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EccoRaven posted:probably the one where you were the singer! All nationality is a social construct used by royalty and the bourgeois to distract the working class from their plight. One day all peasants, from Arrentia to Cazan, shall rise up in solidarity and smash their collective chains. That said, I want to be a pretty Mereaux female 
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oh wait, are we roleplaying? uuuuhhhhhhhh Morning, my friends, why so dreary Pierre is gone, but let's act clearly Avenge his death and save our town From forces evil and not compound Our situation through thoughtless play The Mob must be found, this I say! CCKeane posted:Everybody I have a very powerful role, please submit your name if you would like me to use this very powerful role on you thank you. please throw me into the meat grinder that is your role.
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Pinterest Mom posted:two posts above you i am functionally illiterate. i am not even sure what i am quoting.
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QuoProQuid posted:i am functionally illiterate. i am not even sure what i am quoting. uhhhhh i mean PMom I fear I cannot read much like a child who is on Speed Unconstrained and always vexing My ignorance leaves others hexing
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TMMadman posted:This is just a standard lurker poke: hello thx for the lurker call out 22 hours into the first day of the game it is v helpful content
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just started reading through the thread. here's a lil' preview TMMadman posted:Yes because as the top poster I have been not saying anything all game. TMMadman posted:I should jump on you for setup spec chat, but since I tend to do it as well, it'd be pretty hypocritical of me. ERROR! ERROR! SCUM DETECTED! ##vote: TMM
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TMMadman posted:After all the heat I took for massive setup spec chat in the Complete Bullshit game, I'm going to try not to do it so much. tmm reminds me of jeb bush, in that he is really awkward and tripping over himself in his attempts to pre-empt people calling him scummy. i'm not entirely sure why a townie player is so concerned about appearances, and posts like these pang my gut hard. the keane callout strikes me as obvious to an absurd degree. keane is intentionally acting weird and acting like this is some grand new revelation is decidedly lazy. Lumpen posted:Ping ping ping. These posts seem insincere and overcareful. Wishywashiness on Keane strikes me as extraneous. Self-conscious playstyle change announcement blatantly in view of self-preservation shows a Scum mindset. i agree with lumpen lumpen is.... a good player TMMadman posted:I believe that Ecco usually favors longer early days and then shortens the deadlines for the later days. TMMadman posted:This is very true. thank you mafia dad TMMadman posted:This all feels off to me. First, you straight up ask for the pearl and use a flavor claim as justification. Then you use a weird emotional appeal to seal the deal. what the hell is this dumb post. i can't decide if it is a serious attack on gamer for a joke flavor post, or a joke post that you will immediately brush off the moment someone calls you out. BottleKnight posted:hmmmm weird! setup discussion is white noise and no one ever wins a game of "let's outguess the mod" let's nip this thing in the bud Lumpen posted:Everyone that Ecco responded to in the thread is probably Town. The posts are taken as sincere and by engaging with them on that basis Ecco, as Mod who knows all the roles, implies that they are Town. I believe Ecco would respond in a ScumDoc for idle chatter to and chat idly about the game with Scum players, rather than posting in-thread. lol Pinterest Mom posted:i don't buy this reason to vote keane - it's a reach i think pmom is being a little too hard on a new player. makes me edgy
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Rarity posted:Solid post, Sam's pushing to create content in the early game without guiding opinions or attacking someone. bad, white noise post. Samfucius posted:Content would be great. good response to bad white noise post. GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:##unvote ##vote merk i overlooked this exchange initially, but going through again, merk's unvote is more than a little weird. i don't think its as massive a slip as you seem to be implying here, but it's definitely odd. EXAKT Science posted:Assuming just a scumteam, it's probably five scum. If there's an SK, then four. Of course, there's almost certainly ~weirdness~ happening, because Ecco game. sttooooooooooooooppppppp Rarity posted:This is an overly serious reaction to a very jokey post from Hal. Later on she claims that she understands jokephase so why does she react the way she does here? It could be supporting a scum buddy as I already mentioned, it could be she knows the pearl is bad for town. That's all speculation though, my main issue with this post is that I don't see it as a towny way of thinking. If Sam's the scummiest then he should be lynched, pearl or no pearl. This reaction says that ltrigirl is judging the lynch target by a different metric. watch, and be amazed, as the amazing rarity transforms molehills into mountains before your very eyes! witness, as a new player, who has no reason to be familiar with meinberg at all, is transformed into an uncivilized menace to society! all this and more an be found at the pearl of port lourde! buy your tickets today! GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:If I do decide to case ljt later in this game please remember that Rarity's case makes her scummier not townier and that my case exists outside of hers tia guisseppe is on the ball. leaning pro-town
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okay, i am pretty much caught up right now. my leanings for scum atm are: TMM > Rarity > merk? now i am going to bed so zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ((did i post enough to be a "top poster?" am i allowed to criticize TMM for white noise posts yet????))
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Pinterest Mom posted:sam is giving me ~vibes~, would vote oooopppps, for some reason I thought he was newer. TMMadman posted:While I obviously don't agree with your assessment of me, I certainly thank you for putting in the time and effort to make those posts. Set-up discussion requires no engagement with other players for little actual gain. It is a cancer that consumes the public's attention, a parasite that masquerades as something useful. Scum latch on to set-up discussion because it allows them to post without really posting at all. They seem like they are providing the town with useful information, but are, in reality, doing little more than malicious guesswork. I see no benefit in allowing such actions to continue and make no apologies for pushing against such discussion. uhhhh... I mean *faaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrttttttt* as for your second issue, I have to ask: a) is it really clear that you are teasing kash; b) is pushing against setup chat in anyway mafia dad behavior? my understanding is that mafia dadding is posting for the sole purpose of mentoring new players via easily understood info; c) even if it was mafia dadding, how do my sins exonerate you of your failings Meinberg posted:The young merchant spends much of the morning examining documents, peering over documents in an attempt to try and suss out the economic connections that link those in the town together. For such a small, wholely provincial place, the webs of duty and debt are thick and complicated, nesting patterns within themselves, forming chaotic relationships. The task was hard and the sound of argument proved too much of a distraction for his tasks. He pulled himself from his desk and emerged out into the light, there seeing GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE and merk and their clash of words. "I think that merk may be acting overly aggressively, and I'm more than willing to take GUISSEPPE at face value. In our conversations in the past, we've come to gain a bit of an understanding, and this seems in keeping with their character." heeeeeey meinberg, you mentioned finding keane' play suspicious. would you do me the kindness of explaining why you think he is acting as he is?
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Kashuno posted:My d1 posting is pretty bad I have a hard time making a good strong case on d1 reads but what
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Kashuno posted:Can anyone who's played with Keane before please explain to me a world where his posting is good for town or clears him from being scum at all? keane does this a lot. i get the sense he is fishing for reactions. its not a tell ljtrigirl posted:Is there a reason that QPQ is using kid gloves with Meinberg? Do they have some weird meta that I am unaware of? i treat all of god's children equally  do you find that suspicious? if so, why? ljtrigirl posted:##unvote why? Hal Incandenza posted:Samfucious is hemming and hawwing and struggling to appear engaged in a very scummy way. why? Gamerofthegame posted:Why Merk? You don't reference him at all in your effort posts outside of an offhand comment of someone unvoting him and that still wasn't directed to Merk specifically. after being prompted by diqnol, i was thrown off my merk's unvote and got a general negative vibe about him. his latest posting hasn't given me any such concerns, so it may have been an overstatement on my part (though tbf i did end my statement with a ?) Gamerofthegame posted:I can see the argument for TMM, but on the flipside in the same breathe it looks like he's waiting for content to jump on. Instead of just being passive he's trying to get people to post and get poo poo going, constantly referencing post counts like a tosser to criticize people into i am not sure i understand you here. do you see the game as being in need of resuscitation? what behavior necessitates "constantly referencing post counts," especially on d1 of a long ecco game? your logic here reads like spin merk posted:Let's discuss Diqnol for a moment. If you're not voting him, why not? What is your read on him? I feel like he's not posting today to try to see if the heat on him goes away. his initial attack on you was a little jarring compared to what i remember of his content, but when i actually read what he was saying i could see his point. reading his posts together and devoid of context, i dont see anything particularly bad. he is acting antagonistic, but i think that might just be d1 behavior. i am going to go reread sam's post history, because he's been mentioned several times but i've glazed over his content.
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ljtrigirl posted:I feel grounded by my evil reads on Lumpen and Pinterest Mom. Like, I felt a little bobby in this game earlier, but I feel better now. why do you feel this way unfortunately, i am a poor miserable creature and could find no justification in your post history for these reads can you please illuminate me?
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Your posts all accuse them of being "possible evils" but provide no explanation for that read. Until your last quoted post, you had no justification for why you thought either party was suspicious. So, I ask again, what content do you see as suspicious? Is there something tangible you can point to in Lumpen's content, as you technically answered for PMom, that explains your read?
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Aug 19, 2015 23:22
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Oh, I guess that's my mistake then. How embarrassing!
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Reading through Sam's post history in isolation before getting to the thread itself: I do not get the sense that Sam is searching for scum, or that his behavior is in anyway pro-town. My qualms with his activity begins early D1, in which his first real actions are to jump on diqnol (1) for reasons unknown and post about posting content (2), (3). When he is called out on this behavior, Sam seems to shift tactics and "dredges up" a single post from Rarity to disagree on tactics (5) I find this odd behavior. While Rarity has made one or two posts which I view as genuinely suspicious, Sam picks on a post that appears almost innocuous. Even more inexplicable is how this disagreement over tactics rapidly snowball into Sam accusing Rarity of excusing herself from the lynch (6) which: A.) does not appear to be her intent; B.) is a ludicrous strategy for scum to take at this phase in the game; C.) would be entirely ignored by the town even if used. Sam's casing makes me more wary about my suspicions on Rarity. It looks like Sam picked a suspect and found evidence to support his conclusions rather than the other way around and hedges his bets should his case go sour (7). I find myself disagreeing with a case that I should be inclined to support. I am not putting much weight into his last few posts related to diqnol, as they read as frustration at diqnol's Trump-esque cockiness. so those are my thoughts yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
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TMMadman posted:This is pretty much spot on about me. I tend to post a lot of crap on D1 (I try to focus and not post as much poo poo after D1) because I'm a messenger and spend the majority of my day in my car alone with my phone. So I tend to treat D1 as a time to shoot the poo poo and just try to get people to post in the thread, even if it doesn't really have to do with the game. uuugggghhhhhhh i hate that i like this post fiery_valkyrie posted:I think Gamer is scum. There is a serious lack of substance to his posting. good case and i would be willing to vote gamer on its basis. the joke vote you quote is p bad, like a robot desperately trying to appear human "HELLO FELLOW TOWNIE, BEEP BOOP, LET US ENGAGE IN LIGHT-HEARTED HUMAN INTERACTION BEEP BOOP. HAHA" this might be a personal thing, but i probably wouldnt drop a joke post on someone immediately after defending them. to put on my lumpen hat for a second, i like bottleknight and valkyrie better for posting similar cases within minutes of each other. dont think scum would do that.
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:It's definitely not a meltdown. I don't think you know what a meltdown is. I'm sitting here with a smirk on my face. its definitely a meltdown lightly drizzled in smugness
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:This is a horribly dumb post, are you sure you aren't just tired and extra dopey? i dont think so! can you tell me why its dumb diqnol?
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i dont really need merk's posts when every single post after your big merk case (1) is you spinning your wheels. your posting doesn't lead anywhere and it provides no deeper understanding of the game. all i get in the latter half of your posts is a sense of blind aggression. its frustrating to read because there's few reads or actual substance to them. i dont feel a need to respond to your posts with any more than one or two words because that is all they deserve. you are a distraction. i was willing to to go to bat for you early on, but you've failed to follow up.
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QuoProQuid posted:i dont really need merk's posts when every single post after your big merk case (1) is you spinning your wheels. your posting doesn't lead anywhere and it provides no deeper understanding of the game. all i get in the latter half of your posts is a sense of blind aggression. its frustrating to read because there's few reads or actual substance to them. i dont feel a need to respond to your posts with any more than one or two words because that is all they deserve. MAFIA EDIT: To be more articulate for a moment, it reads like you have run out of steam. You blew your load casing merk and are now struggling to find additional reads to supplement it. In lieu of content, you've resorted to a staggering amount of insults. I guess some of these could be construed as reads but, like I said, they don't go anywhere and there is no clear direction to them.
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QuoProQuid posted:MAFIA EDIT: To be more articulate for a moment, it reads like you have run out of steam. You blew your load casing merk and are now struggling to find additional reads to supplement it. In lieu of content, you've resorted to a staggering amount of insults. I guess some of these could be construed as reads but, like I said, they don't go anywhere and there is no clear direction to them. MAFIA EDIT x2: And in my personal experience, I've found that scum are often far more willing to get nasty than town as it is a good way to deflect attention. I could be misremembering your post style, but I don't remember you acting this aggressively in the past. Your general attitude leaves me with a very negative ~~~vibe~~~~, especially when read in one big sequence.
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I am essentially caught up right now. As the deadline is mostly floating and we have some flexibility with regards to the lynch, I'll go back and reread Gamer's posts in isolation. I liked the BottleKnight case against him earlier today, but didn't have the time or energy to review this content much myself. Would anyone be willing to take a look at TMM? I view his most recent content as a significant improvement over what I saw earlier today, but I still have vaguely bad feelings about him. I would not pursue him for the lynch, but think he deserves a second look.
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merk posted:I don't think Diq believes I'm scum. I'm convinced he doesn't believe it. Whether he's holding onto this case out of pride or because he's scum is still unknown. I can't figure that out. Congratulations!
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:It's not that you're wrong about my negativity, but you are absolutely wrong about me ever being nice. I go on and off with being kind to people in mafia games but I'm generally very aggressive and utilize emotions to determine intent. I definitely have hunted and made reads since my big merk post but that's not to say that I've made hunting my top priority as merk seems convincingly scum to me. I hunt still because there's always the possibility one is wrong in these games and so it'd be a waste of time to hang onto one case to the exclusion of all else. If you think I'm scum, fine, but I'd like you to better explain why. Even these mafia edits do little to explain why you feel I'm scum. They read far more like you're disappointed in what I've brought to the table (fair) and that you dislike how abrasive I am (fair). I guess my biggest issue right now is the lack of substance in your most recent posts. You mention that you use emotion to determine intent, but having just gone through the last ten pages, I don't see any of that. Yes, you respond to a lot of people, but you don't really pursue any of these threads, nor does there appear to be any fruits to your labor. You might as well have posted just as I did above, with one or two words insulting the person, and left it at that. There is less "searching for intent" and more posturing, which I typically associate with scum who want to look like they are doing something without actually doing anything. It is possible that I overreacted to your recent contribution (and fully admit that I am probably misremembering your meta). For several pages, you are almost every other post and it gets extremely tiring reading these in rapid succession. I doubt, however, that my feelings are completely unfounded. There is something generally off about your content. It might be pride, as merk mentions above, but I doubt that. It reads as scummy behavior and I would consider you a viable lynch candidate. I will say that these most recent posts you have made toward me make me feel better, but you are still a player I would pursue.
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Aug 22, 2015 02:14
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It's been a while since I've seen Lumpen around and do enjoy playing with him. No regrets.
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Reflections on Gamer: Gamer is yet another player that is somewhat active but lacks much to justify his post count. What sticks out to me is just how much white noise he has, whether that be set-up speculation (1), Mafia Dadding (2), (3), or just making ill-timed jokes (4). Given how weak he starts off, I am surprised that he managed to sneak by for so long undetected. It is not until page 18 (!) until someone calls him out on his shenanigans, which itself is of some interest for me (5). One would expect scum to jump on such an easy target. Moving onto his actual content, I am struck again by the oddness of his defense of MMT and vote on him (6), (7). While the latter post is clearly framed as a joke, I cannot see a town player putting a player he just rescued into jeopardy for a laugh. It's counter-intuitive and bizarre behavior, made worse by his unvote after pressure is put onto him (8). I won't go into much detail about the defense itself, except that I find it sorely lacking. Gamer never provides a reason why he thinks MMT's call for posting is necessary and seems content leaving the issue ambiguous despite my questions. When he is finally forced to make a case, Gamer turns to Diqnol, (8) who at this point has already been the subject of several votes. The case is weak, at best, and reads as fabricated at worst. He doesn't keep pressure up on Diqnol or follow his suspicions in any real way and instead opts to defend himself (9), (10). I don't like either of these posts and it tells me that his desire for self-preservation is stronger than his desire to find scum. Overall, I would consider Gamer a very real threat. Probably moreso than I currently see Diqnol. ##unvote while I mull things over for a moment.
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Before I go mull, who is going to be here for the next few hours? As previously mentioned, we aren't under immediate threat of deadline, but I dislike keeping matters unresolved while the Sword of Damocles hangs perilously over our heads.
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Rarity posted:Gamer, I reckon that you're not scum, you're just bad at mafia. Rarity, would you do me the immense kindness of explaining your feelings on Gamer, particular why you think he is "not scum [just] bad at mafia?" It has been a while since you made this post, but based on your response to BottleKnight more recently (1), I get the sense you still feel this way. How do you feel about his "white noise posting" that he relied on for the early part of the game, and how do you view his case on Diqnol. For myself, it reads as a very weak contribution that seems more motivated by convenience than actual feeling.
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merk posted:Don't really know. Is there a case that I can read? Based on the case above, what do you think of Gamer? Also, can you remind me of your thoughts on MMT? My quick scan through your post history didn't pick up anything.
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I am an elaborate one-sided conversation. Diqnol, I assume you are still here. What do you think of the following players:
Your thoughts on these players (as well as anyone else really) are greatly appreciated. merk posted:I didn't read the gamer case yet beyond a glance. There's one post of his I saw that I didn't like. Au revoir, mon ami.
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fiery_valkyrie posted:Sorry, I was out but I'm here now. Catching up. Hm. Maybe I need to reread. I definitely got a sense of spite and vindictiveness when reading his posts on pages 21-23. His more recent content is much nicer, but I distinctly remember a very nasty string of posts that just rubbed me the wrong way.
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CCKeane posted:Whaaaaaaaaaaaa Can you elaborate your feelings on this please?
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CCKeane posted:I thought you were supposed to be David Foster Wallace, not Chuck Palahniuk! I am Jack's growing loss of identity.
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CCKeane posted:No! But I asked so nicely!
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BottleKnight posted:I am getting confused. When you say MMT you mean TMM right? We should probably just call him Madman. Yes, my mistake. I always forget which way the letters go. MMT, TMM, MTM. Really, it is all the same to me. GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Still not done re-reading. Page 20 now. Thank you for this. I don't think I'll vote Diqnol today. There are too many doubts forming in my head. Let's try ##vote: Gamer instead.
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QuoProQuid posted:Yes, my mistake. I always forget which way the letters go. MMT, TMM, MTM. Really, it is all the same to me. MAFIA EDIT: My feelings on the players listed: Rarity - Suspicious. Several posts from her look impressive, but fall apart upon closer inspection. Disagree with her on several points. Hal - Pinged my gut at one point, but I largely agree that he could go either way. Lurky and unthreatening for the time being. Gamer - See above post TMM - Stood out to me early in the game as a suspicious character but has since faded a bit. I am not sure whether this sense is more because he is less active or because his most recent posting has seemed much more genuine. His lurker callout, in particular, read as ingenuine and pointless.
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