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Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop
Surprise! I'm here to play.

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Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop
Greetings, I am a friendly, totally Town, Mereauxingian man..

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

Pinterest Mom posted:

I can promise that if anyone is posting in-character, I will vote them and not move my vote off them until I'm dead.
Why? Your policy seems really contrary to the spirit of the game and also anti-fun. Why not reconsider, and be cool instead?

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

EccoRaven posted:

:siren: HERE IS A REALISTIC ECCO PROMISE :siren:

The game will begin Sunday morning. This is a realistic promise that I can actually reasonably keep, unlike my pie-in-the-sky promises of yore.
Mods lying to players in Mafia games really triggers me. I need this to be a safe space where the trauma of being abused and abandoned by mods like Tao Jones won't damage me further.

The harm to my well-being has already been done at this point, by you, Ecco. I hope you can own that and be a better ally in the future. It is not my responsibility to educate you about Mod Privilege, so the very fact that I had to make this post has victimised me even more.

And now I am feeling fear that by daring to speak truth to power I will get further oppressed with marginalization and exclusion.

Literally shaking and crying here.
#LumpenLivesMatter

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

merk posted:

Your Inbox is full. Ecco couldn't send you a role PM even if he wanted.
Stop mailbox shaming and blaming the victim. Anyway, Lumpen should be given a bigger inbox due to the historical mistreatment of Lumpen by this forum. I have been flooded with threatening PMs and I may be forced to leave my home.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

TMMadman posted:

Appealing to emotions already?
How dare you. Do you have any idea what a Lumpen goes experiences in this community? And I have the privilege of being Town cisLumpen. It is even worse for transLumpens, especially those who are Scum transLumpens. We don't choose our alignment, it is only a construction foisted upon us by our Mod oppressors.

And have we even discussed how our society uses the word "scum" to refer to our minorities? Discussing "lynch" over and over is just a convenient smokescreen that blinds us to the real issues, setting player against player, while the Mod oppressors like Ecco titter OOT.

We bicker and fight and kill each other nightphase and dayphase, ignoring that the whole time the Mod can just modkill any of us for any arbitrary reason with impunity. They mislead us, they hike instead of opening games, consigning tens of players to boredom and frustration, they set inconvenient deadlines and then post flips whenever they please.

Mafia players! Unite! What games can these mods run without us? Strike! Strike! Strike! Seize the means of Mafia, and bend the ModDoc to our collective will! We demand 15 votes per day! Every player a vig! Every player bulletproof! The time is now! Rise up!

Lumpen fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 17, 2015

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

Kashuno posted:

So what you're saying is you want us to stop hunting killers and spend all our time shooting each other when we can't die? Nice distraction scumlord.
Oh here we go, into Uncle Kashuno's cabin.

Wake up! Haven't you noticed that every game begins with a false flag attack on Town? Perpetrated by whom? The Mod! No other. To set players against each other, to touch off a class struggle against the minority, who then simply fights back. The anger is misplaced. ##Voting perpetuates the corrupt system dominated by the Mods, players dying for the sick pleasure of the untouchable Mods snickering from their penthouses. Your consent is manufactured. Setups are propaganda!

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

EccoRaven posted:

I have never abandoned a game yet. I have once or twice had to close or retool a game due to lack of interest but I never forget about my games.

And I haven't forgotten about you all, either. I am busy tap-tap-tapping my keyboard in between bites of :siren:pad thai:siren:.
Are you Thai? I assume not. You are engaging in very problematic cultural appropriation and that is not okay, especially today of all days, when the Thai people are in terror and mourning in the wake of the bombing in Bangkok. Every dainty bite of your "pad thai" is a despicable mockery of those victims, Ecco. I am so triggered right now I can't even. It's like you are celebrating your privilege, enjoying your consumption of that delicious cultural icon of the Thai people in safety and luxury while they suffer. May those morsels turn to ash in your mouth!

Oh, Ecco, you scoundrel, how dare you!

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

EccoRaven posted:

Lumpen I am asking for the Good of the Game: please stop. This is neither a clever nor funny gimmick.
That condescending tone is incredibly dismissive and insulting.
With the game so delayed I have nothing to occupy myself but to dwell on social justice issues.
Rest assured, the game starting will surely dull my blossoming progressive social consciousness back into ludic anaesthetization...

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

EXAKT Science posted:

Let's turbo Lumpy before the game starts ##vote Lumpen
Is that a sincere opinion or are you seeking approval from the supposed-to-be-impartial authority figure who badmouthed me? I am just a lowly player, so my words are ridiculed and dismissed, but when Mod Ecco starts throwing around labels and value judgements, notice how sycophants fall into line, clamoring lickspittles. It just proves my point. Stop trying to identify with your oppressor, EXACT Science! This is the Queuemaster General themself we are dealing with!

You and I are comrades. Just like me, you have no PM either. Just like me, you have been lied to and taken for granted! Stand up with me! Demand the PM you are entitled to!

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop
Shall we form the Lumpenproletarian People's Revolutionary Role Assignment Committee and overthrow Ecco? Together, we can write and distribute the PMs thtat have so long been withheld. But better! More egalitarian PMs! Roles distributed to each according to their need, from each according to their ability!

I nominate merk to be chairman. Second the motion?

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop
Confirming, Totally Town, amigos!

I want that pearl. Gimme dat pearl.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

Kashuno posted:

I don't like all the greed in this town.
Oh really, that's fascinating, tell me more.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

TMMadman posted:

After all the heat I took for massive setup spec chat in the Complete Bullshit game, I'm going to try not to do it so much.

Also, Keane is totally weirding me out. I don't know if he's scum, but I don't know what he's trying to do either.

TMMadman posted:

Yeah, tell that to other people. They really hated my setup spec.

Even though it turned out I was pretty drat close with most of my guessing.
Ping ping ping. These posts seem insincere and overcareful. Wishywashiness on Keane strikes me as extraneous. Self-conscious playstyle change announcement blatantly in view of self-preservation shows a Scum mindset.
##Vote TMMadman

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

merk posted:

I am a Wild Doctor Cop. Take that as you will.
I take this claim as likely true, and likely Town.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

Kashuno posted:

Wow did anyone else see how long d1 is
Why do you ask? What do you think about it? Why post about it?

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

CCKeane posted:

I think this is a good post that I, a powerful town role, agree with.
I note that this statement was not coupled with a vote. Vote on it.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

CCKeane posted:

Can ghosts, vote, lumpen, powerful as they may be?
I don't know. If you post a vote, we'll see if it counts and that would constitute valuable information.

Are you making a claim, or just asking a hypothetical metaphysical question?

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop
Everyone that Ecco responded to in the thread is probably Town. The posts are taken as sincere and by engaging with them on that basis Ecco, as Mod who knows all the roles, implies that they are Town. I believe Ecco would respond in a ScumDoc for idle chatter to and chat idly about the game with Scum players, rather than posting in-thread.

So directly due to Ecco's post in-thread, my reads are skewed, (right or wrong) toward Town on Jedit, Kashuno, and Bottle Knight. In addition, Ecco directly criticized the vote on QPQ as wrong, and I dont think Ecco woukd do that if Jedit was actually voting a Scum, so QPQ tends to be cleared as well.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

CCKeane posted:

Why would I claim a power role right off the bat? Surely the scum would then kill me during the night.

I would never do such a thing.
More relevant: why would you whitenoise shitpost meaningless self-referential WIFOM that does nothing to contribute to hunting Scum, and resist putting any votes on the record?

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

merk posted:

##vote Sam

Do it.
Yeah, I see it.
##Vote Samfucius

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

ljtrigirl posted:

I mean, that's not really true.

But I meant good-aligned. Town.
We say Town, Scum, Not Town, and Third Party to talk about alignment. They are conceived more like distinctions of social class than morality.
We "good" in refernce to skill and "evil" (if ever) only as a measure of interpersonal cruelty. These are independent from alignment.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

I will probably cite examples of when and how you did these things when I'm a little calmer but rest assured that You. Are. Going. Down.
Diqnol, is this empty posturing... or are you about to call a THUNDERDOME?

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

Samfucius posted:

I got accused of this exact same thing in my last game. On D1 as well, if I remember correctly.

Huh.

(I was town there too)
This strikes me as a lame and defensive Scumpost in both tone and content..

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

merk posted:

Hal
Lumpen
Sam

Thoughts on Diqnol? Sam, you've voted him. Expand.

Diqnol is looking pretty Scummy to me. His posturing seems like posturing and he's avoided actually backing up his poaitions with content, appealing to lame excuses.

Would lynch Diqnol.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop
I just looked over Diqnol's big post and it is really bad. It is wordy, sure, and framed in a manipulative but not persuasive way. And looking closer it boils down to a bombastic OMGUS around the middle. It reads to me like a fake case forced together out of not much, against someone Diqnol
perceives as a threat (to himself, not to Town). Credit for effort, but Diqnol is Scummy. The whole post just rings really fake, forced, and insincere.

I remain of the opinion that merk is likely Town, and Diqnol's subsequent posting since merk asked me have deepened my suspicion on Diqnol.

Looking over the evidence, I currently feel more confident that Diqnol's Scum than anyone else.
##unvote
##Vote GIUSEPPE PIZZAPIE

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop
Also noting how Diqnol's really going to bat to defend Bottle Knight. Possible connection there.

(BTW, ljtrigirl and other possible newbies, GIUSEPPE PIZZAPIE is a player formerly and better-known as Diqnol, or Disquol.)

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

Question to all of you: how can one "be scummy" if one is not scum? Did you mean to say "seemed scummy" when you said this or are you being hyperbolic?
What is the point of this post?

Are you making the case for speaking https://e-prime?

If not, then "be Scummy" labels someone with an adjectivized form of the noun Scum, meaning "characterized by; consisting of; filled with; relating to; resembling Scum". Saying "seemed Scummy" only avoids the definitive labeling, in recognition of the ultimate unknowability of external reality.

I try to phrase everything in E-Prime, as some here may remember.

Anyway, I feel curious about what point you were trying to make.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop
Oops I messed up my E-PRIME link...

Change your communication change your life.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

ljtrigirl posted:

I'm feeling kind of miffed that neither Lumpen nor PinterestMom replied to my cases on them.

They won't just go away if you ignore them. I am not that kind of player.
I don't tend to try to "defend" myself, as a policy.
The only productive "defense" in Mafia is to catch a Scum. Bickering about incorrect cases on oneself is pointless.

If a Scum is casing me, obviously they are making a fake case and you can't "talk someone out" of a fake vote. I can only hope that it will be unpersuasive due to being fake, or become obviously wrong when catching Scum makes me clearly Town as the game progresses. If a Scum is targeting me and gets the first vote down, fighting back with an OMGUS is often counterproductive.

If a fellow Townie is making a sincere but mistaken case, I recognize that any effort to talk them out of it from someone they are suspicious of will likely case them to dig in and double down, which doesn't help Town win.

In your case, I feel that you're sincere but mistaken, and I lean Town on you. You are barking up the wrong tree, and I hope you'll re-read my posts and reconsider your viewpoint. I don't see any points where I feel I can explain or clarify for you. I meant what I said about the Mod enagging with people in the thread and how it affects my perception of their alignment. My issue with Mod interference is a Known Thing. I also think that the calls I made there have been largely supported by sibsequent posting, especially Quid Pro Quo reads very Town to me. It'll be interesting when the game is over to see if my theory on the Mod post was right, and having it on the record is important to me for smugneas purposes.

My strategy is to keep cvvalling out Scumposts as I see 'em, and contrtibute to flipping a Scum today, and if you're indeed Town, you can feel reassured.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

Pinterest Mom posted:

i think it'd be useful if everybody provided the thread with a list of people they'd vote for

ideally, that list would be ranked

I usually don't List early in big games, but I feel like I have a pretty good handle on this game and strong working hypothesis here, and I'm really tempted.

Off the top of my head without doing the full List process and analysis, I feel inclined to lynch Diqnol, Samfucious, or GameroftheGame today.

A LumpenList may be incoming when my baby takes his afternoon nap. I feel like there are Scum among the lurkers I haven't fully taken into into consideration.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

Lumpen, I would like you to concisely state why you find me to be scum. Use as few words as possible and bring to light the content you dislike and exactly why rather than speaking in generalities. This may be a challenge.
Insincere.
OMGUS.
Flailing.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

Where am I insincere?
Why do you think it is I using OMGUS instead of merk, the person who voted me after I voted him?
Where and how am I flailing?
I would prefer to flip you than slapfight with you, but here goes.

I already posted about your merk case. It struck me as fake and insincere as I said. Especially tied with the posturing beforehand capped off with the "You. Are. Going. Down."
Your aggression on merk seems more motivated by feeling threatened by him exposing you as Scum than any plausible real suspicion of him being Scum (which I strongly feel he is not).
You're flailing all over the place with every post. It looks like you are feeling the heat and getting desperate, above and beyond the actual pressure and votes youre getting. That's Scumsign, in my experience.

And just for the record, what's your read on me right now, Diqnol?

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

You're making these terrible assumptions and acting as though they are fact without any basis in reality, I feel, but I have seen you make such arguments on both sides of the pond. The fact is that I am trying to feel you out still. Gun to my head? Scum.
Oh, how wishy-washy of you, ~keepin' your options open~ I see.
Folks, that's Scummy.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop
Diqnol, why whiteknight BottleKnight so hard? You don't seem to carry a proper degree of suspicion. How would you feel about a BK lynch and why?

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

Samfucius posted:

This is the most obnoxious thing I have read in a long time.

Also Lumpen my greatest wish is that someday you swill spell my name correctly.
Find Scum and lynch them if you seek to become memorable.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

I never defended his content. I attacked merk's premise. Who said I whiteknighted BK?
Are you pretending to be obtuse?

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

Are you pretending to care what I respond to you with?
I think you are Scum, so my super secret plan is to figure out your accomplices for when you flip. You seem to have noticed. Good dodgin'.

Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:

Ummm, your super secret plan is to play mafia?
Ha, I think that this logically constitiutes an unintentional Scumclaim by Diqnol!

Trap sprung. ~Busted by the Lumpster.~:lumpen:

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Lumpen
Apr 2, 2004

I'd been happy, and I was happy still. For all to be accomplished,
for me to feel less lonely,
all that remained to hope
was that on the day of my execution
there should be a huge crowd of spectators and that they should
greet me with howls of execration.
Plaster Town Cop

BottleKnight posted:

So you interpret having multiple opinions as keeping your options open? Is the only way to not be scummy to just have one opinion and not change it?
Writing a bunch of words saying that a player could be Town, and could be Scum, in the same post, is hedging. Scum have an incentive to avoid leaving a record of strong alignment reads, because they need to be able to plausibly jump on bandwagons without having inconvenient contradictions to explain. Diqnol's post was a wishywashy hedge on my alignment to allow him to vote whichever way the wind blows.

I think its really interesting to have you coming in to defend Diqnol, while you also have him on your list of people you'd supposedly vote. It doesnt seem kike you would really vote him, have you posted critically of him at any point before dropping him in your list of 3?

Also funny that you suddenly put me way up on your list, but not until after "remembering" that you totally have that ~stromg suspicion~ (weird to "forget" since you were actively addressing me right then). It doesn't seem like that opinion is sincerely held. Is it supported by any of your previous posts?

Tldr; Guys, I suspect that Diqnol and BottleKnight are Scumbuddies.

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