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In fictional TV shows, why is it that people are so tight and prissy about using defibrillators? Say a character goes into arrest and the docs start shocking them, they will always be somebody shouting that it's a waste of time and they should stop now, and what's the point? And they're so frickin mad about it, screaming or rolling their eyes or physically stopping the docs from executing the process... why is this?
opus111 fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Aug 2, 2015 |
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# ? Mar 19, 2024 12:07 |
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because electricity is bad voodoo magic that jesus frowns upon
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:03 |
In the Evil Dead remake a dude makes a defibrillator out of two needles and a car battery and brings a zombie lady back to life with it.
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:05 |
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theres an evil dead remake? wtf?
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:10 |
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creates tension the dumbest thing is cpr in films/tv. in real life it's not a few pumps on the chest and they miraculously recover. cpr doesn't restart the heart, just keeps it pumping manually long enough to keep the brain alive until professional help arrives
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:12 |
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opus111 posted:In fictional TV shows, why is it that people are so tight and prissy about using defibrillators? Say a character goes into arrest and the docs start shocking them, they will always be somebody shouting that it's a waste of time and they should stop now, and what's the point? And they're so frickin man about it, screaming or rolling their eyes or physically stopping the docs from executing the process... why is this? irl it would usually be because a defibrillator wouldn't do poo poo to a flatline readout which is what they use it for in TV shows. the best screen use of a defibrillator is the scene in the Abyss where they defibrillate the main lady to revive her from drowning while she's soaking wet and the entire cast of the movie is huddled around her, kneeling in a big pool of salt water
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:14 |
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Tuxedo Gin posted:creates tension I thought about tension but rejected that because... well the battle of life and death is surely tense enough? Also I didn't know that about CPR - cool!
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:15 |
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Faux Mulder posted:irl it would usually be because a defibrillator wouldn't do poo poo to a flatline readout which is what they use it for in TV shows. OIC, thanks. So once somebody flatlines, thats it?
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:17 |
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opus111 posted:theres an evil dead remake? wtf? yea it's pretty rad
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Cowman posted:yea it's pretty rad It's just alright.
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:28 |
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opus111 posted:OIC, thanks. So once somebody flatlines, thats it? Not definitively, but in that scenario you'd be better off just doing chest compressions, a defibrillator isn't an appropriate course of action. Defibrillators are meant to treat atrial or ventricular fibrillation in the heart, which is when the electrical nerve impulses controlling the contraction of heart muscle get disorganised and desynchronised and cause the muscle tissue to spasm and flutter as different parts of it contract at different times. The defib works by delivering a shock that overpowers the heart's own nerve impulses, intended to reset the electrical activity and get it back in sync. What it won't do is restart those impulses after they stop happening.
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:36 |
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opus111 posted:Also I didn't know that about CPR - cool! yeah it's actually really loving unpleasant. i used to be a lifeguard instructor at a waterpark and we had to teach a bunch of 16 year olds how to do cpr and that if they don't break ribs they're not doing it right, and that they may have to pump for their lives for 2-4+ minutes until EMS could arrive and that is surprisingly loving hard and often requires trading off.
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:41 |
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beaten but because it's kind of a Hail Mary. Not as bad as cpr though
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:47 |
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best way to save someones life is a combination of electrocuting them and punching them in the chest
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:49 |
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how might one go about restarting a heart that has fully stopped beating if you could answer before i black out that'd be super
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:51 |
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I don't get it. If defibs don't work what is the best way to start a heart once a person is dead?
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:51 |
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Demonachizer posted:I don't get it. If defibs don't work what is the best way to start a heart once a person is dead?
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:53 |
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lightning bolt
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 05:53 |
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Faux Mulder posted:lightning bolt do you need to channel it past a key attached to a jar or can you just shoot it right into their chest? Demonachizer fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Aug 2, 2015 |
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Demonachizer posted:I don't get it. If defibs don't work what is the best way to start a heart once a person is dead? Drugs
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 11:41 |
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you open their chest and manually pump the heart with your hands
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 11:43 |
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Tuxedo Gin posted:yeah it's actually really loving unpleasant. i used to be a lifeguard instructor at a waterpark and we had to teach a bunch of 16 year olds how to do cpr and that if they don't break ribs they're not doing it right, and that they may have to pump for their lives for 2-4+ minutes until EMS could arrive and that is surprisingly loving hard and often requires trading off. no matter what after 3 minutes the person you're trying has irreversible brain damage... like unless its really cold and since you're at the drat pool it's probably hot out so yeah, dont even bother
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 11:45 |
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There is the most unimaginable gulf between the likely outcome in real life of CPR, and the fictional versions. Like, if you crash while actually in a world class cardiac unit, surrounded by fully trained nursing staff and a thoracic surgeon waiting to operate on you in the next 2 minutes, you get about 50/50 odds. If you drop in a random crowded place in a major city, where someone might know CPR, and a hospital isn't too far away, 15-20%. Anything else is pretty much a waste of time.
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 12:09 |
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i thought this was going to be a wikipedia article
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 12:12 |
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Demonachizer posted:I don't get it. If defibs don't work what is the best way to start a heart once a person is dead? Depends what caused the heart to stop working properly. If you get electrocuted and someone is close by with a defibrillator, then they work great. If you get shot and bleed out then defibrillators are 100% worthless. But in hospital settings defibrillators are used in conjunction with drugs. The success rate largely depends on the underlying issue though. One important little consideration though is that brain damage starts after ~4 min of the heart no longer pumping blood (so no CPR either). In a lot of cases, people who get CPR and are successfully resuscitated end up with brain damage. CPR sucks and dying sucks and usually it's better just to stay dead.
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 12:16 |
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This guy collapsed next to me and I was thinking of giving him CPR but I knew that CPR was basically just a waste of time so I stole his wallet instead and ran off
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 12:24 |
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TheJoker138 posted:It's just alright. agrreed
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 12:42 |
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i was really hoping the lady was going to say "it was the woods themselves" but she didnt
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 12:43 |
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Demonachizer posted:I don't get it. If defibs don't work what is the best way to start a heart once a person is dead? Phoenix Down
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 13:58 |
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opus111 posted:OIC, thanks. So once somebody flatlines, thats it? Cowman posted:yea it's pretty rad
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 14:22 |
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because this is a law in MOvie World as promulgated by the Story King, who is a fan of building tension and conflict and recognizes that stories in Movie World are rather time-limited so he needs to cut the scene somehow from a guy just getting shocked over and over and over and over while he's clearly deasd because showing you that would be stupid because it's not very important that the doctor shocked him 50xxx guy died. established.
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 14:28 |
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Demonachizer posted:I don't get it. If defibs don't work what is the best way to start a heart once a person is dead? Shake your fist at god, scream "LIVE, drat YOU!", and then slam said fist down on persons chest.
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 14:37 |
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Chopper Reid provides some excellent CPR instruction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85qcMFDYbsw
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 14:39 |
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did you know that you can have a defibrillator surgically implanted on your heart that can sense when it goes into arrest and then shocks it back into beating? modern medicine is amazing. truly a wonderful time to be alive, OP
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 14:53 |
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opus111 posted:theres an evil dead remake? wtf? There's also an upcoming TV show. With Bruce Campbell. And it looks fun.
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 14:54 |
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im the tv guy spasming like franeksteins monster when defibbed
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 15:11 |
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thanks doc that was a close one, bing my family in i wanna talk to em now
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 15:12 |
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How about you defibulate DEEZE NUTS
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 15:18 |
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2 years ago when I had my widow-maker heart attack my heart stopped while in the back of the ambulance. Lucky for me. They used 200 joules to restart my heart.
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 15:47 |
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# ? Mar 19, 2024 12:07 |
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it creates dramatic tension, and a sense of hopelessness. if the patient lives the protagonist is a hero. if the patient dies the protagonist was only guilty of hoping too much.
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# ? Aug 2, 2015 15:48 |