted:Always fun reading reviews for the latest FIAT in auto magazines. Give us a snippet here.
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Jastiger posted:Give us a snippet here. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-fiat-500-sport-long-term-wrap-up-review quote:But the 500 never fully cooperated when we tried to drive it hard. The superlight clutch pedal offered all the resistance of overcooked linguine, and one logbook comment deemed the shifter to be “possibly the worst in any modern car.” Commenters left colorful, unprintable notes about the tepid throttle response as well as excessive wind and tire noise, large blind spots, and a ride that often crashed over bumps. High winds turned our morning commutes into wrestling matches with the steering wheel. It's also around the same price as a Honda or Toyota while having worse bluebook resale value.
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What's a reasonably good alternative to rubber tires.
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How long until the the Chinese make their own ripoff version?
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I want a Volt because I like unions.
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etalian posted:How long until the the Chinese make their own ripoff version? of a fiat or tesla? if it's the latter http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1099332_youxia-electric-tesla-clone-from-china-so-bad-it-makes-us-laugh
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comes along bort posted:of a fiat or tesla? A sign of success is having the Chinese rip you off.
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comes along bort posted:you can write off pretty much the entire cost of trucks as business expenses Some friendly advice: You should hire a professional to do your taxes.
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etalian posted:http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-fiat-500-sport-long-term-wrap-up-review Lol thats hilarious. How can that company exist with ratings like that. Oh yeah because people are dumb and buy poo poo like PT Cruisers and Kia Souls
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Jastiger posted:Lol thats hilarious. How can that company exist with ratings like that. It's a mystery since the company also owns great reliable brands like Jeep now.
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JebanyPedal posted:Gay car???? So what
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JebanyPedal posted:Can u put a tesla coil on my car Put a tesla soldier inside a captured IFV
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